Lizardon Patch notes 1.10

[Strider755]

So, does anyone know what changes, if any, Charizard received in the latest patch?

Update:

This is what we know so far:

• Forward Tilt
  • Sweetspot damage increased 10% → 11%
  • One of three sourspot hitboxes is now a 'sweetspot'
• Down Tilt windbox added that pushes opponents inwards (pre-animation modifier frames 6-9)
• B-air landing lag reduced by 3 frames, from 36 -> 33.
• D-throw endlag reduced, from 72 frames -> 70.
  

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll check and see what I find.

 

[RadianB]

Only change I can find so far is that Forward Tilt tipper does 1% more damage. Before it use to do 10% now it does 11%. Everything else seems the same.

 

[Steeler]

sweetspot ftilt now does 11% instead of 10%

rip every other character

greninja'd

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Someone told me fair got landing lag reduced but I am 100% sure this is placebo and it was the changes from before.

 

[Steeler]

Someone told me fair got landing lag reduced but I am 100% sure this is placebo and it was the changes from before.

fair landing lag has never been changed

if they didn't cut it by 10+ frames it'd still be ****, and we all know that's not the case

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Reddit is saying our Dtilt got buffed and is faster, but I am pretty sure this is people not knowing it has IASA frames.

 

[AetherStorm]

Woah, does nair seem different to anyone? Faster/less lag/more range?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

hello friends

 

[RadianB]

Charizard's changes:
http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/lizardon.html

I have no idea what any of it means.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

It says that ftilt got a buff, 2 11% hitboxes on top of the stack meaning it's harder to sourspot.

The sourspot hitboxes got buffed bkb

Not sure what the other is, I know it's dtilt, but what specifically is it? A windbox? I will find out.

 

[RadianB]

It says that ftilt got a buff, 2 11% hitboxes on top of the stack meaning it's harder to sourspot.

The sourspot hitboxes got buffed bkb

Not sure what the other is, I know it's dtilt, but what specifically is it? A windbox? I will find out.

Just tested it, Down Tilt no longer whiffs at point blank. This is amazing.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I wasn't even aware it did that. It's probably a windbox then.

Frame 7-9 windbox 0%, angle 30 (EXTREMELY UNUSUAL ANGLE? usually sakurai angle is used which makes me question if this is actually a windbox) WBK 72 KBG 100

 

[Steeler]

Yep, it is a windbox on frame 6. Try it on Sheik at point blank range, in slow motion you can see her get shifted a bit back before the hitbox comes out.

windbox might not even be the technically correct term for this, it really is just a "hitbox" that nudges them back a small bit. no hitstun or anything. at 999% it still just nudges them back that same distance. i don't think i've ever seen something like this in a move. it's really nice though.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

furamu 7 actually

Edit: or at least my capture card says frame 7 idk I'll look into it later

 

[Steeler]

dantarion's data says 6

cool thing is it lasts until frame 9 when the hitbox comes out, so in unusual instances where their spotdodge or whatever invincibility runs out on, say, frame 8 of dtilt, they will still get that push back

 

[KuroganeHammer]

yeah but there's a frame speed modifier on it that reduces it by a frame

thats why dtilt hits on frame 10 and not frame 11

 

[Dudde]

D-Tilt doesnt whiff anymore? Thank you daddy. Now I'll just have to re-train myself to use down tilt up close now.

 

[Steeler]

good point

it's frame 9 with that speed buff doe

another thing is that one of the 3 sourspot hitboxes on ftilt got changed into a sweetspot

 

[Davregis]

buffs every patch here we goooooo

in a year we'll be the only character played in tournaments and they'll call it 21xx

 

[Delzethin]

I'm hearing there's a new hitbox on dsmash that comes out on Frame 6!?

 

[dangeraaron10]

Yep! It doesn't whiff at point blank.

A little something is better than nothing, and a lot better than nerfs of any kind.

*slurps it up*

 

[Steeler]

That's a mistake on @Shaya 's part, it's dtilt's new windbox NOT dsmash

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah so Dtilt got buffed which is very nice.

Ftilt I guess helps, I don't use it a lot myself sorry!

 

[Steeler]

not sure what the difference is compared to before, but a sweet ftilt on sheik near the FD edge starts giving you lightning and a KO at 96% or so. this is in training mode, so no freshness bonus and no rage.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

not sure what the difference is compared to before, but a sweet ftilt on sheik near the FD edge starts giving you lightning and a KO at 96% or so. this is in training mode, so no freshness bonus and no rage.

interesting, is this an untapped KO move potentially?

 

[Steeler]

interesting, is this an untapped KO move potentially?

it was a pretty good KO move before when trying to read a ledge option, the damage buffs improves it a tad.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

it was a pretty good KO move before when trying to read a ledge option, the damage buffs improves it a tad.

Hmm, gonna try to implement this a little more.

 

[Leety]

Does anybody have a version in 1.9/1.8 to try this.

The jab, feels different. I was a huge fan in my style to frame-lock my opponent into a grab with Jab 2, but it feels like it pushes the opponent away now and I can't seem to do that anymore. Instead, I have rely on a dash grab at certain percents to comfirm grab which feels a little odd.

Meanwhile, jab 1 feels like it gravitates my opponent closer in the same way that jab 2 use to do and confirm a standing grab like that. In certain cases, I could even jab once, and reset the jab combo with proper spacing and reading.

Maybe a minor tweek? Debatable a buff to give us more variety in our neutral game? I can't tell :l

 

[Melonfrog]

What is a Windbox and Sakurai angle?

 

[-LzR-]

Can you add everything confirmed to the OP for easy reading? I would prefer to avoid spreading any rumors again.

 

[Strider755]

Can you add everything confirmed to the OP for easy reading? I would prefer to avoid spreading any rumors again.

Will do.

 

[Charey]

What is a Windbox and Sakurai angle?

A windbox is a move that pushes you, like FLUDD or Gust Bellows. Sakurai angle is a move that has different launch angle if you are at high% or in the air, programmed as a 361 degree angle.

 

[Steeler]

The only changes to Charizard in this patch are 1% more to ftilt sweetspot, one of the ftilt sourspots becoming part of the sweetspot, and the dtilt windbox. The only other possible changes are to IASA timings.

 

[TailLover]

Nice to see some more buffs even if they are minor! I wonder if we did get any IASA buffs as well, I have no access to a console right now let alone two to test but hopefully there's something, most likely not though...

 

[Steeler]

Charizard's b-air landing lag reduced by 3 frames, from 36 -> 33.

Charizard's d-throw endlag reduced, from 72 -> 70.

the world will know fear

 

[TailLover]

Charizard's b-air landing lag reduced by 3 frames, from 36 -> 33.

Charizard's d-throw endlag reduced, from 72 -> 70.

the world will know fear

although I love bair buffs the 3 frames isn't going to do too much, nice to see it's a bit safer now.

Dthrow tho, 2 frames seems so minor but this might do huge things for allowing Zard to set up true 50/50's or even combos, can't test right now but who knows what the future will hold.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Charizard's b-air landing lag reduced by 3 frames, from 36 -> 33.

Charizard's d-throw endlag reduced, from 72 -> 70.

the world will know fear

I was just about to post this, l0l

Nice to see some more buffs even if they are minor! I wonder if we did get any IASA buffs as well, I have no access to a console right now let alone two to test but hopefully there's something, most likely not though...

Are you the guy on GameFAQS and Reddit who wants to have a tail irl?

 

[EvilPinkamina]

/u/ILoveTails? Is that you?

Also, how much of an effect is 2 frames on dthrow? I've noticed its a little easier to get fairs off against CPU, but does it really effect PvP?

 

[Pi Aaa]

Just played at a weekly tournament. In one of my games dtilt's windbox sent Marth flying 2/3rds across Battlefield without dtilt actually hitting him. We stood there for ten seconds wondering what the heck happened.

windboxes are wacky and jank yo