Lucario in 4 player, arguement amongst group.

[Srsly?]

Hey guys, i'm not a Lucario specialist and I have a bit of an issue amongst my group of friends.

In our game club we regularly play SSBB, and we constantly have 4 way matches. Recently within the last two weeks, one of the people in my group switched to maining Lucario, and there was already a Lucario player in the group.

For the purpose of hurting nobodies feelings were going to give these people fake names.
Nathan, Joe, Billy, Bob
Nathan mains G&W, not too important to this issue, this is me.
Joe is a guy that mains Olimar and Ike.
Billy mains Lucario.
Bob is the guy that recently switched to maining Lucario.

Joe already had a tiff with thinking Lucario was overpowered before Bob switched.
After Bob started maining Lucario, Joe complains much more about Lucario camping with Aura Sphere. Joe defines that charging the sphere away from the fray to full power, then shielding, then going back into the fight, is camping. Also note that this is with stages such as BF, FD, smashville, Yoshi's Island, the usual starter clean stages.

What can I tell Joe to make him realize that he is mistaken. Educated answers need only be replied.

 

[xxmoosexx]

Really, just get someone EVEN BETTER,(the best), at camping and really show'em what camping is.....

I'd choose one such as Falco)easy to camp with), olimar, Snake, or one of the type, myabe even Link or ToonLink if your good at it....

Dont tell him anything, SHOW him his mistake.

 

[manhunter098]

The Olimar is complaining about camping?

 

[Scinn]

Lucario is not overpowered he gains strength with higher percentage ( the more he is hit the stronger ) so try to kill him fast. No that is not camping that's just using a tactic. Camping is constantly using the same move over and over again like spamming the aura sphere then when the enemy get's close smashes opponent back and spam's some more or roll doge's to other side of stage. It's realy hard to camp with lucario correctly (if your a total scrub) i doubt he even knows what camping is from the way it sounds.

i suggest showing him what camping is like with falco,R.O.B.,snake,wolf,link,toonlink,samus. Better yet go look up Planking thats the worst type of camping i hope this help's.

 

[Alus]

The Olimar is complaining about camping?

This...over and over and over again.

 

[phi1ny3]

Olimar shouldn't be complaining about AS, he has options (pikmin cancels AS regardless of how charged it is, whistle has SA frames if you feel inclined to take the damage for some odd reason, and PS (perfect shield) helps against any projectile period).

 

[TK Wolf]

It's a little campy, sure. But since when is camping unfair? Brawl is a campy game for most characters. Also, 4 player matches probably reward camping more than any other mode does.

But anyway, if Joe has such a problem with aurasphere, he should keep an eye on the Lucarios and think ahead, instead of throwing out unsafe attacks. :D

 

[David Mathis]

oh, thats kinda funny.

well guys, I happen to be that "olimar that is complaining" and let me get my side in on this if were gonna turn this into a discussion.

first of all. I am (sorry to say, i dont enjoy being arrogant) clearly the best player, in the game club. you have to admit that, so that being, does not make me correct all the time, which im not trying to say. But, ive been playing this game since the midnight release, and i know camping when i see it.

now, for explaination on 4 player matches.
you have an olimar, GaW, and 2 lucarios one being very inexperienced and hugs that b button a lot. (lol)
lets say... aprox. 60% of the match from start to finish, you dont see a moment where a big aurura sphere isnt gliding across the screen from random directions.
and about 3-4 of your 5 lives, are taken by the constant aurura sphere. (leaving the last life for a sitting fully charge GaW bucket full of aurura, or hammerz)

the constant dodging. of the same move. its not as bad with only one lucario who is decently experienced because you yourself arent to constant with it in early stages of matches (aside from when you have a lot of damage, and you know the sphere does a lot of damage when you have high damage, then thats kinda campy)

but the arguement here is, the disliking of 2 lucarios in 1 4p match, and whether or not it is camping. and the plain, clear, and totally obvious answer to that question is. Yes, it is.

now for 1v1 matches. as said up above the use of rolling/grabbing and aurua sphere in defense when you are close to being killed. that is campy. when you do it a lot. and just because you shoot 3-4 spheres in a row, and then go do 1 melee attack, and then return to your 3-4 shots, that doesnt make it not campy.

so yeah. theres my two cents.

(speaking of cents, you know theyre coming out with like i think 4 or 5 new designed pennies? i was like ZOMG MOAR MONAYZ?!?)

 

[TK Wolf]

If he wins by doing it, he's playing better than you are.

I'm not trying to sound rude, but that's how it goes for fighters. There's no "best player fights via melee" rule in the game. It's whoever damages while not getting damaged. If someone is effectively camping you, then you can either try to make them approach you by camping better, or you can carefully approach them.

As previously stated, a single pikmin will cancel out any aurasphere. Olimar has other tools that makes life a little tough on Lucario. Overall, Olimar has a slight advantage. Check the matchup threads here and learn how to fight against a Lucario, then show him how it's done.

 

[Timbers]

i think you guys are forgetting this is a 4player match and therefore a FREE-FOR-ALL and therefore ANYTHING GOES and therefore have fun.

writing novels about being upset over peeps who don't share the same definition of fun as you (i.e. running in head first) isn't the greatest way to experience your preferred gaming style.

If he enjoys camping, what you gonna do 'bout it, kick him outta your gameclub? lol.

also I love Wuffpup.

 

[Kitamerby]

I wanna fly out to this club, pick Snake/MK/Pit/Sonic, and just camp/plank/stall under the stage for the entire match until I win just to see you guys squirm.

It'll be funny.

But yeah, if he camps, just camp back. You're Olimar.

 

[TK Wolf]

also I love Wuffpup.

Grrrrrrruff!
*ignores the thread and tackle-hugs Timbers* :3

 

[Scinn]

Am I the only lucario player that is just fine and thinks olimar is meant to camp no big deal it's freakin 4 player matches. Timbers please stop showing your sig it's very disturbing.

Just camp back with olimar or your obviously using him wrong.

EDIT: @David: stop complaining everybody loses sometime.

 

[Vionce]

well the easiest way to stop camping would be to just go after him with marth. f-air beats AS at all % levels (at least i'm pretty sure, correct me if i'm wrong)

anyway, leaving the **** to charge AS is hardly camping, camping would be to charge, fire, charge, fire, charge, fire, run, charge, fire, run etc.

 

[David Mathis]

its kinda funny how almost ALL of you, have a little lucario icon on your name.
meaning youre probably all the same
i never lose to this lucario kid 1v1. i do use olimar right, and i do not camp with him.
only totally nooby players with oli camp. i use every one of his moves evenly.

so believe it or not, not all olimar players are campy.

so stfu with that nooby lucario ****, your b button fails you in 1v1s.

 

[Kitamerby]

its kinda funny how almost ALL of you, have a little lucario icon on your name.
meaning youre probably all the same
i never lose to this lucario kid 1v1. i do use olimar right, and i do not camp with him.
only totally nooby players with oli camp. i use every one of his moves evenly.

so believe it or not, not all olimar players are campy.

so stfu with that nooby lucario ****, your b button fails you in 1v1s.

It would make sense that we're all Lucario mains, considering that this board is sorta, yanno... dedicated to the lovable canine and stuff.

Also, I'm pretty sure that camping with Olimar is pretty common, usually because it kinda works.

Also, if he's trying to camp Olimar directly, he's doing it wrong. What he should be doing is grabbing you, tossing you offstage, and THEN either spamming fair or aura sphere followed by an edgehog to eat your jump and gimp you. Then he should start charging an aura sphere again to use later during your landing frames or out of a string or to deter you from one of your "approaches."

i use every one of his moves evenly.

That's a really silly way to look at the game. Each character has different strengths and weaknesses, and they each have good moves and bad moves (Unless their name is Meta Knight, of course). Good moves are generally safe moves and/or moves that serve some purpose very well (such as Olimar's smashes). Bad moves are generally unsafe moves whose usefulness is either eclipsed by another move's use (such as Olimar's ftilt vs. his fsmash), or are just plain bad at the job they were intended for (like Olimar's Up B both as an attack and as a recovery).



Also, an Olimar that doesn't camp and attempts to use all his moves I'd imagine would be easy prey to a Lucario, though, so long as the Lucario knows what moves to spam (Hint: it's not Aura Sphere). He could in theory just fair his way through Olimar's pitiful priority and then stomp the hell out of the little bugger, followed by a quick edgehog gimp.


Or he could just sit there, let you approach, fsmash you away, sit there, let you approach, fsmash you away ad infinitum until you either die or he gets bored and then bthrows you offstage followed by a quick edgehog gimp.

 

[Xiahou Dun]

only totally nooby players with oli camp. i use every one of his moves evenly.

Many exceptionally good Olimars are extremely campy. And believe it or not camping has nothing to do with the quantity or variety of moves used.

 

[Scinn]

its kinda funny how almost ALL of you, have a little lucario icon on your name.
meaning youre probably all the same
so stfu with that nooby lucario ****, your b button fails you in 1v1s.

you should try being nicer to us we are the people trying to help you.......i'm just sayin.
i did not mean anything i said in a mean way i was just trying to help but i'm bad at it rofl. god take our advice or don't.

EDIT:i'm no noob and use quote so we know who your talkin to.

 

[XavantTheEnigma]

I smell an elitist who needs some crackers with his whine!
Ohoho~

 

[Scinn]

Edit: never mind what i posted here

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

Words words words
only totally nooby players with oli camp. i use every one of his moves evenly.
Words words words

You're dumb.

 

[Timbers]

Grrrrrrruff!
*ignores the thread and tackle-hugs Timbers* :3

/tackle-hugs wuffpup back

NOT LETTING GO, EITHER

its kinda funny how almost ALL of you, have a little lucario icon on your name.
meaning youre probably all the same
i never lose to this lucario kid 1v1. i do use olimar right, and i do not camp with him.
only totally nooby players with oli camp. i use every one of his moves evenly.

so believe it or not, not all olimar players are campy.

so stfu with that nooby lucario ****, your b button fails you in 1v1s.

this is a lucario board

we're all the same, but not in the sense you're probably thinking of.

he never said he was evenly matched with you or is better than you or whatever, he just said that he wants to get you to realize that lucario is a trashy camp character and most can get through his shenanigans very easily.

You're probably not very good yourself

Thanks for proving mine, and this thread's point. Luc's aurasphere is trash for camp against a good percent of the roster. If you find Luc's camping effective so much to complain about it on the internet, you either A) play all your matches with an honor code or B) never played against the top half of the tier list ever.

You're dumb.

 

[Scinn]

You're dumb.

/

this is a lucario board

we're all the same, but not in the sense you're probably thinking of.

he never said he was evenly matched with you or is better than you or whatever, he just said that he wants to get you to realize that lucario is a trashy camp character and most can get through his shenanigans very easily.

You're probably not very good yourself

Thanks for proving mine, and this thread's point. Luc's aurasphere is trash for camp against a good percent of the roster. If you find Luc's camping effective so much to complain about it on the internet, you either A) play all your matches with an honor code or B) never played against the top half of the tier list ever.

yeah i'm gonna have to agree with both of em your just a big whiner if you can't beat lucario with olimar you=fail so stop *****ing you nooby olimar player.

(i've obiously had enough bull**** today)

 

[XavantTheEnigma]

With that said "Srsly?" needs to hang out with new players. No fun hanging around somebody who will b*tch and complain!