phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Captain Falcon
Matchup:
65:35
General info:
falcons bair is a great kill move, same killing power as ganons and it autocancells like our upair
our uair can also kill
utilt is amazing at killing and will beat out lucarios fair, but its laggy..
knee of course
falcon punch of course
smashes are meh
down air kills surprisingly well when you hit with falcons chest
lucarios down air is just aggravating
What to avoid:
Falcons got it hard aganist lucario here. Lucario aerial mocer are good but we are faster so watch out for uair and bair. We have almost nothing to follow up after a grab except maybe side-b or up-b.
The normal fair to dair lucario string is good and we have only have utilt to try to counter it.
Lucario is pretty light though so we can kill at medium-low percents with a dsmash(not very recommended) or a bair or uair offstage.
Nice use of aura sphere can get to us though >.
For stages i think anything acn be good except for BF. FD can work ok i guess.
I don't have that much of matchup experience against Lucario so I'll just give one advice :
the disjointed hitbox of Falcon's Utilt screws Lucario's recovery all day.
You'll have a hard time if you're aiming the ledge horizontally or even trying to get directly back on the stage.
You can of course recover from below but then you're a perfect target for a FF Fair/Uair or even a stage-spiking Bair.
I'm pretty sure Lucario has the tools to deal with this situation, especially on the stages where you can wall cling but be careful.
Oh and a Falcon who's approaching you with a RAR'd Bair is clearly it doing wrong and you'll **** him even without any matchup experience.
How to win:
Falcon is lighter than Ganon, but falls faster, so... that means you can juggle him pretty badly and kill him earlier. Camping is harder because he's so fast. The safest air attack he can use to approach is his BAir, even then it should be plenty obvious and not really safe for him. Even if Falcons perfect the knee you will unlikely get hit by its sweetspot if you space well. Falcon Kick has ok priority, so watch out for it and he'll be probably using it to punish your rolls.
The ol' Capt's priority sucks though and you have the Aura, he might just run into one of your attacks when he is attacking.
Falcon's Jab is surprisingly good, has decent priority, and the Gentleman (Jab to shoulder without the rapid part) can be done over and over if you don't DI away. Most good Falcons wont use the rapid jab unless you're at like the edge of a stage or something, its not that great...
His kill moves are either painfully obvious or laggy, so you should live to decently high %s.
Watch out for being juggled by UAirs, but if you space your FAir and DAirs properly it should not be a problem. Vs. Falcon should be 70:30 us give or take five on either side.
He definitely has Transcendent priority, just not on his AS. I'll correct you later, but there's a lot of mistakes that need to be flattened out. :D
1. Recovering onstage =/= insured death, especially if the lucario is doing it right. Good second jump + no reliable edgeguarding methods for C. Falcon means if lucario is reading his movements he can get onstage without much scathing. If he messes up and is too close to the edge when he lands, you know what to do: ledgehop -> knee 'em.
2.Lucario fsmash is a pretty long ranged move, it outranges marth fsmash, which although isn't exactly the longest range, it gives you a good idea. Granted lucario fsmash is a little slow, but it's other traits make it amazing regardless. For example, a well timed fsmash when someone is on the ledge can cover/beat nearly all options, whether it be getup, attack, jump, or ledgehop. It also ***** AD/spotdodge, and is very safe if used correctly. Also, dsmash will hit an aerial character, but not nearly as well as fsmash.
3.Doesn't really matter how "floaty" they are, especially considering that by weight, samus and yoshi are deceptively heavy (iirc samus is like 8th heaviest or so), which means if anything we can string them for longer periods of time than other characters. Even Kirby can be stringed, but the hurtbox and lightweight means it'll quickly be ineffective because he reaches "uncomboable percents" much more quickly, and the smaller hurtbox ensures that it will be a little harder for things like fair -> nair to work, especially if he DIs. C. Falcon and Ganon, on the other hand, are really good for lucario to string up.
4.These will be decent tools provided if lucario isn't gaying him up. Lucario as relatively slow as he is to most of the cast will end up outliving him by circumstances involving safety. We're discussing how the highest level of lucario's metagame will do against the highest level of ganon's/CF's, and if he's playing this right, ganon and Falcon gets utterly destroyed. The only semi-decent options ganon has will usually be beaten by lucario, mainly because of reasons of safety. Most of the moves that might work for ganon's punish game in other MUs don't work very well against lucario, because many of his moves are ridiculously safe on block with combined hitbox wackiness and low cooldown, which means unless you have a super fast, long range jab or ftilt, or a good ooS response, this will be lucario's game.
imo ganon vs. lucario is 75:25 lucario's favor, and captain falcon vs. lucario is 65:35 lucario's favor
Helpful tips:
I don't think Lucario is that hard for CF, one of his decent match-ups.
I'd say 65-35 Lucario's favor.
Edit:
Jab and Uair are great against Lucario, jab also cancels your spam balls. Lucario wins out with overall better priority and disjointed hitboxes.
PS: It is fun to knee Lucarios that are in Up-B start-up lag.
Stages:
I'll fill in and say stages where your camp and gimp game are good while your recovery options are still strong are great places, such as FD and Frigate. Even some other stages like Yoshi's Island can do pretty well, although your camp game may become limited.For stages i think anything acn be good except for BF. FD can work ok i guess.
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