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Frozen is actually the Rosalina that I played against at one tournament. I just rewatched the match again. Does anyone know why this happened after I hit luma? I found it interesting since Luma is suppose to have 50 hp.I've seen you on the Rosa boards complaining about how OP the character is. Luigi does pretty well against Rosalina if he knows what he's doing. I've beaten good rosalinas on aib and have taken a few games off of Frozen's Rosalina (he wins mostly, but thats due to him having better overall fundamentals and not really matchup). While the matchup his in her favor, Luigi has the tools to beat her. It's just a matter of learning the matchup and the character herself.
Don't complain about something that you have no full understanding of. Learn to adapt to the game's new rules and characters; this isn't PM where you can just cry "NERF" and it'll happen.
I mean, I have problems with the game such as vectoring being different, ledge mechanics, luigi's recovery, characters like diddy, sheik, zss, mac, etc, but I'm figuring out ways to deal with these new mechanics and characters. Learn the game more before making absurd claims.
For anyone that doesn't know, if you hit Luma and send him into a tumbling animation, Rosalina has no control over him until he touches the ground. If you hit him into tumble offstage, then he's guaranteed dead and Rosalina can't do anything to save him. As Zhao said find ways to kill Luma in this fashion so that dealing with Rosalina is a bit easier for a short amount of time. For example D3's dsmash sends people (including Luma) at a much more horizontal trajectory than it did in brawl so it's a decent way to kill Luma near the edge or at the very least get him away from Rosalina for a short time. So experiment with the tools Luigi has to find the best way to deal with Luma. Dsmash could possibly work out for us like it does for D3, or even Mach Tornado as someone previously mentioned (and an addition to that, maybe default cyclone too).Does anyone know why this happened after I hit luma? I found it interesting since Luma is suppose to have 50 hp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRlGBU0hQx0#t=167
Also this happened to Luma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRlGBU0hQx0#t=185
Yeah I'm about to comment on the Mac thread.That is good to hear. I hope everyone can gain a better understanding and agree on this matchup being more of a slight disadvantage or -1 at the most. Also the ZSS thread has got a little love lol and Mac none at all. I expected more posts for Mac than anyone but, since Mac is all around For Glory maybe people aren't struggling with the match up anymore. Not really certain. But would love to see more comments on those matchups so we can move on to the next set of characters.
That sounds reasonable to be honest. 65-35 it is.Ok since it seems the discussion has died down, I took an average of all the credible and reliable responses and came up with 65-35 Roslina Favor. Does everyone agree for now to put into the Match-up Thread Directory? Or should there be more discussion?
Nothing says it has to be set in stone, right? And yes, 65-35 sounds pretty accurate.Ok since it seems the discussion has died down, I took an average of all the credible and reliable responses and came up with 65-35 Roslina Favor. Does everyone agree for now to put into the Match-up Thread Directory? Or should there be more discussion?
I have more trouble against ZSS than Rosa, to be honest.I'm more in favour of 60-30. I'll admit that when I first played the game Rosalina seemed completely invincible. But now I've played some good Rosalina's and it's weird -- all of a sudden I don't feel so helpless. There are openings! And now that I can get some hits in, her lightweight really gets her KO'd early. And recovering high instead of low was something I had to adapt to, otherwise her disjointed dair just stuffs Luigi. Her dash attack can stuff Luigi's aerial approaches, but her dash attack can be interrupted and beaten with Luigi Cyclone, which sets her up in the air. Her disjointed dair stops Luigi from following right underneath, but she's still very vulnerable to a fair and especially to a sweet spotted bair. Luma Shot can be stuffed by Fireballs, and because of her height it's not hard to sneak some in on her too. Since Luigi spends a lot of time in the air, it's shouldn't be too hard to avoid her dsmash.
I don't think this match up is really as hopeless as it seems at first. I didn't post in this thread before because I didn't have a lot of experience vs Rosa, but now that I've played some quality matches, I'd like to cast my vote as 60-40.
Correct, nothing will be set in stone for a while down the road. These are just how we feel about the matchup now. These threads will always be open and linked in the parent directory if people want to reopen the discussion and change the matchup ratio.Nothing says it has to be set in stone, right? And yes, 65-35 sounds pretty accurate.
Ill be honest, her nerfs don't do much. She still has the range and stage control that really give Luigi trouble. 65-35 or 60-40 is still a pretty big advantage for Rosa, but I can definitely see this to be the matchup ratio.So I'm guessing the matchup should be easier now with Rosalina's new nerfs, right? [No more 90-10...never was in the first place lol] I now see 60-40, 65-35 if we really push it. Once we find the best tools to get rid of Luma...we can do some serious damage to solo Rosalina.
Luigi ' s recovery isn't horrible. Just slightly below average. As for a way to get past the Luma, an air attack might do it, though this match up will boil down to a mind game. Whether or not the player Rosa controls understands the advantage presented to them, which if they have any brain in their skulls, will. Try using a ledge to roll behind Rosa and close the distance with a down throw. The only thing a good Luigi player needs is to get a good grab in. As it stands in neutral, the odds are still somewhere in the 85-15 area.I still think that this matchup is somewhere between 70:30 to Rosalina to 85:15 at best!
obs:it does not help the fact that Luigi´s recovery is horrible!