Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Yeah I didn't make that graphic, I just wanted to show where the red hitboxes are. I have no clue what the fine print says either >.<
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idea
Smash Master
That looks like something from a sex ed. class.
crush
Smash Master
its like last year all over again 
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
crush is like one of my favorite posters lmao
Riddlebox
Smash Journeyman
=( I'm not that weird. I just did it cause I thought he was crossing up and I WANTED the sour hit. As he said though...I noticed it and asked him to do it as a test in a friendly...sweet spots all dai.
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Why'd you want the sour hit? And, if not weird, you're certainly really inventive.
Riddlebox
Smash Journeyman
I wanted him above me using a move that wouldn't knock back much (he was obviously at sweetspot upsmash kill % when I inteded to hit the sour spot). I wanted to trade an aerial or beat him from below outright if he didn't shake out of tumble. All my throws feel pretty useless against Jiggs unless she's at really low (still sort of useless especially in this context) or really high % (meaning: will die from f-throw or will get knocked away far enough to double team her partner.); plus it was doubles, so in the end, I just thought of a way to get a kill off an unfavorable situation for both of us.
This is in no way meant to say I know the trajectory and knockback distance of sourspot upsmash at any % on Jiggs lol...just thought it might work.
Granted I could have just FC n-air'd out of shield too...but again, I wanted the extra damage and a better position to hit the strong move to K.O. Also I have a bad history of trading n-air with jigg's upsmash against idea...so inner fear might have lead me to this conclusion hahaha. The dash attack was unexpected so I probably figured I'd get out of shield too slow.
This is in no way meant to say I know the trajectory and knockback distance of sourspot upsmash at any % on Jiggs lol...just thought it might work.
Granted I could have just FC n-air'd out of shield too...but again, I wanted the extra damage and a better position to hit the strong move to K.O. Also I have a bad history of trading n-air with jigg's upsmash against idea...so inner fear might have lead me to this conclusion hahaha. The dash attack was unexpected so I probably figured I'd get out of shield too slow.
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
So DI marth's dthrow down all the time? I don't think I do this. I tend to di toward him at low percents (to take the smash and avoid the tipper) and away at mid/high percents (to avoid a followup smash all together).....
Is that silentswag in your avatar?? lololits like last year all over again
crush
Smash Master
yeah thats silent f@g
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
oh my.
And yeah Im working on the marth mu right now. Things that seem to be screwing me over:
1. Getting too impatient with that wall of fairs, sometimes I go for a bair even though I know they can fair >.<
2. His random fsmashes, especially wd back fsmash
3. His dthrow to fsmash near the ledge (early % death)
4. His random dairs offstage or near the ledge.
Massive
Smash Champion
Don't do that.
Marth has a lot of lag after an fsmash, you want to bait him into doing it and then close the gap quickly and punish it. You should be airborne.
If they seem to tipper you all the time with fthrow or dthrow fsmash, start DIing towards marth instead of away. You will eat a non-tippered fsmash but it won't kill you until >100%. Just be careful doing this on Fthrow, because they can regrab if they're expecting it (dthrow too if you DI down).
Don't go for the ledge. You can fly, just go back onto the stage.
boomrested
Smash Journeyman
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Could you guys critique this, http://twitch.tv/habulous/b/306204880 , starting at 1:25:45 and ending at 1:35:00? It's my second tournament, but there was so much snow and attendance was so low that it kinda turned into a casual smashfest instead. I was playing against SwiftBass, and didn't do so great, but advice is appreciated. Thanks.
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Never mind........
idea
Smash Master
marth is so annoying...i'm convinced he can tipper you regardless of DI at certain percents (after wavedashing if you DI down and away).
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Good stuff! I felt like you coulda grabbed marth more in match 1.
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Can you rest out of Marth's fthrow chaingrab?
Any tips on baiting a Marth fsmash?
Any tips on baiting a Marth fsmash?
Tekk
Smash Lord
1) No, you can't.
2) Good marths won't fsmash you if it isn't safe; that is to say after a grab/at tipper distance.
Bad marths, however, will veryyyyy often try to fsmash you when they're near the ledge, and you're grabbing it. A simple ledgedash shield => wavedash grab/rest Oos if you're close enough will do.
2) Good marths won't fsmash you if it isn't safe; that is to say after a grab/at tipper distance.
Bad marths, however, will veryyyyy often try to fsmash you when they're near the ledge, and you're grabbing it. A simple ledgedash shield => wavedash grab/rest Oos if you're close enough will do.
Massive
Smash Champion
You would've won the marth match if you hadn't missed that utilt>rest (and SD'd), most likely. There wasn't much I could comment on with the way you were playing, I think it was mostly spacing issues that were allowing him to get in and do stuff to you. Always watch out for dancing sword (it's a free utilt), and ALWAYS take the ledge vs Marth (which you mostly seemed to do). Try to make most of your tactics geared towards knocking/throwing him off the stage. Marth is very much a scared little kitten when there's no ground below him.
The second match with falco had one major thing that eeked me. You seem to be in the habit of trying to shieldgrab falco. BREAK THIS HABIT RIGHT NOW.
This falco was obviously a bit sloppy, so he was vulnerable to it. A good falco will almost never be shieldgrab-able. If you are in the habit of doing this on falcos (or spacies, for that matter) when one comes along who has the l-cancel timing down, it will ruin your day.
Also, nair is a fantastic ledgeguard vs spacies. A nair to stop an illusion recovery or foxfire recovery followed by a bair or fair should be considered one of jiggs' bread and butter tactics.
King5280
Smash Journeyman
someone should tell me how to **** ic's. lost to the same ic's player in pools at my last two tourneys.
Massive
Smash Champion
Keblerelf
Smash Ace
Be in the air a lot and try to mix up your movement patterns. Bait an aerial and hit them when they miss.
When you need to land, land away from them.
Upsmash is nice to use to edgeguard against the fB recovery.
Don't try to cross them up by jumping over them because their fsmash ***** that.
DONT GET GRABBED!
King5280
Smash Journeyman
what do you do to counter desynch blizzard
Prince_Abu
Smash Lord
bair and pound go for nana
knightpraetor
Smash Champion
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mahone...how do you beat marth as jiggs. i got 4 stocked by austin
-Darc-
Heir to the Monado
Massive
Smash Champion
If it's AustinRC we're talking about, ask him about the time(s) I beat his marth with Kirby (HWAHAHAHAHA).
He is a beastly Marth, I'd argue as good as M2K if he had the consistency (he chokes about as badly as I do in tourney).
For the most part it's just a spacing game with him. DI towards him out of throw, but do not DI down, and eat the Fsmash. If you DI down he will regrab you. He has perfected fthrow/dthrow > wavedash > Fsmash, he will never miss it if you DI away.
He will also try to bait you with dancing sword to utilt, be ready for it. He has a tendency to wavedash back > fsmash an awful lot, which is exploitable. Dash attacks are what I would go for since marth is vulnerable to them. He does fsmash an awful lot though, many of them are punishable with a well placed rest if you're fancy.
He also used to be a jiggs main, so he knows many of our tricks.
-Darc-
Heir to the Monado
Yeah I'm bad at the whole playing friendlies thing =/
Entered too many tournaments that weekend D:
Entered too many tournaments that weekend D:
idea
Smash Master
i think i saw you standing around once, and then never again the whole weekend
knightpraetor
Smash Champion
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man trolling is hard when people take your questions seriously..nah austin is Redd a fox player we know
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
Are we calling Redd a Fox player now? Is that what he officially is?
Bing
Smash Master
Yeah Im pretty sure Redd is a fox player.
Also Kyle, I am now going to use Marth on you next time we play. F-throw to f-smash all dai.
Also Kyle, I am now going to use Marth on you next time we play. F-throw to f-smash all dai.
FoxLisk
Smash Lord
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idea
Smash Master
that only works when Imadh does it.
Prince_Abu
Smash Lord
my puff owns u all
Bing
Smash Master
I guess that statement will be changed to when Imadh and Brad do it.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I thought you were maining space animals.
Bing
Smash Master
I do main Fox, but I still use Marth a lot, I just cant get it out of my system. And I always end up playing friendlies against Kyle so yeah 
DON'T LABEL ME JOSH. IMA FREE SPIRIT <3
Sure, why the **** not. It has been like six years. Lololol.
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