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Match-up Discussion #3- King DeDeDe (Lord of Gordos and CGs)
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illinialex24
Smash Hero
He is really annoying because of his U-tilt and Waddles Dees. His F-smash is deadly before 50% and you really have to be careful not to fall into all his grabs. However, his B-up can be punished using rest.
PND
Smash Champion
His bair is vicious. He also doesn't like to die. Tough match, but winnable. Take him the edge with bairs and fair him off the killzone. It's the most effective way to kill him, otherwise he's living to ridiculous percents.
His dair and uair are ridiculously disjoint. Don't let him be in a position to use them, as they will trump your approaches.
As mentioned above, you can Rest him out of his Up B upon landing. Also, if for whatever reason he charges a move, rollout.
His dair and uair are ridiculously disjoint. Don't let him be in a position to use them, as they will trump your approaches.
As mentioned above, you can Rest him out of his Up B upon landing. Also, if for whatever reason he charges a move, rollout.
rinoH
Smash Lord
watch out for utilt and they are probably be gonna play defensivly so its really annoying so.. yeah
tEhrXXz0r
Smash Journeyman
Once King Dedede is off-stage and he's facing towards the stage trying to recover, bair him like tomorrow! There's almost nothing he can do to stop a barrage of bairs if spaced correctly.
HiddenBowser
Smash Master
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DDD sucks to play against.
Deidara~Tail~
Smash Apprentice
That is risky thing to do because DDD users can hit Jiggly while in her rollout with a well timed charged hammer attack (and that Down B move) if you're careless.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Thats why if he's charging a move. He can only charge smash attacks. If he's hammering, just wait and avoid so he takes damage.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah, also be away from him when he gets off the ledge. Every DDD just jumps and dairs so you will get hurt if you try to attack him coming off the ledge.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Glick
Smash Lord
I love vsing D3's. Fun matchup. not extremly hard if you can read them. I don't feel like talking about this matchup I already talked about it somewhere else.
PND
Smash Champion
Not as risky as you'd think. Your Rollout can be charged indefinitely, he's smashes can't. Wait for the move, then punish the endlag. It he pulls up Jet Hammer, he can charge that indefinitely, but he'll take damage. If we waddles near you, Rollout the opposite way.
I mean, DeDeDe shouldn't randomly charge moves, but I've seen them do that to try and inspire fear into the opponent. I laugh at their attempts to do so.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah, a well timed rollout is his death wish. Trust me on this, if timed right, he cant do ****. Its safe with good timing, which I have been able to do even on bad wifi. So anyone should be able to do it.
PND
Smash Champion
Oh yeah, Watch our for Dees / Doos if you attempt that. I kept doing it to one DeDeDe, so he tossed a Dee right in front of me. Knowing I'd have to release rollout or get hit by his approach, I had to Rollout the Dee instead. Had he been closer he probably could have killed me after the hitlag. 
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah, never hold rollout. If you do, they will toss a dee in front of you and then go behind it and charge F-smash. Your dead then.Oh yeah, Watch our for Dees / Doos if you attempt that. I kept doing it to one DeDeDe, so he tossed a Dee right in front of me. Knowing I'd have to release rollout or get hit by his approach, I had to Rollout the Dee instead. Had he been closer he probably could have killed me after the hitlag.
The first thing you need to realize about DDD is that his bair is better than yours. It's faster, does more damage, is faster, does more knockback, and is also faster. Luckily, Jigglypuff's nair is fast too, and you can throw those out to win aerial standoffs.
Otherwise don't miss rests, and remember that rest isn't going to kill until roughly infinity percent.
I'm gonna have to mess around with the roll to rest out of grab release Glick. It sounds crazy enough to work, since most DDDs would do a f-tilt or d-smash in that situation...
Otherwise don't miss rests, and remember that rest isn't going to kill until roughly infinity percent.
I'm gonna have to mess around with the roll to rest out of grab release Glick. It sounds crazy enough to work, since most DDDs would do a f-tilt or d-smash in that situation...
Glick
Smash Lord
I KNEW IT WOULD COME IN HANDY TO SOMEONE SOME DAY. But seriously, If you think your about to get punished just shield that *****, son.
Yeah, it's good. It's just that the other thread died. And I belive this is the first time I've actually seen you. =O
Hoser
Smash Ace
That's one of the saddest things I've heard on this forum. Going from Jiggs to Snake
illinialex24
Smash Hero
That's one of the saddest things I've heard on this forums. Going from Jiggs to Snake
That is very sad
Hoser
Smash Ace
Yeah, almost as sad as my grammar and failure to close the color tag in the last post. >.>
I wish I had something to contribute to this match-up, but I'm still fairly new to Jiggs, and I've yet to face a good DDD
I wish I had something to contribute to this match-up, but I'm still fairly new to Jiggs, and I've yet to face a good DDD
illinialex24
Smash Hero
If you're newer to Jigglypuff check this out:Yeah, almost as sad as my grammar and failure to close the color tag in the last post. >.>
I wish I had something to contribute to this match-up, but I'm still fairly new to Jiggs, and I've yet to face a good DDD
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199581
It is a guide to instant ownage.
PND
Smash Champion
Hey. . . I play Jiggs and Snake. And Wario. And Falco. And Metaknight. And DK. And Captain Falcon.
I take offense to that!
I take offense to that!
Hoser
Smash Ace
Awesome, I'll make sure to read it. Considering I haven't really read anything, I think I'm doing pretty good with her. I'll probably upload videos and stuff within the next week.
And I take offense to that. XD
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Make sure you post one or two in here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199602
Its a video critique thread so I and others can let you know how you are doing.
Maniclysane
Smash Lord
What should we do in the air? His fair is somewhat laggy but its hitbox is huge. I'm not sure how Jiggly's fair does against D3's, but I think D3's reaches further and has more priority. His bair is quicker, like Thinkaman said. I'm still thinking that if the D3 player is good enough he should be able to space himself out well enough that you cant really hit him with an nair with ease. I used to main D3 and MK but I haven't played any good D3's in my area. I dunno what to say honestly, all my experience has been on Wi-Fi.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
If you see him backwards, get out, but frontwise, Jigglypuff *****. She has better speed if not priority which is key here. And DDD's fair is easy to avoid.
The problem is, you can't treat characters with multiple second jumps like that at all, since they can freely turn around in the air. ROB is infamous for his "blind spot" below and behind him... but no one would claim that DDD has a "blind spot" in front of him. If you approach DDD from the front in the air, he's just going to spin around and whip out that blasted bair.
Bluffing approach and baiting the bair to gain positional advantage is a huge part of fighting DDD as Jigglypuff, and makes the matchup really annoying.
Edit: That doesn't mean his slow fair doesn't matter though. For example, if you hit DDD with an uair and don't want to stay below him because he is going to dair you, you need to move to the side in front of him. If he knows what you are doing, he will still reverse and do a fast-falled bair (if above the stage), but since he has to jump you will be below enough to avoid it and get away with the uair you did.
Double Edit: Conceptually, DDD is one of Jigglypuff's absolute worst matchups. The mentality is that you can't really combo this thing much, so you are continuously trying to make tiny hit-and-runs without being punished. If DDD trades hits, he easily wins since he's heavy, you're light, and he generally does a good bit more damage. In practice making hits on DDD is a little easier than it sounds, but not much... He still has a healthy advantage.
Glick
Smash Lord
I don't know about you, but I combo the **** out of d3's. Mad up air up tilts and and bair strings offstage. your bair is faster then his fair.
If a DDD is coming back to the stage facing forwards, he is trivial. The moment he realizes he can turn around though, everything changes.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah, its a scary moment. The good thing is if you get two sex-kicks on him (very hard to do but if he tries to Waddle Dee you its definitely possible) and force him to B-up, then you have a chance.
Glick
Smash Lord
Just the fact that you can rest him out of his up b (weather he cancels it or not) makes the match up that much better for jiggz.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Not if he doesn't have to use it, which, lets face it, he shouldn't have to.
Glick
Smash Lord
you can easily gimp his jumps if hes below you. Edgehog his jumps and he'll end up using it.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah, but most DDD's I play jump to get above you and then fall to the ground. I find it fairly hard to gimp him a lot.
Glick
Smash Lord
I cant explain it in words. but hes going to keep jumping if hes below you. swing around his body and jump nair him and keep grabbing the ledge. Try footstooling him. Thats how a lot of people gimp jiggz these days. If they spike them and they survive, the jigglypuff is just slamming jump or jump + pound to get back up on stage. A quick character (like wario) can jump off and footstool you before you can do something about it.