AthleticNerd93
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What is a list of links good and bad matchups
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Ganon has a chain grab on us from 0 to 70, which is honestly near kill percent. Between the cape, a Wizard Foot going through boomerang (and subsequently smacking you in the face with through your long-*** animation), and really easy edgeguards on him, I'd say it's at the very minimum even. His approach option's are way better on Link than they had ever been before, and once he gets in the neutral can be pretty leaned to ganon's favor. I don't have loads to say about link v luigi except the fact that as long as link consistently wins neutral he'll be fine, but if luigi gets in once (and due to his really gnarly wavedash he will) he can wreck havoc in ways very difficult to deal with.
Finally Link Tlink is a matchup I don't know at all, I just get the feeling like link's projectile game is a bit better than Toon link's, but Tlink's ability to deal with projectiles is really strong so it comes down to sword play where Link overall loses assuming the tlink knows how to bait properly. Also, once again: the combos.
why does everyone consider link's bow so trivial? I find it really useful. And I like his boomerang better because it's faster and returns faster, therefore giving you more uses per capita and more pressure.On the subject of toonlink. They both do some really gross stuff to each other. Toonlink on the other hand has a much better neutral than Link does, mostly due to his speed and much better projectiles. I don't know how you could think that Link wins the projectile game... His boomerang is larger, has double the angles that it can be thrown, does more damage, better shield stun, comes out on the same frame, and goes much further. Link has a hand hitbubble after the range is already out, shorter range (which is a + and -) and a slightly longer sweetspot. His bombs are better in nearly every way, while also having more mobility. Arrows have actual uses besides edge guarding. There really is no contest.
In this matchup, it mostly all comes down to range and defense.
Yeah Link's bomb's aren't as good as tlinks at all, but they do their job.I think Tink's bombs are better for sure. Both bows and rangs have advantages and disadvantages over the other. I also prefer Link's, but that should be obvious since we're not in the Tink forums lol
And Link's zair is definitely way better than Tink's, so neither really "wins" neutral. IMO, it simply comes down to Link's range versus Tink's speed.
I've been practicing hard, and my sonic when played in the bait/punish style can sort of fight marth the way falcon fights marth, but overall my matches are all relying on the marth not knowing my character too well.Yeah, Sonic really can't do much against disjoints. Mario is a good CP. That's another matchup I might just go Luigi against. I don't get it. He doesn't seem that fast. His fireball doesn't seem that great. His recovery is okay. But he just seems to get in so easy and his combos and edgeguards on Link are FREE.
Unless you are spamming zair, vs a good DK is very hard because his combo game is stupid [and if he has a giant punch, we die at 60 from a grab regardless of DI as far as I have figured out... I know it true combos and I think he can always sweetspot it]. MU is probably Link favor because of zair being so hard for DK to deal with, but this MU is NOT free vs a good DK.His best matchups imo are DK and Peach.
His good matchups are Bowser, Zard, Ganon, Squirtle, G&W, Mewtwo, etc.
His bad matchups are Mario, Wario, Wolf, Fox, Falcon, etc.
His worst matchups imo are Falco and Sheik.
The rest for the most part feel pretty even to me.
Zair and nair go through fireballs... somewhat important part of the MU. Also he can CG Link.Yeah, Sonic really can't do much against disjoints. Mario is a good CP. That's another matchup I might just go Luigi against. I don't get it. He doesn't seem that fast. His fireball doesn't seem that great. His recovery is okay. But he just seems to get in so easy and his combos and edgeguards on Link are FREE.
His best matchups imo are DK and Peach.
His good matchups are Bowser, Zard, Ganon, Squirtle, G&W, Mewtwo, etc.
His bad matchups are Mario, Wario, Wolf, Fox, Falcon, etc.
His worst matchups imo are Falco and Sheik.
The rest for the most part feel pretty even to me.
Whats the chaingrab?I have never seen a Ganondorf actually chaingrab from 0-70%. I mean, I know it's possible, but it's no more reliable than our chaingrab on him that again, goes to kill percent. Wizard's Foot isn't super scary because Ganondorf mains know it's pretty telegraphed and unsafe if it doesn't hit, so they don't use it often. And on a non-small stage, the entirety of our projectile game and our zair makes it very hard for him to get in. And we have combos and edgeguards on him too, so that's kinda moot. And yeah, that sums up Luigi. Win neutral or get f***ed. Oh, and we can chaingrab Tink too.
Dthrow CG from 0 to 66 (goes to 67 if you can pivot grab), dthrow dair being guaranteed and KOing around 70 (pre-dair, need the 22% hitbox), having tools to zone a kind of slow character. His stuff on shield is really annoying and ASDI down doesn't work well vs GnW, but if you true CC his fair you can usually get a grab, up+b, or dsmash. We can also edge guard him with z-drop bombs pretty well (you can also go for the crazy dair or ftilt, but I think he can sweet spot around ftilt and the dair is risky and sometimes techable). When he is offstage, pull a bomb, z-drop just offstage when he has to up+b, and double jump back and pull another bomb. If he misses the tech then zdrop the new bomb and fair or dair him if he gets hit by the bomb. If he techs, z drop another bomb. IDK if we can actually keep resetting the zdrop bombs, and how he techs matters, but this situation is still favorable and can often lead to a stock, while others have less good tools to edge guard him.I keep seeing in here that one of the best MU's for link is the G&W MU, I don't disagree with it but lately I've been having trouble with him, how are we supposed to deal with him? what makes this MU so good for link?