Meta Knight Q&A Thread

[Dojo]

If the opponent is trying to pressure you while you're on the ledge, you can release and jump while airdodging onto the stage and immediately buffering into a ftilt. This leaves a very small window of opportunity for them to attack and usually comes out unexpected.

Jason added in the uair while releasing just for the hell of it. It has no honest use unless the opponent actually comes rushing at you which you can get that off just by reacting to it. Usually the opponent knows not to step that close to the ledge against MK.

 

[Nic64]

Small window is an understatement, I've had MK powershield Snake's turbo jab when I called him on ledge drop > jump/air dodge before(not the typical result but the fact that it's possible is pretty wtf)

 

[UTDZac]

...This leaves a very small window of opportunity for them to attack and usually comes out unexpected...

Ever since you told me about this some odd months ago I've been watching other MKs to see if they do it or not. I found, as G&W, I can punish the so called "small window" (5 frames) quite easily with a well timed dsmash or charged fsmash in some cases. Since most MKs feel safe with this get up approach, I'm given an unexpected kill move.

Just a word of caution not to use this too often in a match, especially if you're at kill percents and the opponent is just standing there.

 

[Dojo]

Yeah, I've been knocked out of it by charged smashes before. It's not unstoppable, it's just another option coming onstage.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Wow, I just realized that in SSB4 they are gonna super nerf MK.

If they do this will any of you still play as him?

 

[Affinity]

Wow, I just realized that in SSB4 they are gonna super buff MK.

If they do this will any of you still play as him?

Exactly what leads you to this conclusion?

 

[mars16]

Hey Sticky I got something to ask.
What is all MK'S weaknesses

 

[Deoxys]

Wow, I just realized that in SSB4 they are gonna super buff MK.

If they do this will any of you still play as him?

That's not going to happen, but if it did, I would only play him if he didn't seem like he would be banned, and if Deoxys isn't in the game with a good moveset.

Are you sure you mean buff, not nerf? The only way I see them buffing MK is if they buff every character

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, excluding Link obviously, as a decent Link in a Smash game is sacrilege.

Hey Sticky I got something to ask.
What is all MK'S weaknesses

Copied from SmashWiki:
Meta Knight has only a handful of weaknesses. His lateral aerial movement outside of a glide or any special move is very poor (in the bottom 5). A few characters can chaingrab or grab release combo him because of his poor, short air release (the third worst behind Wario and Squirtle when including small characters). He has only four viable finishers, and none of them are meteor smashes (though he can gimp recoveries to remedy this and is considered by some to be the best edge-guarder). He has no projectiles, and his weight is low [(tied for the fourth lightest) but as mentioned above he is still hard to KO when having good Directional Influence/momentum cancel]. However, his low weight also makes him difficult to chain grab. It is good to be aware that a lot of his multi-hit attacks like his Forward and Back Aerials, Forward Tilt, Up Smash, and Mach Tornado can all be escaped with Smash DI. Also, even though all four of his special moves are recovery moves they all leave him helpless, so a beginner mistake using Meta Knight would be to use any of his specials and accidentally go off stage, leaving to fall to his death (though this is not very common at higher levels of play).

 

[Affinity]

You can SDI out of F-tilt?

 

[Palpi]

If so, it is probably a lot stricter SDI then a move like U-smash.

 

[Deoxys]

You can SDI out of F-tilt?

I'm not sure, but I've had opponents escape both buffered and unbuffered ftilts if they're near the end of the hitbox to begin with and/or at a high percent and/or have outward momentum already (as in a Mach F-Tilt or botched M2K combo).

The reach of the second hit is similar to that of the first, right?



Also, my question is still unanswered: Which is the fastest throw? Fthrow?

 

[Affinity]

F throw

 

[saviorslegacy]

That's not going to happen, but if it did, I would only play him if he didn't seem like he would be banned, and if Deoxys isn't in the game with a good moveset.

Are you sure you mean buff, not nerf? The only way I see them buffing MK is if they buff every character

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, excluding Link obviously, as a decent Link in a Smash game is sacrilege.

Oops, I meant *nerf* not *buff*.

 

[Nic64]

I think that's more of a question for the social thread as it doesn't really pertain to MK's gameplay.

but to answer, no I probably wouldn't main MK if he wasn't broken. He's an ok character outside of smash but I can't say I have any loyalty to him, he's simply the easiest tool for achieving victory.

 

[Mew2King]

Jason added in the uair while releasing just for the hell of it. It has no honest use unless the opponent actually comes rushing at you which you can get that off just by reacting to it. Usually the opponent knows not to step that close to the ledge against MK.

Uair combos to Up B cuz they never DI, and it's safe

 

[Deoxys]

Ignore this.

 

[Affinity]

What has more range: F-Smash or Glide Attack?

 

[Dojo]

Uair combos to Up B cuz they never DI, and it's safe

Yeah but most smart opponents won't bother standing that close to the edge with you on it. They should know they can get hit by an Uair. If they are then go ahead and use the Uair but it's not really needed while doing the buffered ftilt from the edge.

 

[Hype]

What has more range: F-Smash or Glide Attack?

Glide attack. It's easy to out range Fsmash with it.

 

[Deoxys]

Glide attack. It's easy to out range Fsmash with it.

Do you guys consider GA to be a viable as a kill move? People always say MK has only 4 kill moves, so I was wondering if the consensus was that GA is too weak.

 

[Nic64]

As well as not being as strong as you'd like it's also pretty much the most telegraphed attack in MK's arsenal(except in some circumstances DC attack) and around KO % people are especially cautious.

 

[MXblaze]

Do you guys consider GA to be a viable as a kill move? People always say MK has only 4 kill moves, so I was wondering if the consensus was that GA is too weak.

I've killed with it lots of times.

 

[LiL.Will]

I'm starting to get into doubles matches alot more often ( I use to hate them...)

Anyways my teammate is a Wario user so what am I supposed to do when I'm teaming with Wario?

What would be some good stages?

And just to be flashy and show off what are some combos for both of us to use.


Also are there any combos/strings/followups that MK can do alone on anyone? I mean like universal combos/strings/followups that work on like almost all the cast. I've always been wondering this.

Thanks for your help hope that made sense.

 

[Roxas1988]

I'm starting to get into doubles matches alot more often ( I use to hate them...)

Anyways my teammate is a Wario user so what am I supposed to do when I'm teaming with Wario?

What would be some good stages?

And just to be flashy and show off what are some combos for both of us to use.


Also are there any combos/strings/followups that MK can do alone on anyone? I mean like universal combos/strings/followups that work on like almost all the cast. I've always been wondering this.

Thanks for your help hope that made sense.

A good early gimp combo i love to do with Mk is the grab release near an edge and a backwards shuttle loop. Always gets me the first stock quick. And I suppose a good combo with a wario teammate would be a fart to a shuttle loop. Not really a team player because no one around me likes doubles.

 

[Shadow 111]

Glide attack. It's easy to out range Fsmash with it.

i'm not so sure i'd say it's easy to outrange it. i've seen f smash win plenty of times when two good players are using the moves. including several times when m2k has lost to my f smash with glide attack >_>.

 

[Deoxys]

i'm not so sure i'd say it's easy to outrange it. i've seen f smash win plenty of times when two good players are using the moves. including several times when m2k has lost to my f smash with glide attack >_>.

But GA does have more range?

 

[Roxas1988]

But GA does have more range?

My guess is that an angled up fsmash beats GA, but GA def has more disjointed hitbox range.

 

[Zekirra]

DOJO!!! Hey man, you're one of my favorite pro players!
I was just wondering, and I'm sorry if this has already been asked (and it probably has), which characters, if any, can MK chaingrab and with what throws?
P.S. if your friend roster isn't full, would you mind adding me? I need some serious training :/

 

[Kitamerby]

DOJO!!! Hey man, you're one of my favorite pro players!
I was just wondering, and I'm sorry if this has already been asked (and it probably has), which characters, if any, can MK chaingrab and with what throws?
P.S. if your friend roster isn't full, would you mind adding me? I need some serious training :/

MK can chaingrab CPUs with Dthrow.

Try it on Bridge of Eldin. It's fun.

My guess is that an angled up fsmash beats GA, but GA def has more disjointed hitbox range.

Fsmash can be angled? Are you serious? =(

 

[Jupz]

No I'm pretty sure it can't.

 

[Roxas1988]

But GA does have more range?[/QUOTE

I believe it can not alot like the othwrs but ive done it plenty of times. try it out for yourselves.

 

[Deoxys]

My guess is that an angled up fsmash beats GA, but GA def has more disjointed hitbox range.

FSmash can't be angled up. Did you mean on a slope? O_o

which characters, if any, can MK chaingrab and with what throws

None.

 

[Roxas1988]

FSmash can't be angled up. Did you mean on a slope? O_o

None.

yes sorry didnt specify it. And i've actually done some real testing and was a bit surprised. The glide attack has disjointed hitboxes depending on how you glide. And even normally thrown out an fsmash cant be tilted. Either way GA wins. As for the chaingrab he has two down throws on fastfallers and a follow-up fair thats all i've done.

 

[Palpi]

It is avoidable by DI.

 

[Roxas1988]

It is avoidable by DI.

I have seen people try to di out of it but even so i think your quick enough to regrab after the first d-throw with a dash grab.

 

[Palpi]

DI Down and tech roll.

 

[*JuriHan*]

Ya I have a question if I send nude pics to whoever created the MK backroom can I haz membership? I'm REALLY cute

Spoiler

How else do you think I got into the Jiggz and Kirby backroom? Surely not by talent...

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ok srs question

What is better for an approach? SH f-air or SH d-air? Or is it best to mix them up?

 

[Roxas1988]

Ya I have a question if I send nude pics to whoever created the MK backroom can I haz membership? I'm REALLY cute

Spoiler

How else do you think I got into the Jiggz and Kirby backroom? Surely not by talent...

Spoiler

ok srs question

What is better for an approach? SH f-air or SH d-air? Or is it best to mix them up?

That is interesting but lets keep it serious and brawl related please, but thanks for the lolz. I would use SH-fair for the approach as it gives you the chance to space and attack. As for the SH-Dair, I would save for camping or an approach from above. But stick with the fair if your on the ground.

 

[Palpi]

The d-air is more risky and not that much more rewarding...if at all.

 

[Affinity]

Ya I have a question if I send nude pics to whoever created the MK backroom can I haz membership? I'm REALLY cute

orly?

lol