Babar-Thorbald
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But Uair can be followed by a SL from below (which is usually countered by DK's ubB if you aren't placed correctly)...
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Meta Knight's Revenge: The Official Match-Up Thread *Wario* -> GO
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uair can bring you in a good position for juggling
TKD
Smash Lord
We play much better now. I agree with 6/4, but 5 points really don't make much difference. I've realized Marth doesn't need to be that careful, but still his difficulty to KO Meta Knight is what makes him not-good ever. He can win in neutrals, CP stages I'm not so sure (there's too many of them). Trying to kill early via spike or hoping for tipper fsmash too much may make you miss enough opportunities to be losing.
Japes is good on Falco. You NEVER die (to a greater extent than Falco possibly). Falco already has a really tough time landing a grab (if you play well), and if they push for it you can just keep on damaging them. It's too much to ask for a Falco to chaingrab you into the left side from the center. There are much better stages for you to CP him, but Japes isn't banworthy in my opinion. All it gives him is recovery.
About DK, Dair's big enough to hit easily, you can Shuttle Loop them from inside out (if you get hit by their upB, it's only a tiny hit and you can continue the edgeguard), you can also grab the edge for invincibility frames and Nair into him. There's lots of things to do. You don't HAVE to KO him in his recovery, if the fight continues on-stage, it's easy to block and punish tilts with Ftilt and camp into Mach Tornadoes. BTW learn how to break grabs quickly and he can't do the carry stage spike thing until higher %'s (70%? 80%?).
haloman800
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oh and against yoshi, ban castle siege, he will infinate u to death on 2nd part of that stage.
Hey guys, the Marios are discussing you. We currently have it as an 80-20 advantage for Mario.
You mind if you give your opinions on this?
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=227291
You mind if you give your opinions on this?
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=227291
Affinity
Smash Hero
lol What a bait.
Conspiricy
Smash Journeyman
Pure weapons grade bull****.
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Matt07
Smash Master
Hmm...come to the Mario boards and help our match-up thread! All opinions are welcomed.
Excellence
Smash Champion
Anyone else like having Meta Knight unmatched in match-ups? If you'd like to keep it that way, familiarize yourself with this advanced technice (AT) that the Diddy Boards found. All you need to do is look at the last few posts and half-think:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=7071915&posted=1#post7071915
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=7071915&posted=1#post7071915
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TKD
Smash Lord
Well I've faced lots of DK players, but I haven't been cargo stage spiked, so I didn't know it's easy to tech. Pretty easy match-up still.
Shadow 111
Smash Lord
Babar-Thorbald
Smash Apprentice
It's way easier to tech than G&W's downthrow... Which isn't that hard to tech.
TKD
Smash Lord
Some characters are very good if you approach them. Marth's Dancing Blade trades hits with Ftilt and outright beats the rest of Meta Knight's moves to the punch. But blocking it makes for an easy punish. Donkey Kong's good if you approach him in ways that he can hit you.
We should be discussing Zero Suit Samus. I'm guessing it's 6/4 Meta Knight. She's good at very short, and at long range, but she doesn't have much to do somewhere in between (at Meta Knight's tipper range). Her grab is slow too, which coupled with her short ranged tilts, makes for Meta Knight's moves to be safe on block. Meta Knight can play it safe very easily, I think. ZZS doesn't pressure Meta Knight too much into approaching, and her couple of long range options are pretty straightforward.
She does have a good recovery, to the point I think the player can recover well enough not to get gimped easily, or be KOed consistantly while attempting recovery, so that takes that usual 10-20% of the match off of Meta Knight's advantage. Plus Zero Suit Samus has more KO power. OverB, Uair and Dsmash into aerials can KO. Her KO options are avoidable, but there's still more than a couple of them.
I don't think ZSS has enough approach options, and that being caught in MK's good zone leaves her with few options. Still, likely (not sure though), not a horrible match-up. I don't know much about the character. Maybe good ZSS players should step it up, because she's not an overused character for most of us to know the match-up.
We should be discussing Zero Suit Samus. I'm guessing it's 6/4 Meta Knight. She's good at very short, and at long range, but she doesn't have much to do somewhere in between (at Meta Knight's tipper range). Her grab is slow too, which coupled with her short ranged tilts, makes for Meta Knight's moves to be safe on block. Meta Knight can play it safe very easily, I think. ZZS doesn't pressure Meta Knight too much into approaching, and her couple of long range options are pretty straightforward.
She does have a good recovery, to the point I think the player can recover well enough not to get gimped easily, or be KOed consistantly while attempting recovery, so that takes that usual 10-20% of the match off of Meta Knight's advantage. Plus Zero Suit Samus has more KO power. OverB, Uair and Dsmash into aerials can KO. Her KO options are avoidable, but there's still more than a couple of them.
I don't think ZSS has enough approach options, and that being caught in MK's good zone leaves her with few options. Still, likely (not sure though), not a horrible match-up. I don't know much about the character. Maybe good ZSS players should step it up, because she's not an overused character for most of us to know the match-up.
memphischains
Smash hhkj'
I played a good DK yesterday at a tournament and it's a pretty obnoxious matchup. Killing him is so difficult so at any time he can come back.really? i actually have a really tough time in this matchup. i should start abusing nado more XD. i can never kill DK until about 160 though =/. very annoying matchup. ppl think diddy, snake, and DDD are harder but i do significantly better in those matchups than against any DK.
I got 0-90% on him without him touching me but he brought me up to 90%ish through Utilt combos and good spacing before I was able to kill him.
He's extremely difficult to gimp as well. You can keep dairing him off the edge and you can even shuttle loop him and the hit trade will keep you alive but even then he just keeps coming back....
Also I NEARLY lost to a Yoshi player (Reflex's brother) in a friendly. Its like you can't really approach and you can't really edguard. I got the hang of the matchup in time to bring it back, but is there any methodical way to win?
Shadow 111
Smash Lord
i'm glad some1 else has seen what a pian DK can be lol. there aren't enough of thme for ppl to realize it really.
yoshi is pretty good against mk, but it's still mks advantage 6/4 at least, IMO. i play Pride a lot, one of the best yoshi mains, so i learned a lot about the matchup. it's difficult to gimp them but if they make one mistake you can get a gimp off easily. if they use his super armor from his second jump smart enough, you can't gimp him out of it. i usually hit him while he is rising with the second jump onto the stage with 1-2 nairs while following him onto the stage and then throw him off again and repeat with edge guarding. it's good to rack damage even if you can't knock him out of the second jump.
don't tornado from far away obviously because he will pivot grab it and CG you. you should tornado right above his tongue everytime, so that you cannot get grabbed.
Yeah I dont think I've ever played a Yoshi before since back in the online days.
I got Spiked First stock when he was at 50% so I had to super hustle to bring it back. I got Pivot grabbed quite a bit. Luckily it was on BF so I could mash out and get to the platforms. Nairing the Invincibility frames helped but I didn't try edguarding much too avoid getting spiked again.
On a side note I realized how punishable a move Tornado is. I got killed by Kismet several times because he's just DI out of my nado then Usmash me. It's probably part of why I lost the set. It only seems to be any good when you can shield pressure your opponent or they don't have a good move around it and can't DI out of it very easily.
Master Raven
Smash Master
DK matchup is either 55/45 or 60/40 from my experience.
Finally someone sees this.
Excellence
Smash Champion
How do you guys feel about the Olimar vs Meta Knight match-up? Personally, I feel as if the Meta Knight doesn't mess up and get too aggressive, there is no way for Olimar to win.
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kirbywizard
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Is the name jigglypuff even on the first post T_T
Lol, I played around with my friend a bit and we tried some planking things.
MK vs. Falco MU should be at least 70:30 for MK, because Falco cant do anything vs. planking and if he gets to close MK can gimp him or simply attack him, sometimes with UAir strings, which make a lot of damage.
So Falco has to get the lead all of the match, which is very hard to do.
Same for Fox, Wolf.
And Chars like Pit, Wario etc. got problems vs. it, too, so the MUs of them should change at least for 10 or more.
Even Pit got problems vs. MK planking, wtf.
He cant attack MK from on stage. (maybe with arrow loops, but then MK can attack while Pit moves the arrows.)
If Pit goes offstage MK only needs to do one or two attacks and Pit gets in a situation to beeing gimped!
MK vs. Falco MU should be at least 70:30 for MK, because Falco cant do anything vs. planking and if he gets to close MK can gimp him or simply attack him, sometimes with UAir strings, which make a lot of damage.
So Falco has to get the lead all of the match, which is very hard to do.
Same for Fox, Wolf.
And Chars like Pit, Wario etc. got problems vs. it, too, so the MUs of them should change at least for 10 or more.
Even Pit got problems vs. MK planking, wtf.
He cant attack MK from on stage. (maybe with arrow loops, but then MK can attack while Pit moves the arrows.)
If Pit goes offstage MK only needs to do one or two attacks and Pit gets in a situation to beeing gimped!
Excellence
Smash Champion
Do you guys believe that Meta Knight vs Olimar is a definite win for Meta Knight if he knows what he's doing?
FrankPizzi
Smash Apprentice
:/ Meat Knight recks all characters 
A. Your friend probably sucks with Falco.
B. Planking is usually banned.
C. Falco never has to approach MK.
MK vs. Falco is DEFINELTY even if played properly. 55:45 at its worst only on certain stages.
That can be said for any char.
Falco has to approach if the Mk gets a % lead and if he starts running time out (planking).
And tell me what the Falco should do to stop MK at the edge?
Ummm Planking is BANNED in like 90% of the tournaments on the east coast.....
edit: oh you're in germany.
If planking isn't banned then don't use Falco vs. MK because you will lose if you don't get a lead....
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
ice climbers are doing your match up
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=7206560#post7206560
your input would be loved...
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=7206560#post7206560
your input would be loved...
haloman800
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regarding the fox matchup, fox can grab release to usmash you at 80%, just like shiek and yoshi can...
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