doom dragon 105
Smash Lord
Falco dude they need to be fast, friend is a falco secondary and I see and know the **** he must press to be good
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Most technical character?
- Thread starter BigTestedCoals
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'V'
Smash Lord
Well.. it should probably be Fox then IC's since they demand so much.
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
In theory it's Fox tied with IC.
In practicality, it's Falco followed by Fox.
In max potential, it's IC.
In practicality, it's Falco followed by Fox.
In max potential, it's IC.
GawdImFoxy
Smash Journeyman
I think IC's could actually exceed Fox. Falco's shine is more difficult than Fox's for me... Maybe I'm a natural with Fox, I just don't know. 
But I can't play IC's. Chu inspired me one time. One time.
I tried to play IC's and it's a different kind of technical, but still very much so. Maybe it's Chu's destiny to inspire the next IC main. :o
But I can't play IC's. Chu inspired me one time. One time.
I tried to play IC's and it's a different kind of technical, but still very much so. Maybe it's Chu's destiny to inspire the next IC main. :o
joeplicate
Smash Master
I think sheik can actually be played ridiculously technical
needle cancels, short initial dash animation makes pivoting/foxtrotting/dash dancing really crazy, up b stalling, needle/waveland game on platforms, short shorthop window
plus she can do a lot of fast autocancels to control space
definitely a character with a high technical ceiling
and if anyone says "LOL drephen, spotdodge, dsmash, ftilt, dthrow slap" then they're dum
needle cancels, short initial dash animation makes pivoting/foxtrotting/dash dancing really crazy, up b stalling, needle/waveland game on platforms, short shorthop window
plus she can do a lot of fast autocancels to control space
definitely a character with a high technical ceiling
and if anyone says "LOL drephen, spotdodge, dsmash, ftilt, dthrow slap" then they're dum
choknater
Smash Obsessed
lol ic's is more about spacing and precision (precision cuz their bair and tilts have like barely any duration but they are great moves to connect with and it takes good timing), i think even falcon requires more tech skill. well, as far as speed goes.
D
Deleted member
Guest
tech skill is a relative term that just refers to doing exactly whatever it is that you want to do. on the basis that no one actually wants to multishine 40 times in place as fox in a tournament setting, that doesn't really count as being technical, it's more like just screwing off and hoping you get it.
obviously the most intensive aspects of technical ability are spacing, timing, or other precision, not so much finger speed, since finger speed has less overall utility. I think we can all agree that fox spamming nair shine or upthrow upair is not very technical.
'V'
Smash Lord
You win the thread. Plain and simple.
joeplicate
Smash Master
man I hate it when people say that
Eggz
Smash Hero
"the reason he loses though is because of other things like being combo ***** and spacing etc. but from a technical standpoint, fox has been mastered for years."
Fox is far from mastered. If people took advantages of Fox's deeper intricacies and used them efficiently, there would be crazy huge depths to take it to.
Most of the world is so behind the technical metagame, its ridiculous.
Also I agree Joe. I think Sheik has the 2nd most technical potential.
Fox is far from mastered. If people took advantages of Fox's deeper intricacies and used them efficiently, there would be crazy huge depths to take it to.
Most of the world is so behind the technical metagame, its ridiculous.
Also I agree Joe. I think Sheik has the 2nd most technical potential.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
man, you win the thread joe <3
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
what
Eggm
Smash Hero
Fox/peach are the most technical followed by falco.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
peach, are you serious?
and sheik?
i mean, they probably do have a lot of potential
but when i think of the most technical
i think of how much is requried in an actual match
fox and falco take the cake
and sheik?
i mean, they probably do have a lot of potential
but when i think of the most technical
i think of how much is requried in an actual match
fox and falco take the cake
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you try continuously float canceling nairs while gaining distance.
Pi
Smash Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyVLKgr3BEQ
Yes, I know, but wait, there's more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr4q9RbUzck#t=1m06s
Yes, I know, but wait, there's more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr4q9RbUzck#t=1m06s
derfleurer
Smash Journeyman
The slower the character, the fewer the possible inputs. It's just that simple.
Fox has the fastest SHFFL i'm aware of, the fastest projectile, the most versatile attack in the game with the fastest start/end lag (shine), a WD that's completely essential to his play, and his speed and shine are the entirety of his approach. He utilizes every AT in every situation or he just doesn't cut it.
So there's my vote, anyway.
Fox has the fastest SHFFL i'm aware of, the fastest projectile, the most versatile attack in the game with the fastest start/end lag (shine), a WD that's completely essential to his play, and his speed and shine are the entirety of his approach. He utilizes every AT in every situation or he just doesn't cut it.
So there's my vote, anyway.
Anth0ny
Smash Master
Sheik is sooooooooooo technical.
Ftilt>fair where you at?
Ftilt>fair where you at?
It's between Fox and Iceys to me. Fox for obvious reasons, but could you imagine someone with PERFECT control over their Iceys?
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
I agree totally.
This is why I keep arguing that Falco is easily the most technical character at a high level, and on practical terms, because unlike other characters, such as Fox, Ics, Falcon, Samus, etc at the same level, he's REQUIRED to be played at a high technical level, unlike the other characters, whos gameplay becomes DD > Grab > do stuff
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Nø Ca$h
Smash Champion
fox. shdl, multishine, waveshine, shine>bair, shine>upsmash.
ics do have desynching so they can be technical.
link has alot of projectiles, but i wouldnt count him as THAT technical.
ics do have desynching so they can be technical.
link has alot of projectiles, but i wouldnt count him as THAT technical.
EmuKiller
Smash Ace
The thread is incorrect. It should be:
"Which character is most technical at the highest level of play?"
Considering none of you here can compare with M2K/Mango/Others who are up there in terms of technical ability.
"Which character is most technical at the highest level of play?"
Considering none of you here can compare with M2K/Mango/Others who are up there in terms of technical ability.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I don't know if this video's been brought to our attention, but here it is, just in case:
OMG so sexy
soap
Smash Hero
1. fox
2. ice climbers
3. samus
4. falco
5. sheik
6. peach
7. ness
8. pikachu
not necessarily based on their style of required play, but useful things they can do that happen to be very hard.
fox i can't even continously nair shine on shields more than like 3 or 4 times before i **** up. add in multishine mixups, and just basic character control, and u've got one tough cookie. regular nair shine run away mindgame tactics is not hard though lol, and thats how most foxes actually play.
icies with their endless desyncs and grab mixups. These may not even be so hard, but it always seemed like to much to learn for me to ever pick them up. zjiin has the coolest icies tricks i've ever seen though, so they are second on my list.
samus. shffmc is teh impossible, and i have never superwavedashed in my life
falco. he is like fox, but easier. he has some tricky platform work, but nothing too crazy.
sheik has alot of finetune controlling with her aerials and needles. reverse needles, fastfall needles, needle isai drops, autocancelling everything, as well as alot of platform utility.
peach. quick float cancelling and djc's plus controlling float heights and stuff is slightly difficult
ness and yoshi both have alot of cool djc stuff, plus ness has that crazy yyg ive never been able to do either
pikachu has some sicknasty upb work
thats all i can think of for now, nothing else seems hard, but every character has the capacity to be played very technically and precisely controlled through pivots, sexy platform work, learning exactly how all the aerials work and flow
2. ice climbers
3. samus
4. falco
5. sheik
6. peach
7. ness
8. pikachu
not necessarily based on their style of required play, but useful things they can do that happen to be very hard.
fox i can't even continously nair shine on shields more than like 3 or 4 times before i **** up. add in multishine mixups, and just basic character control, and u've got one tough cookie. regular nair shine run away mindgame tactics is not hard though lol, and thats how most foxes actually play.
icies with their endless desyncs and grab mixups. These may not even be so hard, but it always seemed like to much to learn for me to ever pick them up. zjiin has the coolest icies tricks i've ever seen though, so they are second on my list.
samus. shffmc is teh impossible, and i have never superwavedashed in my life
falco. he is like fox, but easier. he has some tricky platform work, but nothing too crazy.
sheik has alot of finetune controlling with her aerials and needles. reverse needles, fastfall needles, needle isai drops, autocancelling everything, as well as alot of platform utility.
peach. quick float cancelling and djc's plus controlling float heights and stuff is slightly difficult
ness and yoshi both have alot of cool djc stuff, plus ness has that crazy yyg ive never been able to do either
pikachu has some sicknasty upb work
thats all i can think of for now, nothing else seems hard, but every character has the capacity to be played very technically and precisely controlled through pivots, sexy platform work, learning exactly how all the aerials work and flow
joeplicate
Smash Master
there should be a "how things are now" and "how things could be in the future" version of this thread
sheik has crazy potential (realistically, not 18 full distance instant fc nairs status, or 74 jc shines on a shield while moving). so do ice climbers, especially now that people have started exploiting handoff grabs and all that crazy shiz
fox still ***** everyone though
gg
sheik has crazy potential (realistically, not 18 full distance instant fc nairs status, or 74 jc shines on a shield while moving). so do ice climbers, especially now that people have started exploiting handoff grabs and all that crazy shiz
fox still ***** everyone though
gg
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
Wheres Yoshi at? Yoshi is more technical than ness imo
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
Any good Fox main/secondary should not ever mess this up. This isn't 2005/2006 anymore.
unknown522
Some guy
ICs are really technical. I like watching wobbles play.
joeplicate
Smash Master
from my understanding, he mains sheik and 2nds falco, though
unknown522
Some guy
wait, soap seconds falco?
Why haven't you been CPing foxes with that ****?
Why haven't you been CPing foxes with that ****?
SilverDoc~
Smash Lord
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
Because Fox goes even with, or counters Falco depending on the stage?
Either way it's better than playing Sheik vs Fox
soap
Smash Hero
i think my list is bias cuz im going to think the stuff that i can't do as consistently is more technical even though it just may be cuz i don't have as much experience doing it. I can do all the fox tech, it's prolly more of a stamina issue for me. Just gotta practice him more
btw ive been like maining falco recently. I was playing with m2k the other day and he won't let me and vidjo play anyone besides falco cuz he thinks that the entire metagame is becoming falco.
i dont mind though, falco is hella sexy, and i feel really in control of him atm.
btw ive been like maining falco recently. I was playing with m2k the other day and he won't let me and vidjo play anyone besides falco cuz he thinks that the entire metagame is becoming falco.
i dont mind though, falco is hella sexy, and i feel really in control of him atm.
CableCho57
Smash Lord
i dont understand why samus is placed so high. shes like my third best character and if anything i consider her one of the easiest players to get quickly good with. her wavedash is easy, you dont need to jc grabs because it doesnt make much of a difference, and cant really shffl like cfalcon, fox, or falco ergo. the only thing i guess is fullhop double missles which arent that bad.
i think phanna kind of brainwashed us all
i think phanna kind of brainwashed us all
Well as everyone has been saying Samus is really technical IF you are including esoteric ATs
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
this this this
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
You're missing the part where Falco is still, even if that is true, an easier character to play against Fox than Sheik is?
