SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
Really? Were do you live?thanks, sorry it took so long >.<
I'll watch the relapy asap(wich will be somewhere tommorrow) it's 4 in the morning here now
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New Falcon AT (maybe) Video added
- Thread starter SirroMinus1
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ynnek123
Smash Ace
lol AT? you must be kidding
and i know exactly what you are talking about, so don't come with that...
and i know exactly what you are talking about, so don't come with that...
I live in the Netherlands
and I think landing on the stage after a walljump can be usfull
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
Meaning, expand and discuss about the uses.................. I always LIKE to use the wall jump but I never get to pull it off in combat.
SecretofMana
Smash Cadet
This isn't new, and this isn't an AT in my opinion.
Like Tenki pointed out, performing this isn't difficult, either.
As I see it, the uses for this would be fairly limited, and it might even be worse than grabbing the ledge out of the wall jump. The only application I see would be getting your opponent to drop their shield after the aerials out of the wall jump and then MAYBE turnaround jabbing them when you stand, but there's just too much delay between the wall jump and standing on the stage that I can't see you not being punished for it.
Also, there's that really uncomfortable position when you keep on holding towards the ledge to get onstage; you're placed just perfectly for a meteor. You're exactly where Ike or Link wants you for a d-tilt, too, and most characters' d-tilts, even those without spikes, will always punish you every time for this even if you do manage to get to standing position. A well-timed uair from the wall jump might work against this factor...but even then, wall jumps as a stalling/recovery method from the ledge can backfire miserably when your opponent goes in with a bair to punish, which will stage-spike and kill you at even relatively low percents.
To summarize: If you manage to actually pull this off in a useful way during a match(well, outside of lag, anyways), I'd call you very lucky. It's just too slow and the payoff isn't worth it, anyways.
Like Tenki pointed out, performing this isn't difficult, either.
As I see it, the uses for this would be fairly limited, and it might even be worse than grabbing the ledge out of the wall jump. The only application I see would be getting your opponent to drop their shield after the aerials out of the wall jump and then MAYBE turnaround jabbing them when you stand, but there's just too much delay between the wall jump and standing on the stage that I can't see you not being punished for it.
Also, there's that really uncomfortable position when you keep on holding towards the ledge to get onstage; you're placed just perfectly for a meteor. You're exactly where Ike or Link wants you for a d-tilt, too, and most characters' d-tilts, even those without spikes, will always punish you every time for this even if you do manage to get to standing position. A well-timed uair from the wall jump might work against this factor...but even then, wall jumps as a stalling/recovery method from the ledge can backfire miserably when your opponent goes in with a bair to punish, which will stage-spike and kill you at even relatively low percents.
To summarize: If you manage to actually pull this off in a useful way during a match(well, outside of lag, anyways), I'd call you very lucky. It's just too slow and the payoff isn't worth it, anyways.
Man of Popsicle
Smash Lord
Listen to him.
His first post is clear enough :/
Wogrim
Smash Lord
Yes, we know that wall jumping isn't new, but I've never seen someone wall jump right onto the stage before (except Lucario since he has extra moves).
illinialex24
Smash Hero
I have. Its fairly common place like Falco doing it.
SecretofMana
Smash Cadet
Same, and that is what I was talking about, not just wall jumping in general.
SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
If you want to see the video i can send it to you.
I can send it to wogrim if you and wogrim would like
I have wogrim's wii and brawl code added (and he has mine added)
so that may be a faster way for him to receive the vid
SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
Thats why the title is New Falcon AT (maybe).
Im talking about wall jump to the stage.
SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
That would be cool Thanks.I can send it to wogrim if you and wogrim would like
I have wogrim's wii and brawl code added (and he has mine added)
so that may be a faster way for him to receive the vid
Wogrim
Smash Lord
I've seen Falco walljump to side-B onto the stage, but not a walljump onto the stage.
And sure, send me the vid. I'll upload it too if you want.
I'll send it to you tommorrow
(Artieboy already send me the vid, I'll just 'forward' it to you wogrim)
SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
Falco fox and wolf cant wall jump to stage they grab the ledge every time.
SecretofMana
Smash Cadet
My apologies, misread it as Falcon.
Still, why do you guys need to send vids of this? It's not difficult to see this for yourselves.
Still, why do you guys need to send vids of this? It's not difficult to see this for yourselves.
YesISpeakChinese
Smash Apprentice
if i'm thinking of what you're talking about, it doesn't really have much use in a match, you can just manage it on FD cause the curved ledge prevents you from jumping straight out
but what do you mean by "auto landed on a panel" in your first post
but what do you mean by "auto landed on a panel" in your first post
SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
i was trying to describ how the animation look when you get back to the stage. Auto landing is a AT (i think thats the name of it)
Wogrim
Smash Lord
Alright, saw the vid, tried it with Falcon (got my controller back today), now just need some scenarios where this is truly useful.
SecretofMana
Smash Cadet
Auto-landing...you mean auto-cancelling? Because I wouldn't call that an AT either.
Or do you mean something else? Please explain.
Noodlehead
Smash Lord
no. i think he means what he said. auto land is a platform cancel. it only works with slanted platforms though. when you level with the platform you can do any move you want.
edit: 1939-6270-0806-5120
can you send me the vid
i dont think im doing the same thing as you, the only thing i can do is a cancelled bair
SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
video added
Face124
Smash Ace
hmmm...
This looks hard :/
It could be useful though.
This looks hard :/
It could be useful though.
Noodlehead
Smash Lord
it just a wall jump. drop down>wall jump. its really just timing. practice wall jumping under the stage, you'll get it
Lionman
Smash Champion
I knew about this about 1 month ago, i dont think this is really useful, is only another way from recovery
illinialex24
Smash Hero
This is insanely old yeah you are right. Its only useful if you want to do a trick recovery, like Lucario. When someone is edgehugging him, he will jump there or B-Up there and then jump onto the stage. So if you are stuck below to ledge with your second jump, jump there and push away and then land on the stage. This is insanely well known.
Face124
Smash Ace
Its not the wall jump this is about, its landing on the stage without sweetspotting the ledge after the wall jump.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yes I know. And as I said, a lot of people have been doing this for a while.......
Face124
Smash Ace
Well, I've been on these boards for almost half a year, and I've never read anything about it. So maybe its not that well known, and this thread is raising awareness.
SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
I posted this on the samus board too & it seems like someone Did it with samus already (month ago) And its a bit more useful with her.
actually mario can wall jump under FD too I've done it a couple of times
Face124
Smash Ace
Doesn't mean he can do the tech in question.actually mario can wall jump under FD too I've done it a couple of times
People need to understand this isn't about the wall jump.
SirroMinus1
SiNiStEr MiNiStEr
I wonder why people cant understand? =/
Because they tend not to read all of the OP, let alone the thread.
As this was new to me, this thread has helped me. I implemented this into my game, and when used at the right times (knowing when comes with experience), this can be usefull, as most opponents don't expect you to land on the stage after the walljump.
So thanks Artieboy
Lionman
Smash Champion
You can insta grab the edge when you are doing this AT using the Raptor boost, is really useful for avoid punish while returning
The AT artieboy means is landing on the stage after the walljump. NOT the walljump itself.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Which is very old.... And landing on the stage has no practicality. You can just wall-cling until your opponent gets off the ledge at the very least and insta grab it the moment he releases.
Lionman
Smash Champion
Yeah I know but you can cancel the return only using the raptor boost, taking invicibility frames