BIGM1994
Smash Champion
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/v/sm5415490 Guy is crazy......also after the marth vids he uses his gnw that is really good,then wolf..
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New marth vid of amazing japenese brawler
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Doomblaze
Smash Journeyman
He looks pretty good, love him repping the white, the DB 1 mixups and the spikes (then again its on fox...)
Does this confirm the chaingrab thing on fox?
Does this confirm the chaingrab thing on fox?
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Nah, it just confirms that the japanese still play marth like in melee. (dash dancing???). The fox clearly didnt know what he was doing either lol. Sure, marth destroys fox by design if played well but it shouldnt be that bad. :S
Backlash:
The marth player was obviously more skilled than the Fox, he read him easily and the Fox didn't know how to punish a few things so the Marth could just keep doing them.
Don't stereotype Japan liek that, they play the game just like we do.
The marth player was obviously more skilled than the Fox, he read him easily and the Fox didn't know how to punish a few things so the Marth could just keep doing them.
Don't stereotype Japan liek that, they play the game just like we do.
BIGM1994
Smash Champion
i wasnt stereotypeing japan,also ther is alot of things we can learn from them,well ive never seen a marth this quick
BanjoKazooiePro
Smash Champion
Just because the Marth is quick doesn't mean they're good. The Fox player didn't know the match up first of all, and he didn't know how to punish. The Marth player also did a few unsafe things if you ask me, such as the constant SH->DB. It got pretty obvious after a while and the Fox was just overall a mess that game.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Personally I didn't think the Marth was that great. The Fox was fairly bad, and the Marth was just playing flashy, as we've seen Marth's from Japan do.
I liked the DB1->Uair stuff, I might try that out.
I liked the DB1->Uair stuff, I might try that out.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
some of the Dancing Blade stuff was nice. Other than that, the Fox player was just pretty bad.
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Well, truth be told different countries tend to play brawl and its characters differently. I didnt say they sucked, i just was remarking at the difference between japanese and american playstyles. But lets be honest, that fox was hardly up to par and its not hard to look good against a weak opponent. Yes, the marth obviously knew what he was doing since he landed that spike so well and had pretty decent grip on spacing. However its hard to call someone "amazing" based of this video alone.
BIGM1994
Smash Champion
my bad thought u were talking to me....
When did I say he was amazing? Unless you're talking to OP.
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
>.> the title...not u
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
That fox sucked >.>. And the marth didnt look amazing at all.
Doomblaze
Smash Journeyman
Cmon, that marth LOOKED amazing and you know it =P
unfortunately, we dont know how good he actually is, only that he was considerably better than the fox and that he was very flashy.
unfortunately, we dont know how good he actually is, only that he was considerably better than the fox and that he was very flashy.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
The fox did get abused....I thought shaya said the CG on fox was legit......
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0hXrEf_o5g
^This. When it came out i vouched for the techinical skill of the japanese but the cg was shot down as "bad player di" and the rest of the video was placed in the round file.. Just thought I'd throw that out there. The cg is around 1:50 for those who want to watch just that part.
^This. When it came out i vouched for the techinical skill of the japanese but the cg was shot down as "bad player di" and the rest of the video was placed in the round file.. Just thought I'd throw that out there. The cg is around 1:50 for those who want to watch just that part.
Well, he looks good. Very fast and great spacing.
However, the Fox player was more then horrible, this makes the Marth player seem better then actual.
All I can say is that the Marth looked good, but I doubt that his Melee tactics would work with our Marths. If only he would play more like Brawl and not Melee, he could be really something.
However, the Fox player was more then horrible, this makes the Marth player seem better then actual.
All I can say is that the Marth looked good, but I doubt that his Melee tactics would work with our Marths. If only he would play more like Brawl and not Melee, he could be really something.
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Hmm, I'm more of the mindset that we haven't taken enough Melee which has years of development and translated it into Brawl. Ever wonder why the top players are also Melee pros?
This gave me ideas. Also, the chaingrab on Fox is probably legit. I've done similar stuff to MK. Pikachu gave me ideas of mixing up Fthrow and Dthrow to extend our chaingrabs, and I'm willing to bet it ***** Fox just as bad as these Japanese players have already discovered, since Fox is a dominant part of their metagame.
Also, Fox is a viable character, especially if MK were to be removed from the picture. Fox has excellent mobility, punishing tools, kill power, and recovery. What he lacks in weight, he makes up for in damage racking and camping. He dies if you know how to gimp him though.
This gave me ideas. Also, the chaingrab on Fox is probably legit. I've done similar stuff to MK. Pikachu gave me ideas of mixing up Fthrow and Dthrow to extend our chaingrabs, and I'm willing to bet it ***** Fox just as bad as these Japanese players have already discovered, since Fox is a dominant part of their metagame.
Also, Fox is a viable character, especially if MK were to be removed from the picture. Fox has excellent mobility, punishing tools, kill power, and recovery. What he lacks in weight, he makes up for in damage racking and camping. He dies if you know how to gimp him though.
ChaosKnight
Smash Master
yea you wonder why melee players transitioned well from melee ot brawl after learning it ... its pretty simple .... we've known the metagame longer ...
crifer
Smash Lord
that´s not new, and the fox boards know this vid since at least 2 months,
but yeah both players are awesome to watch!
but yeah both players are awesome to watch!
I agree with the bold fully. I might even quote this when someone says "stop trying to make this game melee". Melee was a game edging on ideal (I'll concede it could have been better balanced) why would we not want to make brawl like it?
Anyway how is fox viable? Doesn't he get ***** by pika, sheik, and anyone who has a chain/lock of some sort?
more on topic: the marth looked good despite how bad the fox was. It was clear he knew the matchup and that he has a great handle of marth. I'd really love to see japanese pro come over here to see how they would do in our campy, mk-saturated meta, but when I looked at the pre-reg for genesis no one from japan was there. o.o can anyone explain?
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
pikachu CG 95% of the cast doesn't make characters like snake falco or d3 any less viable.
DB > Uair is legit. Every marth should be using it.
DB > Uair is legit. Every marth should be using it.
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
You answered your own question. I wouldnt want to go to the US if i saw the videos of the warios, snakes, and MKs ppl have to face in tournaments in the good ol' US of A.
Those characters are all well above average and have good matchups against popular characters. Even if that one matchup was **** for them (which I don't think it is) it wouldn't matter. Either way, I'll check fox's matchups now to see if he's as good as pierce suggests.
@Backlash: lol I didn't even think of that. Tbh, I'd like to play in their relatively aggressive melee-esque meta. It'd be a lot more exciting.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I'm not sure how unbias the match ups in the fox boards will be. They used to have him even with MK I'm not sure if they still do though.
I just checked and fox's matchups were pretty horrible. He had like two useful good matchups against rob and toon link and the tl one isn't really that useful.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=186742
Anyone with "lol" as a matchup number is probably not viable.
edit: in fairness every other character has been supposed to go even with/beat mk. Even marth a while back iirc.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=186742
Anyone with "lol" as a matchup number is probably not viable.
edit: in fairness every other character has been supposed to go even with/beat mk. Even marth a while back iirc.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Well it's Marth. He goes even with God.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
lol Japan says fight with honor, U.S. says it isn't despicable if everyone else is doing it.
IrArby
Smash Ace
Oh no's Melee gone wrong (except for the Marth winning part).
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
I suppose that means all the japanese players who decided to come over to the US committed seppekku upon losing to the first MK scrub who 3 stocked them upon arrival.
*not a refference to the skill lvl of japanese players*
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
*Imagines japanese players bringing katanas/hodachis/wakizashis/whatever with them going to international events*
This might explain fox's metagame in Japan (for those who haven't seen it, although I think almost everyone has):
mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
some of the things he did were pretty cool.
but honestly, it wouldn't work against better players.
but honestly, it wouldn't work against better players.
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O_o We lookin at the same video?
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
I think that yall arent looking at the same video. Aro meant the video in the OP, while you clearly were looking at the video i posted.
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My bad. The video you posted is at the top of page 2- not 1. >_>
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Wut? Does not compute.
Rave925
Smash Apprentice
I admit that the Japanese player(noticed how I said only one) was semi decent, buuuut......he went out of his way to do some flashy tricks when he could have made some clearly better moves instead. Maybe it's the mindgames over there, but for real though, he made it harder on himself. Plus, that other player was just plain bad, at least compared to the other guy, and that's sayiong a lot. :/