Our Pokemon Trainer Match Up thread is very old and extremely outdated. So, we need to fix that. Some have attempted to make new match up threads, but somehow they never manage to lift off the ground. I can't do this by myself, so please help when you can. Who can I count on to help us make this possible? Post here.
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New Match Up Thread (For Real This Time)
- Thread starter The Jort
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Ingoro
Smash Ace
because how many matchups do we have to think of again? I keep forgetting the number.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Ussi
Smash Legend
You should just do a average MU ratio of all the PT player's opinion. A lot faster than discussing all the characters :x then just answer questions people have about specific MUs
T-block
B2B TST
The BBR is working on a matchup chart, so my time has been consumed by that.
I suppose it wouldn't be much work to kickstart discussions, but I'm thinking it might even be easier to wait for the BBR chart to come out, and then we'll have something to work off of.
I suppose it wouldn't be much work to kickstart discussions, but I'm thinking it might even be easier to wait for the BBR chart to come out, and then we'll have something to work off of.
Geenareeno
Smash Lord
How much longer do you think?
QFT
Knowing why the match up is the way it is and how you should play in the match up is much better than just knowing what the ratio for the match up is. Knowing the match up is especially important for PT because it helps you decide when and how you should switch Pokemon.
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
I will start off the conversation; PT vs PT is the funnest matchup in the game.
hurricanehans
Smash Rookie
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It's embarrassing how bad I am at PT dittos. For starters, does it work like in the pokemon games? As in the Squirtle beats Charizard beats Ivysaur beats Squirtle type thing.
T-block
B2B TST
Funnest matchup in the game indeed.
No it definitely doesn't. Squirtle > Ivysaur, for one.
No it definitely doesn't. Squirtle > Ivysaur, for one.
Ingoro
Smash Ace
It is fun, and confusing. I wonder how fast an Usmash fully charged by ivy would kill squirtle.
And just bullet seed on charizard, because it is just mean against him.
And just bullet seed on charizard, because it is just mean against him.
Didn't someone discover that Ivysaur has a grab-release chaingrab against Squirtle?
T-block
B2B TST
Er...she's always had an air release chain Marth-style... is that what you mean?
Geenareeno
Smash Lord
Only on squirtle?
Yes, only on Squirtle.
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
I think she can also in the ditto (ivy vs ivy) get Ivy with an Up from air release. (Jigglypuff too actually)
Someone check, my memory could be wrong.
Someone check, my memory could be wrong.
T-block
B2B TST
Fairly sure on u-air on Jiggs.
Doubtful about Ivy though, but I wouldn't be too surprised.
Doubtful about Ivy though, but I wouldn't be too surprised.
Geenareeno
Smash Lord
So I tried U-air on jiggs and I couldn't do it. Either I suck at Brawl, there is something you have to do that I don't know about, or you can't. In order of plausibility.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
When you're character board is ******** and has MU ratios brought up from 2009 and pulled out from their *** you end up with some really dumb results when this is done.
Not speaking about this board in general, just saying for lower tiered characters there are hardly any people who actually main the said character in tournament but still feel the need to contribute their ******** match up opinions in those threads.
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
not upair, i ment up b, juggs and ivy both have gay long and high air releases/
Geenareeno
Smash Lord
Alright, here's what I found. Keep in mind i'm not very good at buffering or doing things the best/fastest possible. On Jiggs, up b isn't guaranteed but it's a very good idea because unless the airdodge right away or jump you will hit them with the tip. On Ivy I couldn't get anything. On Squirtle I could chain grab but Leaf is a good mix up. On Olimar Vine Whips in not guaranteed, you have to run up and they will probably get out of it. And on Wario there is no way to sweetspot the vine whip that I know of, he is too low after the GR. You can also try Razor Leaf on him but it's not a very good mix up and if he comes at you with an aerial you'll get hit. Two other mixups are bullet seed which is really hard and risky and also F-smash which I didn't test.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
we have no upb on anyone on grab release
i tested
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
You have 20
but vinewhips hitbox just misses.
but vinewhips hitbox just misses.
Geenareeno
Smash Lord
It works on wario, not sweetspot.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Yeah that's worthless xD
T-block
B2B TST
Why up-b when you can u-air?
Geenareeno
Smash Lord
That's a lot more useful isn't it. Maybe if you're at the edge... nah I can't think of a situation within the ruleset.
Also wewt 100th post.
Also wewt 100th post.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
SDI ruins it anyways
Ingoro
Smash Ace
It's interesting enough to try though, I'll get on this tonight and give you feedback tomorrow flex.
Ingoro
Smash Ace
I haven't been able to do this consistantly : /
MARLX
Smash Journeyman
What is the match up between pokemon trainer and falco?