New mechanics you'd like to see. (No wavedashing and L cancelling discussion)

[Terrazi Terrajin]

Every smash game adds some new mechanics to the already solid formula of gameplay, the question is what would you like to see become a possible mechanic in Smash 4?

I myself have a small wishlist, which only grew upon playing PSA and seeing some interesting things going on there that would have worked better in a smash game, they are as follows.

1) Being able to drop through platforms while performing air moves - This really grew on me while playing PSA and made me realise just how much I wish I could do it in brawl. In fact, I even thought it was possible when I played brawl again shortly after.

2) Platform dropping while laying down - Once again this was a mechanic in PSA that stayed glued to my mind while playing brawl again afterwards.

3) Three attack buttons - I would love to see a fresh class of moves present in a smash game, as much as I love smashes, tilts and specials, with a 3rd attack button you could open up a whole new bunch of options. Perhaps remove the delay needed to perform a tilt by assigning smash attacks to the 3rd button, and tilting on the 3rd button would allow for even heavier hitting tilt moves that only just fall short of being as powerful as uncharged smash moves.


Any other fresh ideas?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Swimming (underwater) is the only thing missing for me.

 

[HeroMystic]

Very very minor thing, but I would like to see an air turn mechanic. As in, being able to turn around while mobile in the air (yes I know B-reversal exists).

I would also like to see Final Smashes be implemented into character movesets but as in a lesser form.

 

[TreK]

Tether rule applied to normal ledge grabbing : brawl's ledge, except if you grab it more than three times without landing, you don't have the invincibility frames.

 

[Lechteron]

Back smashes, tilts (might be iffy with turning), and specials. At least back smashes.

I'd like more varied jump styles and options. We currently have the standard double jump, 5 small jumps, Yoshi's double jump, Peach's float, and gliding. Maybe having a super jump ala SMB2 Luigi an aor walk second jump, or a directional fling second jump (like Fire Fox or Quick Attack) Varying amounts of "puff" jumps could be good too. Kirby might get many small ones while Dedede gets three bigger ones for a total being the same but in a different way.

 

[Lechteron]

Edit: Accidental double post.

 

[Big-Cat]

Air Dashes
Chains
Special Canceling
Jump Canceling
Dash Canceling

 

[TewnLeenk]

While charging a Smash attack, you can do a full turn (like Falcon Punch in Brawl) and use the fully charged Smash in the complete opposite direction.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

Very very minor thing, but I would like to see an air turn mechanic. As in, being able to turn around while mobile in the air (yes I know B-reversal exists).

It's weird to me that I don't mind having air turning or not.

Maybe having a super jump...

Falco already has something like a super jump. Do you mean to go further than that?

I think the most practical thing that I would love to see is an auxiliary move/button. It would perform a unique ability for the character, key in that it is mostly free from directional input. Specifically, I would like to see most special projectiles, like Fox's laser and Mario's fireball, that would be benefit from having their own button moved to the auxiliary button. This frees up the character to perform their special projectile while moving and without having to execute a tech or briefly release the control stick.

For characters where this does not apply, or you go for further with, you can have them perform something unique instead. For example, Link's auxiliary move can be raising his shield, much like when he normally stands, to give a small area of physical and projectile resistance, allowing him to move more aggressively against characters that are difficult to maintain zoning. Samus can have her down special replaced in favor of having her turn into the morphball for an extended period of time. Just brainstorming, here.

 

[SKM_NeoN]

1 and 2 are good suggestions. We already have light, medium, heavy, and special attacks though, so unless they can think of an attack type that's inherently different and adds a new utility to your repertoire I would leave it as is.

Edit: Upon further reading your third suggestion, it's pretty good too.

 

[Equal]

Why, tripping of course.

 

[Bowserlick]

Momentum: Gives stun armor to heavy weights if they are running full speed

Example: Would allow Bowser to run through a few weak projectiles

 

[[Corn]]

Air Dashes
Chains
Special Canceling
Jump Canceling
Dash Canceling

So creative....

Anyways, Id like some sort of this, as its really the only thing that bugged me

While charging a Smash attack, you can do a full turn (like Falcon Punch in Brawl) and use the fully charged Smash in the complete opposite direction.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Love the third attack button idea. Id also enjoy air smashes and b smashes.

 

[smashbrolink]

Underwater battles and aerial battles?XD

 

[VA3TO]

I would say air dashes because it could possibly allow wavedashing (I know you said not to talk about, sue me) while also giving casuals an easier way of air dodging.

I hope toadstooling stays but is made to be more useful in a way.

Momentum Cancelling off a ledge ala Link's Up-B used after dashing into another attack.

 

[RODO]

They could have some kind of charge mechanic that increases your attack depending on how long you charge. It could change the color of the streaks that your attacks make when they cut through the air, indicating how powerful your attacks are based on color/size. Idk, everything good was already taken that I could think of lol

 

[210stuna]

Wavedashing and L-Cancelling.

Oh...

Really though, the ability to cancel Smash attacks would be nice. Also having armor on some characters/character move's like on Project:M's Bowser.

Pretty much make it Project: Melee.

 

[smashbrolink]

Wavedashing and L-Cancelling.

Oh...

Really though, the ability to cancel Smash attacks would be nice. Also having armor on some characters/character move's like on Project:M's Bowser.

Pretty much make it Project: Melee.

Well, as far as Bowser goes, they sped him up to a significant degree.
He now feels like the Bowser from Inside Story, with speed AND power.
I think that'll do enough to cover for a lack of armor.

 

[smashbrolink]

Wavedashing and L-Cancelling.

Oh...

Really though, the ability to cancel Smash attacks would be nice. Also having armor on some characters/character move's like on Project:M's Bowser.

Pretty much make it Project: Melee.

Well, as far as Bowser goes, they sped him up to a significant degree.
He now feels like the Bowser from Inside Story, with speed AND power.
I think that'll do enough to cover for a lack of armor.

I would say air dashes because it could possibly allow wavedashing (I know you said not to talk about, sue me) while also giving casuals an easier way of air dodging.

I hope toadstooling stays but is made to be more useful in a way.

Momentum Cancelling off a ledge ala Link's Up-B used after dashing into another attack.

Footstooling, you mean?
Yeah, it's been confirmed in; it was seen during a part of the reveal trailer I think.

 

[BentoBox]

- The ability to cancel a smash attack with R/L while charging, at the cost of 5%-10%.
- Bring back some of Melee's better mechanics (Ledge, dashdance, etc)

 

[VA3TO]

Well, as far as Bowser goes, they sped him up to a significant degree.
He now feels like the Bowser from Inside Story, with speed AND power.
I think that'll do enough to cover for a lack of armor.


Footstooling, you mean?
Yeah, it's been confirmed in; it was seen during a part of the reveal trailer I think.

Yeah I have no idea why I said toadstooling hahaha! What trailer is that from do you know? I'd like to see it.

 

[smashbrolink]

Yeah I have no idea why I said toadstooling hahaha! What trailer is that from do you know? I'd like to see it.

Like I said, I believe it was the E3 reveal trailer.
There was a moment where Link did a Footstool to Pikachu....

 

[FalKoopa]

Maybe allowing the dash to be cancellable into all smash attacks, and not just Up-smash.

 

[Terrazi Terrajin]

Air grabs just popped into my head, I'd love to see a universal one that could perhaps allow for the 4 way throws mid-air.

 

[smashbro29]

If they put in something that would allow for the depth of the Melee ATs without looking completely stupid and being prohibitively difficult to perform.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

Air grabs just popped into my head, I'd love to see a universal one that could perhaps allow for the 4 way throws mid-air.

I don't know about universal, this is something I'd like to see be a unique attribute of a character, like Marina Liteyears. SHAKE SHAKE

 

[ItBeVoltage]

That third button idea would be amazing! (I really hate the way you input them now if you don't have a game cube controller >_<) The 3ds version would work for this really well, since I'm sure not all those buttons will be used at once. R and L for grab and shield, Analong stick and D-pad for movement/ Smash attack shortcuts. Then the 4 other buttons are left for Attacks.

Perhaps it could be right, but its just an ideal layout.

 

[kikaru]

I would like to see a versus option where you can choose multiple characters as opposed to one. For example, if you are playing a 3 stock match you could choose to lead with Pikachu while having Fox and Samus on reserve. The only way to switch between characters is to get KO-d, so if Pikachu is knocked out then the player would spawn as the next character in their lineup, in this case it would be Fox.

Utilizing this would allow for a stronger focus on counter-play in the competitive scene while allowing casual players to mess around more often.

 

[The World Warrior]

You know, a third attack button sounds rather interesting. I could indeed open up a whole new set of options.

 

[ChozoBoy]

Smash specials could be neat.

 

[Xaltis]

Didn't see anyone post that you can now ping/clash moves in the air now instead of just on the ground. No it's not something I'm suggesting, I just wanted to point out that it's new. I may have missed someone saying something about it, and if I did I apologize.

 

[Terrazi Terrajin]

That third button idea would be amazing! (I really hate the way you input them now if you don't have a game cube controller >_<) The 3ds version would work for this really well, since I'm sure not all those buttons will be used at once. R and L for grab and shield, Analong stick and D-pad for movement/ Smash attack shortcuts. Then the 4 other buttons are left for Attacks.

Perhaps it could be right, but its just an ideal layout.

They wouldn't be 4 buttons for attacks, one for jump, and the other 3 for attacks sounds pretty sweet.

Didn't see anyone post that you can now ping/clash moves in the air now instead of just on the ground. No it's not something I'm suggesting, I just wanted to point out that it's new. I may have missed someone saying something about it, and if I did I apologize.

That's actually awesome, got any vids on hand that show this off?

 

[PlayerXIII]

That third button idea would be amazing! (I really hate the way you input them now if you don't have a game cube controller >_<) The 3ds version would work for this really well, since I'm sure not all those buttons will be used at once. R and L for grab and shield, Analong stick and D-pad for movement/ Smash attack shortcuts. Then the 4 other buttons are left for Attacks.

Perhaps it could be right, but its just an ideal layout.

I support this idea fully. This would probably be the best layout possible for the 3DS.

 

[VA3TO]

If they put in something that would allow for the depth of the Melee ATs without looking completely stupid and being prohibitively difficult to perform.

Melee's AT work perfectly fine and do not "look completely stupid". There is nothing difficult about any of the AT's to perform what so ever. Put in the work and you should have it down by an afternoon.

 

[VA3TO]

I would like to see a versus option where you can choose multiple characters as opposed to one. For example, if you are playing a 3 stock match you could choose to lead with Pikachu while having Fox and Samus on reserve. The only way to switch between characters is to get KO-d, so if Pikachu is knocked out then the player would spawn as the next character in their lineup, in this case it would be Fox.

Utilizing this would allow for a stronger focus on counter-play in the competitive scene while allowing casual players to mess around more often.

So essentially KoF or Pokemon?

Sounds awesome, great idea.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

I always felt Final Smashes were too easy to pull off. If you needed to hold B to charge them for 3 or 4 seconds, they'd be actually quite balanced. Possibly even balanced enough for tournament use.

 

[BlueXenon]

Very very minor thing, but I would like to see an air turn mechanic. As in, being able to turn around while mobile in the air (yes I know B-reversal exists).

I would also like to see Final Smashes be implemented into character movesets but as in a lesser form.

metaknight, ddd, pit, yoshi, kirby, and jigglypuff can already do that in brawl.

I would like the ability to do aerials through platforms.

 

[VA3TO]

I always felt Final Smashes were too easy to pull off. If you needed to hold B to charge them for 3 or 4 seconds, they'd be actually quite balanced. Possibly even balanced enough for tournament use.

A 3-4 second charge for a 1 hit KO move isn't very balanced at all; especially since the Smash Ball appears randomly and different amounts of damage it takes to obtain it.

If they balanced Final Smashes properly on the other hand it wouldn't be so bad.

A super meter like Playstation All Stars would be quite nice and for the Final Smashes not to be as devastating.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

Possibly even balanced enough for tournament use.

Changing the length to execute a Final Smash would not affect balance at all. You cannot even compare a Final Smash to other charge attacks, the difference is so vast.

And holding the B button for three or four seconds? Do you expect the other player to idly sit by? Is fighting over the Smash Ball not enough to earn a dumb, gameplay-void free kill? The only way you could execute a Final Smash in this scenario is that the other player is in a compromised position, in which case why are you wasting your time not punishing them?