camerino1
Smash Lord
Alright, I get it. It's just weird how it goes against the other attacks in that sense. Most people don't know that though, so it is kind of surprising for Roy to kill on a tip.
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KingClubber
Smash Ace
Here's a comparison to Marth's
(First Swing)
Bone - 76 "70" - "72"
Bone - 71 "20" - "100"
Bone - 4 "16" - "100"
Bone - 76 "70" - "100"* - angle 70 (Roy's - 361)
(Second Swing)
Bone - 76 "72" - "72"
Bone - 71 "30" - "100
Bone - 4 "15" - "100"
Bone - 76 "70" - "100"* - angle 75 (Roy's 361)
(First Swing)
Bone - 76 "70" - "72"
Bone - 71 "20" - "100"
Bone - 4 "16" - "100"
Bone - 76 "70" - "100"* - angle 70 (Roy's - 361)
(Second Swing)
Bone - 76 "72" - "72"
Bone - 71 "30" - "100
Bone - 4 "15" - "100"
Bone - 76 "70" - "100"* - angle 75 (Roy's 361)
KingClubber
Smash Ace
Please elaborate, but i believe the answer is no.
You need someone more in-dept to explain how hit-stun works both when hitting, or getting hit, if you find someone please pass the info to me too. I've been trying to understand it myself.
You need someone more in-dept to explain how hit-stun works both when hitting, or getting hit, if you find someone please pass the info to me too. I've been trying to understand it myself.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
This is going to sound really dumb, but bear with me....I have a theory about Roy's Tip of the Blade.
I think Roy's Tip of the Blade is a double edge blade type of tool. What i mean is that Roy's tip of the blade was made like this for two reasons.
The 1st being mind games, Roy is a known hard hitter, but when hit with the tip of the blade the knockback becomes weaker lacking most of it's kill power. While bad from the start of the match, this could help confuse the target, which could lead into interesting combo's, and kills.
The 2nd is that Roy's tip of the blade is made as some sort of reset. Take Roy's D-tilt for example, at low percents when using the base of the sword it pops the target up high with a strong hit, but with the tip of the blade it barely lifts off the ground that doesn't lead into anything. But at Mid to High percentage the Base of the sword begins to knock them to high for Roy's most of Roy's starting combo's, but now the tip of the blade lead perfectly into them. Even as high as 110% damage.
I practiced doing the d-tilt to grab with the tip of the blade from 100% down to 30% going down by 5% after each successful grab. The lowest i got was 40%, with Roy's tip of the Blade d-tilt to grab.
This doesn't work with all of Roy's Tipped Attack
Dash Attack, and D-Smash become stronger at the tip of the blade after a certain damage %.
N-air, and D-air Knock back never changes even when hit with the tip of the blade.
PLEASE, Leave your thoughts, and test the theory out. Do the same test i did above to see for yourself.
I think Roy's Tip of the Blade is a double edge blade type of tool. What i mean is that Roy's tip of the blade was made like this for two reasons.
The 1st being mind games, Roy is a known hard hitter, but when hit with the tip of the blade the knockback becomes weaker lacking most of it's kill power. While bad from the start of the match, this could help confuse the target, which could lead into interesting combo's, and kills.
The 2nd is that Roy's tip of the blade is made as some sort of reset. Take Roy's D-tilt for example, at low percents when using the base of the sword it pops the target up high with a strong hit, but with the tip of the blade it barely lifts off the ground that doesn't lead into anything. But at Mid to High percentage the Base of the sword begins to knock them to high for Roy's most of Roy's starting combo's, but now the tip of the blade lead perfectly into them. Even as high as 110% damage.
I practiced doing the d-tilt to grab with the tip of the blade from 100% down to 30% going down by 5% after each successful grab. The lowest i got was 40%, with Roy's tip of the Blade d-tilt to grab.
This doesn't work with all of Roy's Tipped Attack
Dash Attack, and D-Smash become stronger at the tip of the blade after a certain damage %.
N-air, and D-air Knock back never changes even when hit with the tip of the blade.
PLEASE, Leave your thoughts, and test the theory out. Do the same test i did above to see for yourself.
I finally got around to uploading my two sets against Swift at the OMG finals a while back, if you guys still want to see it. I live yet!
camerino1
Smash Lord
Good show there, Sethlon. I enjoyed watching them. Keep it up, you might just take Roy to the top of the tier list yet 
How long has it been since you played seriously before that tourny?
I was at the OMG the month before, but before that...oh, probably about a year. That phase didn't last too long either, and my dry period before that was a little over another year.
So do you plan on trying to do a comeback tour?
Of a sorts. I've actually been to three other tournaments since those two OMG ones; two in Austin and another Dallas one. At the very least, I'm not stopping again until I have enough footage to finish my combo video.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
I enjoyed the video's, but being ignored isn't fun.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
Broken!
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The tipper with Roy is different because he and Marth would be too similar otherwise. That's the best reason to me why Roy is the way he is. Just needs more hitstun.
Also, a few of Roy's moves have weight based knockback such has his AttackHi4 and SpecialS3Lw. And these do no scale with damage or knockback growth.
Also, a few of Roy's moves have weight based knockback such has his AttackHi4 and SpecialS3Lw. And these do no scale with damage or knockback growth.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
I read this very same thing before somewhere.
What you say here isn't very clear, you don't explain anything about Roy's tip of the blade you just say it's different and that's that. And i don't bother wish for something that is set in stone, but i know what you mean.
i know, which is why i didn't note them.
Sorry but you didn't really answer anything, you just said it was different, and didn't leave anything sort of information that could be of use, or tell me im wrong. so i don't know if i should close in on it or walk away before i begin trying to integrate it.
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
sethlon. your Roy is hot.
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
have you guys found the ying tipper yet?
i predict people will be able to do it with 5% consistency around 2013.
i predict people will be able to do it with 5% consistency around 2013.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
ying tipper? Never heard of it.
camerino1
Smash Lord
Merry Christmas everybody. I hope everyone is having a good day with lots of cheer, family and food. Lots and lots of fooooooooooood!
NewJerusalem
Smash Apprentice
Merry Christmas, Happy NEw Year etc. etc.
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Wish me luck at apex, guys... It appears, i'll be one of the only Roys... (if not the only) Roy player attending Apex... I don't recall seeing other Roy's attending.. (that I noticed at least) I could be wrong... anyway... so hype.. I hope I do well.. ^^
camerino1
Smash Lord
You'll do awesome, I know it! Roy will lead you to victory, just like he did with Lycia (I sound so nerdy there 
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V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
wooooot I <3 you ripple! You got this man.. ^^; I just got my net back today, so I haven't had time to scan many things.... I believe in you ^^
Good luck guys! Wish I could be there with you.
camerino1
Smash Lord
I was thinking about Marth and Roy and comparing them, and thinking about what KingClubber had said about Roy and the tip and stuff. What if Roy was meant to be the combo guy, and Marth the faster killer, because Marth has more power at the tip? When they were in making though, because they had to rush Roy a little, being the last character added, they didn't check his hitstun and couldn't fix it up. I mean, it's all in the past and doesn't mean a whole lot, but what if Roy was supposed to have amazing combo attacks that stringed on for a long time? It'd be pretty neat.
sirlaser
Smash Journeyman
Then let's hope the Project M team can find a coder, make a character clone engine/script, and balance Roy there.
KingClubber
Smash Ace
I don't believe that's to be the case. Roy is meant for combo's, but very short 2-3 step combo's. My theory about Roy's tip of the blade is that it acts like a reset, allowing you to do low % damage combo's when your enemy is a mid to high % damage when it's much hard to do these combo's.
The problem i find is that it's done on unnecessary attacks that just makes Roy's spacing problematic.
One of the combo's i was testing was
F-air, F-air(Tipped), F-smash
At high enough damage if you hit with the second f-air (un-tipped) they will get hit to far to finish with f-smash.
camerino1
Smash Lord
But then why give Marth more power, and not make the tip pull inward slightly on Roy's blade? That's the part that seems odd. I just think they gave Roy the poor end of things by having to rush him a little because he was the last programmed character.
-Darc-
Heir to the Monado
Green Roy is the best Roy.
N64
Smash Champion
+1 for green roy is best roy.
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
Of course. Everyone knows green roy is top tier.
camerino1
Smash Lord
Green Roy is pretty good, only one I play as when I'm playing seriously. But now... what's Roy's worst colour? I'm tempted to say gold or blue, personally.
Definitely blue...that yellow lining on the cape...
N64
Smash Champion
is there a roy costume tierlist? Should have one of those imo.
camerino1
Smash Lord
Okay!!!
S-tier: Green
A-tier: Red, Gold
B-tier: Regular
C-tier: Blue
That's the feel I'm getting from you guys, not my personal list (I'd switch around Reg. and Gold)
S-tier: Green
A-tier: Red, Gold
B-tier: Regular
C-tier: Blue
That's the feel I'm getting from you guys, not my personal list
(I'd switch around Reg. and Gold)
-Darc-
Heir to the Monado
Man, I never noticed the yellow lining on blue Roy's cape.
I hate you guys.
I hate you guys.
camerino1
Smash Lord
My favorite pants out of all of his colours though is blue, so even it has its up side
darkoblivion12
Smash Lord
SS tier: Green Roy
S tier: Meatknight, Pyro's Amazing Fox™
A tier: Fox, falco, jiggs, shiek
B tier: Marth, peach, falcon
C tier: Red roy, IC's
D tier: Blue roy, Doc, Ganon, Samus
E tier: Pika, mario, luigi, DK
F tier: Link, young link
G tier: Zelda, original roy, mewtwo, yoshi, g&w
h tier: Ness, bowser, kirby, pichu, gold roy
Ok now let me explain my decisions here. Since I am the best Roy in the world, I know all of his hidden techs, like the wavesmash and the DEDdash. This is clearly what the normal tier list should look like, I do not understand why no one has adopted this yet, but I digress. This is what the tier list will be. Once I win and major national with green Roy I will show everyone how truly broken he really is.
So here is my explanation for the tiers:
Green Roy: He is clearly worthy of top tier. Counterpicking dreamland allows us to blend into the stage and have extra movement options. Players inexperienced playing against green roy will be confused by our movement and will allow us many free DEDdashes. I also like counterpicking green greens, because it gives a bonus to all green characters. How does no one do this? Counterpicking green characters to green greens is nearly a guaranteed win.
Red roy: Unfortunately, picking a nongreen color for roy drops him in tiers significantly. He no longer has the bonus of blending in with the stage. What he does have though is his ability to blend in with the fire. The bright red allows him to conceal himself inside his own attacks and confuse opponents. Fortunately, he is still better than the Ice climbers who we all know can be easily separated by our unpunishable fsmash.
Blue roy: Blue roy loses the bonus of blending in with anything. Fortunately, his speed and cat-like agility make him able to dominate ganon by simply running circles around the punch and punishing with the firecounter (his least laggy response to the punch). This is also the firecounter tier, where everyone is beaten by our firecounter. What the firecounter can do is beat doc's pills and hit him (nearly every time too!). We can also firecounter samus aran's charge blast, enabling us to then finish her off with our DED which is unbeatable.
Original roy: Original roy is where he is on the current tier list. I have decided that original roy loses to many of the other characters in the game. His mindgames are bad and his "fighter's presence" is lacking. Fortunately he still has some of the bonuses gotten by blue roy with his firecounter. Unfortunately, due to his poor movement and mindgames, he will never land it.
Gold Roy: Gold Roy, ah, what to do with him. Seems that I cannot play this character. But I believe that I have deduced why. The character's bright colors stand out far too easily for me to use my secret tech mindgames. I cannot for the life of me play this character. His movement is so limited that I have never once landed a wavesmash. I can barely even L cancel with this one. I am confident that this character is bottom tier for this reason and cannot be changed ever because of limiting movement and mindgames.
Again I encourage discussion of my tier list, but it will not change. This tier list is final and I am going to take to the Melee backroom soon. I'm sure they will change the current one.
My foam sword is the sword that will pierce the heavens.
S tier: Meatknight, Pyro's Amazing Fox™
A tier: Fox, falco, jiggs, shiek
B tier: Marth, peach, falcon
C tier: Red roy, IC's
D tier: Blue roy, Doc, Ganon, Samus
E tier: Pika, mario, luigi, DK
F tier: Link, young link
G tier: Zelda, original roy, mewtwo, yoshi, g&w
h tier: Ness, bowser, kirby, pichu, gold roy
Ok now let me explain my decisions here. Since I am the best Roy in the world, I know all of his hidden techs, like the wavesmash and the DEDdash. This is clearly what the normal tier list should look like, I do not understand why no one has adopted this yet, but I digress. This is what the tier list will be. Once I win and major national with green Roy I will show everyone how truly broken he really is.
So here is my explanation for the tiers:
Green Roy: He is clearly worthy of top tier. Counterpicking dreamland allows us to blend into the stage and have extra movement options. Players inexperienced playing against green roy will be confused by our movement and will allow us many free DEDdashes. I also like counterpicking green greens, because it gives a bonus to all green characters. How does no one do this? Counterpicking green characters to green greens is nearly a guaranteed win.
Red roy: Unfortunately, picking a nongreen color for roy drops him in tiers significantly. He no longer has the bonus of blending in with the stage. What he does have though is his ability to blend in with the fire. The bright red allows him to conceal himself inside his own attacks and confuse opponents. Fortunately, he is still better than the Ice climbers who we all know can be easily separated by our unpunishable fsmash.
Blue roy: Blue roy loses the bonus of blending in with anything. Fortunately, his speed and cat-like agility make him able to dominate ganon by simply running circles around the punch and punishing with the firecounter (his least laggy response to the punch). This is also the firecounter tier, where everyone is beaten by our firecounter. What the firecounter can do is beat doc's pills and hit him (nearly every time too!). We can also firecounter samus aran's charge blast, enabling us to then finish her off with our DED which is unbeatable.
Original roy: Original roy is where he is on the current tier list. I have decided that original roy loses to many of the other characters in the game. His mindgames are bad and his "fighter's presence" is lacking. Fortunately he still has some of the bonuses gotten by blue roy with his firecounter. Unfortunately, due to his poor movement and mindgames, he will never land it.
Gold Roy: Gold Roy, ah, what to do with him. Seems that I cannot play this character. But I believe that I have deduced why. The character's bright colors stand out far too easily for me to use my secret tech mindgames. I cannot for the life of me play this character. His movement is so limited that I have never once landed a wavesmash. I can barely even L cancel with this one. I am confident that this character is bottom tier for this reason and cannot be changed ever because of limiting movement and mindgames.
Again I encourage discussion of my tier list, but it will not change. This tier list is final and I am going to take to the Melee backroom soon. I'm sure they will change the current one.
My foam sword is the sword that will pierce the heavens.
Citizen Snips
Smash Journeyman
Having a large amount of experience fighting Green Roy, and being that I am the third best player on the east coast, I can safely vouch that this tier list is accurate, except for one minor detail. As the Marth boards have pointed out, Marth is a terrible character and therefore is not even deserving of bottom tier. He literally has 0 options and sometimes an electric shock actually runs through the controller and kills the player if they pick Marth.
Why he is above Falcon at all confuses me.
Why he is above Falcon at all confuses me.