Official BBR Matchup Chart v1.0

[Maharba the Mystic]

just for referance pit can pivot grab nado (ill admit it's hard as balls though). his normal grab sucks a fat wad in range but his pivot range is near broken as marth's if not equally broken.

also ya WOI can cancell out a bunch of stuff including MKs glide attack, and if he doesn't do glide attack he's getting daired or baired out of FF WOI

 

[ErikG]

Pretty sure everyone can pivot grab nado

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

i don't think luigi can XD lol idk but it seems like weegee would be some1 to get screwed over in that department. i mean, it's weegee. wat else is there too say?

 

[Seagull Joe]

i don't think luigi can XD lol idk but it seems like weegee would be some1 to get screwed over in that department. i mean, it's weegee. wat else is there too say?

He can. Anyone who doesn't have a tether grab can pivot grab nado. For that to happen, nado would have to be on the same level as the grab.

Pretty sure everyone can pivot grab nado

Not true.

just for referance pit can pivot grab nado (ill admit it's hard as balls though). his normal grab sucks a fat wad in range but his pivot range is near broken as marth's if not equally broken.

also ya WOI can cancell out a bunch of stuff including MKs glide attack, and if he doesn't do glide attack he's getting daired or baired out of FF WOI

Pit's grab range is balls.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

amen, his grab range is terribad. if it was just that much farther it would make my life soooo much easier. but like i said, at least his pivot grab range is good. but it's still too bad his standing grab = pile of ****

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Ganon can also pivot grab Nado, but it takes perfect spacing. Afaik the only character with worse grab range is Ice Climbers. That doesn't bother them though.

I really wish Dedede could standing grab it.

 

[Tesh]

As stated above, if you are extremely precise and the other guy is extremely predictable, you can beat tornado. But obviously you can't pivot grab a head height tornado, so it doesn't matter.

 

[Tarmogoyf]

Ganon can also pivot grab Nado, but it takes perfect spacing. Afaik the only character with worse grab range is Ice Climbers. That doesn't bother them though.

Actually, Ganon has worse grab range than ICs. Straight up worst in the game lol

 

[Judo777]

Actually, Ganon has worse grab range than ICs. Straight up worst in the game lol

It's those T Rex arms yo

 

[Chariot9999]

Hmmm...

Aren't you being just a LITTLE discriminative against Bowser, there?

not only that, I see a LOT of things that are wrong with this chart as well!

Now way Mario's an even matchup against Bowser! Because of Bowser's linear attacks, he can be so easily countered by Mario. Bowser attempts to flamethrower him, side special, side air and up special. Bowser tries to **** him with side special, side or neutral special. Completely in Mario's favor. Should be +3 for Mario VS. Bowser.

And how DARE you give Toon link low matchup values!?
Toon Link's speed and melee attacks are awesome. Zero suit samus stuns are no match for Toon Link's. She can only pull two moves when her opponent's stunned whereas Toon Link can instigate three and STILL have the opponent stunned.


Remake this! This ain't satisfactory

 

[C.J.]

Aren't you being just a LITTLE discriminative against Bowser, there?

not only that, I see a LOT of things that are wrong with this chart as well!

Now way Mario's an even matchup against Bowser! Because of Bowser's linear attacks, he can be so easily countered by Mario. Bowser attempts to flamethrower him, side special, side air and up special. Bowser tries to **** him with side special, side or neutral special. Completely in Mario's favor. Should be +3 for Mario VS. Bowser.

And how DARE you give Toon link low matchup values!?
Toon Link's speed and melee attacks are awesome. Zero suit samus stuns are no match for Toon Link's. She can only pull two moves when her opponent's stunned whereas Toon Link can instigate three and STILL have the opponent stunned.


Remake this! This ain't satisfactory

-DEAD-

Give this man a medal!

 

[NickRiddle]

Aren't you being just a LITTLE discriminative against Bowser, there?

not only that, I see a LOT of things that are wrong with this chart as well!

Now way Mario's an even matchup against Bowser! Because of Bowser's linear attacks, he can be so easily countered by Mario. Bowser attempts to flamethrower him, side special, side air and up special. Bowser tries to **** him with side special, side or neutral special. Completely in Mario's favor. Should be +3 for Mario VS. Bowser.

And how DARE you give Toon link low matchup values!?
Toon Link's speed and melee attacks are awesome. Zero suit samus stuns are no match for Toon Link's. She can only pull two moves when her opponent's stunned whereas Toon Link can instigate three and STILL have the opponent stunned.


Remake this! This ain't satisfactory

Yeah...
Like I said, shouldn't be posting loud opinions like this...

Also, ZSS is, at worst, 0 with TL.
At best, she's +1 or +2.
TL is bad. :D

 

[Conviction]

I died at the mad face.

 

[Steam]

I died at the mad face.

HOW DARE YOU

HOW ****ING DARE YOU

 

[Chuee]

Aren't you being just a LITTLE discriminative against Bowser, there?

not only that, I see a LOT of things that are wrong with this chart as well!

Now way Mario's an even matchup against Bowser! Because of Bowser's linear attacks, he can be so easily countered by Mario. Bowser attempts to flamethrower him, side special, side air and up special. Bowser tries to **** him with side special, side or neutral special. Completely in Mario's favor. Should be +3 for Mario VS. Bowser.

And how DARE you give Toon link low matchup values!?
Toon Link's speed and melee attacks are awesome. Zero suit samus stuns are no match for Toon Link's. She can only pull two moves when her opponent's stunned whereas Toon Link can instigate three and STILL have the opponent stunned.

Hey buddy.
Wanna come to a midwest tourney and money match my Bowser vs your mario for $50?

 

[Count]

Chuee don't act like you go to tournaments

 

[Juushichi]

Count said it before I could lol.

If you do go to a MW tourney I'm at Chuee, I'll MM your Bowser with my Mario for a small amount. My Mario is free, ask Fizzle.

 

[Sage JoWii]

Midwest tournament? Bowsers MM? What thread is this??

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12793668#post12793668

 

[Deleted member]

Count said it before I could lol.

If you do go to a MW tourney I'm at Chuee, I'll MM your Bowser with my Mario for a small amount. My Mario is free, ask Fizzle.

Chuee is going to SiiS5.

 

[Juushichi]

yessssssss, I get to play another bowser

 

[Fuujin]

Tornado itself isn't a big deal, but its surprising speed

Depends on the character.
The slow, floaty characters(Peach, Samus, Zelda, etc) and the really fat characters (Dedede, Bowser, etc) are going to consider tornado a big deal if it makes the match up a lot harder for them.

Chuee is going to SiiS5.

No one from STL wants to go to Siis5 .

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Dedede gets torn apart by Nado.

Like seriously, gayest thing ever.

 

[Fuujin]

Dedede gets torn apart by Nado.

Like seriously, gayest thing ever.

I know the feeling, so does Zelda.

Just had to point it out for the people saying tornado isn't that big of a deal, just because YOUR character doesn't get ***** by it doesn't mean it "isn't a big deal".

 

[san.]

Tornado by itself meant that there are sections where every character can hit nado.

Not like MK is going to provide you that opportunity, though, due to its intrinsic characteristics. Does that make sense?

 

[Deleted member]

Depends on the character.
The slow, floaty characters(Peach, Samus, Zelda, etc) and the really fat characters (Dedede, Bowser, etc) are going to consider tornado a big deal if it makes the match up a lot harder for them.



No one from STL wants to go to Siis5 .

Tell them to man up and make the trip. They're gonna be missing out on a great tournament. Not to mention it has free arcade gaming for the entire weekend.

 

[Fuujin]

Tornado by itself meant that there are sections where every character can hit nado.

Not like MK is going to provide you that opportunity, though, due to its intrinsic characteristics. Does that make sense?

Some characters don't even have reliable options to safely attack its weak spot though, so even if the Mk does leave himself open they aren't likely to get a punish in.
I understand where you're coming from though.

Tell them to man up and make the trip. They're gonna be missing out on a great tournament. Not to mention it has free arcade gaming for the entire weekend.

We went to the 3rd and 4th ones and at the 3rd one there were some... housing misunderstandings to say the least.
At the 4th one a lot of people didn't like the way the tournament was ran,

Spoiler

the whole 9 hour pools thing along with poor organization

so I can't blame people for not wanting to go to this one.

 

[Chuee]

Chuee don't act like you go to tournaments

Yup :/
Though, If I can get a free $50 I may be able to work something out :3

Count said it before I could lol.

If you do go to a MW tourney I'm at Chuee, I'll MM your Bowser with my Mario for a small amount. My Mario is free, ask Fizzle.

Nah, I'd only MM someone with my Bowser if it was free money.
Like that guy.

Chuee is going to SiiS5.

That I am

yessssssss, I get to play another bowser

My boozer sucks.

No one from STL wants to go to Siis5 .

.....I am disappoint.

 

[san.]

Ike's pivot grab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgYcqaELsXw&t=2m20s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6uVaRpC_8Q

 

[Fuujin]

Ike's pivot grab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgYcqaELsXw&t=2m20s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6uVaRpC_8Q

But Ike is bad

 

[Nidtendofreak]

But Ike is bad

You jelly Zelda isn't as good as Ike.

 

[Fuujin]

Just a little bit.

 

[lucka2732]

I think thats pretty fair BUT I dont like gandorf

 

[Tivo]

Meta Knight is the character in this game,
Incredible..!!!

 

[talkingbeatles]

I was shocked Falcon had a 0 in match-ups with Ness. I main Falcon and my brother mains Ness; we're both very familiar with these characters, and I always feel at a disadvantage when we go head to head with our mains.
Ness's fair can really **** up Falcon's game; the cap'n also is a pretty easy target for Ness's bair. I fight in the air a lot, and Ness can easily move around me.
There's a lot more but uh.. I'm late to work, and it's hard for me to make a point without knowing the reasons this was made a neutral match-up.

I realize this might not be the best place to discuss this (really specific) match-up; I was just posting this to see if anyone else came close to agreeing with me.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I was shocked Falcon had a 0 in match-ups with Ness. I main Falcon and my brother mains Ness; we're both very familiar with these characters, and I always feel at a disadvantage when we go head to head with our mains.
Ness's fair can really **** up Falcon's game; the cap'n also is a pretty easy target for Ness's bair. I fight in the air a lot, and Ness can easily move around me.
There's a lot more but uh.. I'm late to work, and it's hard for me to make a point without knowing the reasons this was made a neutral match-up.

I realize this might not be the best place to discuss this (really specific) match-up; I was just posting this to see if anyone else came close to agreeing with me.

U-Air does a number on Ness when he's above you, and Falcon can play the keep-away game really well here. Longer limbs are nice to have if you can avoid Ness's F-Air.

Also, even if grabs don't come all that easily, doesn't Falcon get grab-release F-Air on Ness? I think even is a pretty accurate description, myself.

 

[talkingbeatles]

U-Air does a number on Ness when he's above you, and Falcon can play the keep-away game really well here. Longer limbs are nice to have if you can avoid Ness's F-Air.

Also, even if grabs don't come all that easily, doesn't Falcon get grab-release F-Air on Ness? I think even is a pretty accurate description, myself.

the grab release to knee does work, albeit with precision. Uair is good, but you have to get Ness pretty high in the air, which can be difficult, seeing as how a good Ness player will stay in the air around head level or little higher with Falcon. The long limbs don't help unless you're using uair (obviosuly) or utilt; and dtilt, to some extent.

A big problem is grabbing the kid, as Ness won't be staying long on the ground very often. You've got Falcon's jab, but I still would argue for a -1. Ness's fair, nair, and bair all destroy Falcon because of his height.

 

[Flayl]

What is the Ice Climbers' worst matchup?

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

What is the Ice Climbers' worst matchup?

in my opinion

Diddy, Snake, Yoshi, Toon Link, MK, in that order.

 

[Sinister Slush]

I of course Understand Yoshi and MK being able to defeat IC's. But How does Diddy and Snake keep them away? Diddy with Nanners and Snake with his Grenades before getting grabbed along with the ridiculous amount of Times they think he's dead only to have Lived cause of being so damn heavy?

As for Toon link I have no idea... Camp and never approach like every MU i'm guessing.

 

[Psychoace]

the grab release to knee does work, albeit with precision. Uair is good, but you have to get Ness pretty high in the air, which can be difficult, seeing as how a good Ness player will stay in the air around head level or little higher with Falcon. The long limbs don't help unless you're using uair (obviosuly) or utilt; and dtilt, to some extent.

A big problem is grabbing the kid, as Ness won't be staying long on the ground very often. You've got Falcon's jab, but I still would argue for a -1. Ness's fair, nair, and bair all destroy Falcon because of his height.

Ness is also more gimpable than we are :D