Official BBR Recommended Rule List 3.0

[Black Mantis]

This statement is truly ignorant.

These new stages are truly ignorant and there are people who are more willing to argue with these stages and picking MK than my statement being stupid.

 

[gallax]

maybe we are just waiting until most of the community uses mk then ban him so everyone is stuck without their main. Sounds reasonable to me.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

If you think your character is that bad on PTAD then either dont use him on that stage or just outright ban it.

In combination with the removal of the LGL falco should actually be less of a threat now to some characters since he is horrible at beating planking.

I use falco lol I would love to play on PTAD more if I could ever get the chance. Besides, it is because of the planking that I am for using this stage as falco. It gives him such a needed method to try to prevent planking.

 

[da K.I.D.]

maybe we are just waiting until most of the community uses mk then ban him so everyone is stuck WITH their main. Sounds reasonable to me.

^^what he meant to say.

sounds like a good plan to me, as a matter of fact, ima start practicing my mk again right now....

 

[Kewkky]

Good players making the rules, huh? I suppose Football would have been better off if the coaches and referees would've been players instead from the start, am I right? Totally, the players make the rulesets, question the coaches and referees, and show that they can make the game a better place. They don't just play the game with the rules they're given by those who don't play it, nooooooo, neverrrr!

Moral of the story: being bad at practice doesn't mean you're bad at theory. Same goes for the vice-versa.


And guys, stick with these ruleset for now. Think about it... Anti-ban doesn't think MK is broken, so they shouldn't mind this at all. Pro-ban knows MK is broken, so with this ruleset they'll have even MORE proof of this, and that will help their side more!

 

[Steam]

maybe we are just waiting until most of the community uses mk then ban him so everyone is stuck without their main. Sounds reasonable to me.

If brawl degenerated to that most of the community would be long gone.

 

[gallax]

I use falco lol I would love to play on PTAD more if I could ever get the chance. Besides, it is because of the planking that I am for using this stage as falco. It gives him such a needed method to try to prevent planking.

Well at least the falco players are happy with this list.

 

[BBQTV]

Good players making the rules, huh? I suppose Football would have been better off if the coaches and referees would've been players instead from the start, am I right? Totally, the players make the rulesets, question the coaches and referees, and show that they can make the game a better place. They don't just play the game with the rules they're given by those who don't play it, nooooooo, neverrrr!

Moral of the story: being bad at practice doesn't mean you're bad at theory. Same goes for the vice-versa.

oh snap kewky's in the house **** is going down!


by the way did you vote or have any part with these rules?

 

[T-block]

If you think your character is that bad on PTAD then either dont use him on that stage or just outright ban it.

In combination with the removal of the LGL falco should actually be less of a threat now to some characters since he is horrible at beating planking.

Clarification: There was no removal of the LGL. It wasn't in the 2.0 ruleset either - 3.0 only decided to explicitly state it.

 

[PK-ow!]

I think one of the sentences in the rules needs a change to clarify the intent:


"The Counter/Banned list is a list of stages that may be allowed as a legal Counterpick stage or banned from tournament play based on the tournament organizer's discretion."

^This, should say:

"The Counter/Banned list is a list of stages each of which that may be allowed as a legal Counterpick stage or banned from tournament play, based on the tournament organizer's discretion."

this.

... and actually, since that list is currently composed of two elements, 'each' could be simply 'either'. <_<

EDIT: I'm ASSUMING this was the intent, but maybe it really means what it says. I just found that unlikely.


I love how clean this ruleset is.
Stage striking is getting involved, though.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Well at least the falco players are happy with this list. If this stage was banned would you choose fd?

Depends how the first match went. I mean, if people are planking the first match, having a flat stage does nothing, imo. My mentality would go with something that eliminates that by going with something like Castle Seige. Besides, who would ever ban PTAD? Most people still try to ban stages they feel the other person would pick rather than ban stages that help cover their weaknesses. Not that I think PTAD is ever a weakness to any character. And I am not a representation of all falco players, probably the only oddball that likes the idea of PTAD.

 

[gallax]

Clarification: There was no removal of the LGL. It wasn't in the 2.0 ruleset either - 3.0 only decided to explicitly state it.

Yes you're right. I keep forgetting to mention that.

 

[MarKO X]

I don't think that it's a BBR conspiracy so much as it's just 20 something people making mistakes due their only being 20 something people making decisions that are supposed to affect the rest of the community.

Am I the only one that feels some kind of way when a "character specialist" or otherwise solid player will come in here with some info/data that the BBR could have used in their decision making process, and then a BBR member comes in and says, well why didn't you contribute that information?

Well how could that information be contributed if everything in the BBR is private and can thus be seen only by the eyes of a precious few? Wouldn't it have been better if the BBR forums were at least public? That way if player see a piece of info/data that's wrong, they can address the BBR in some way, shape, or form, show them where that info/data is wrong and how it can be corrected. And then with the correct info/data, a better judgment can be made.

It would prove to be tons more productive than BBR coming out with a given decision and then having a useless thread that does nothing but waste more of the community's precious time.

Seriously, BBR practices do need reform. Like I said, I'm not calling foul play, but I think that Brawl would heavily benefit from more of the community taking a part in acquisition of info/data during the decision making process rather than the rest of the community taking a part in the reaction to the BBR's decision(s).

 

[Chuee]

So I played on PTAD in training mode and here are a few things I found out
1. The bottom blastzone does 15%, and if you're % is low enough it won't knock you up far enough to reach the stage.
2. On the bottom on the transformation without ledges, it can either hit you back up or take your stock you can tell what it will do by the background.
3. Most of the other transformations are extremely long, characters with extremely long ranged projectiles will have a blast on these transformations.

I see the biggest problem with this stage being the transformation without ledges, seeing as how over half the cast will have big problems recovering here, and characters like Ike with really powerful moves can sit by the edge of the stage if you're recovering and Fsmash you if you try to use your recovery move (which will most likely have ending lag) or wait for you to drop down and take 15% and try and punish you from the knockback of that.

 

[WindMajor]

Good players making the rules, huh? I suppose Football would have been better off if the coaches and referees would've been players instead from the start, am I right? Totally, the players make the rulesets, question the coaches and referees, and show that they can make the game a better place. They don't just play the game with the rules they're given by those who don't play it, nooooooo, neverrrr!

Moral of the story: being bad at practice doesn't mean you're bad at theory. Same goes for the vice-versa.


And guys, stick with these ruleset for now. Think about it... Anti-ban doesn't think MK is broken, so they shouldn't mind this at all. Pro-ban knows MK is broken, so with this ruleset they'll have even MORE proof of this, and that will help their side more!

This times a thousand. Just stick with the ruleset, and prove how broken it is. From what I can see, the BBR believes that the stage list is acceptable, but at the same time, they are open and inviting to being PROVED (keyword times a thousand: PROVED) wrong. That's pretty much the entire point! The stages aren't broken until they are proven to be broken.

 

[gallax]

We have much more than 20 people in the SBR. Its just that few of them decide to cast votes.

 

[lordhelmet]

So I played on PTAD in training mode and here are a few things I found out
1. The bottom blastzone does 15%, and if you're % is low enough it won't knock you up far enough to reach the stage.
2. On the bottom on the transformation without ledges, it can either hit you back up or take your stock you can tell what it will do by the background.
3. Most of the other transformations are extremely long, characters with extremely long ranged projectiles will have a blast on these transformations.

I see the biggest problem with this stage being the transformation without ledges, seeing as how over half the cast will have big problems recovering here, and characters like Ike with really powerful moves can sit by the edge of the stage if you're recovering and Fsmash you if you try to use your recovery move (which will most likely have ending lag) or wait for you to drop down and take 15% and try and punish you from the knockback of that.

Good post is good. Perhaps this is what we need to sway these people >_>

I'll have to do some testing on Mansion because the jab lock setups are absurdly ********. And before someone says "don't stay where you can get into that positon" this is Brawl and if they have the % lead you HAVE to go down there.

 

[Life]

How many people are there in the BBR anyway? Anyone?

 

[MarKO X]

We have much more than 20 people in the SBR. Its just that few of them decide to cast votes.

Doesn't matter how many people are in the BBR if your biggest resource, the rest of the community, isn't being used.

 

[gallax]

This times a thousand. Just stick with the ruleset, and prove how broken it is. From what I can see, the BBR believes that the stage list is acceptable, but at the same time, they are open and inviting to being PROVED (keyword times a thousand: PROVED) wrong. That's pretty much the entire point! The stages aren't broken until they are proven to be broken.

This 100000000000x's over. We are willing and open to your findings. But they have to be proven with facts, not theory.

The same issue goes for meta-knight. If he is indeed that broken prove it to us. if anything, recommending no LGL will allow mk's to start planking and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt if hes broken.

 

[Chuee]

I think people have already proven frame-wise that MK's planking is unbeatable when used right.

 

[gallax]

Good post is good. Perhaps this is what we need to sway these people >_>

I'll have to do some testing on Mansion because the jab lock setups are absurdly ********. And before someone says "don't stay where you can get into that positon" this is Brawl and if they have the % lead you HAVE to go down there.

Luigis mansion was a big discussion in the bbr. There was lots of controversy about this stage. Jab locks being a key point. Example snake upthrow>jab lock
and pika uthrow> jab/QAC lock.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Doesn't matter how many people are in the BBR if your biggest resource, the rest of the community, isn't being used.

You mean like ADHD?

LOL strawman

Sorry had to do it.
It is more of a case where the information is either not readily available, or simply not being provided.
A number of times people are asked for their input and they just do not provide it when its needed.

 

[Red Arremer]

How many people are there in the BBR anyway? Anyone?

There are currently 90 members of the BBR, out of which 83 are actual members, 4 are admins, 2 are MLG guys and 1 is Ken Hoang, whom cannot be removed from the BBR due to some reason.

 

[gallax]

I think people have already proven frame-wise that MK's planking is unbeatable when used right.

Yes in theory we have someothing unbeatable but no one has proved it yet in practice. Trust me when i say we want people to go out and do this. Please prove it to be broken in tourney.

 

[Life]

So... we've got 1 in 4 BBR members voting. If you count the number that voted on some, but not all stages (and the fact that I'm probably guessing low there) that'd go up some...

....still kinda low. Eh.

 

[Steam]

Yes in theory we have someothing unbeatable but no one has proved it yet in practice. Trust me when i say we want people to go out and do this. Please prove it to be broken in tourney.

you should probably go out and PROVE these stages arent broken beofre legalizing them.

 

[lordhelmet]

Steam just pulled out the big sausages.

Couldn't have said it better myself

 

[MetalMusicMan]

you should probably go out and PROVE these stages arent broken beofre legalizing them.

This is incredibly backwards and thoughtless. Please think about just how little sense that really makes.

You don't prove something ISN'T broken to legalize it when it's already a part of the game. That is backwards. You leave it, as it is a part of the game, and then if it is proven broken, it can be removed.

 

[WindMajor]

you should probably go out and PROVE these stages arent broken beofre legalizing them.

How can you go to a tournament and prove something ISN'T broken if it isn't legal?

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

you should probably go out and PROVE these stages arent broken beofre legalizing them.

There really is no good way to do that. Some are fairly obvious like spear pillar, but others are not so obvious and therefore the controversy.

 

[John12346]

I think people have already proven frame-wise that MK's planking is unbeatable when used right.

Bang zoom.

 

[ADHD]

This 100000000000x's over. We are willing and open to your findings. But they have to be proven with facts, not theory.

The same issue goes for meta-knight. If he is indeed that broken prove it to us. if anything, recommending no LGL will allow mk's to start planking and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt if hes broken.

*points at Overswam, glares at Jack Picklesworth*

You have to many stage nazis, I'm sorry. They're willing to refute ANY given evidence until the point where the evidence is "BUT THE STAGE ROTATES, AND LAUNCHES 500 LEGENDARY POKEMON AT ONCE."

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

What evidence have you shown exactly? Bonus points if it is something other than "the people who want more stages are bad players!"

 

[MetalMusicMan]

I think people have already proven frame-wise that MK's planking is unbeatable when used right.

Bang zoom.

There is no proof in that thread. Only theory without application. It's technically possible to do many things based solely on frame data, that doesn't mean it is actually possible, though. This is true in pretty much every game, including Brawl.

You can't say that something will happen or is realistically possible just because it is "technically possible".



With what I'm saying above, I'm not saying that it is my personal stance of whether I think it is or isn't an issue. Merely that the above approach is the only viable one for determining if there is an issue to begin with.

 

[ADHD]

What evidence have you shown exactly? Bonus points if it is something other than "the people who want more stages are bad players!"

Well, that was my main point -which is 100% true-.

 

[Steam]

it doesn't have to be a tourney match for players to play it or abuse it to its potential.

plus all of the new CP stages were in CP/banned before, I don't understand how you can just decide to upgrade them by pure theory when we can't do the opposite.

 

[gallax]

*points at Overswam, glares at Jack Picklesworth*

You have to many stage nazis, I'm sorry. They're willing to refute ANY given evidence until the point where the evidence is "BUT THE STAGE ROTATES, AND LAUNCHES 500 LEGENDARY POKEMON AT ONCE."

Haha. You're right about there always gonna be skepticism about stages/the mk issue. We are trying our best to handle these situations to the best of our abilities. We cannot simply ban mk though in the middle of the MLG season though since the MLG is such a huge factor now in our community. This issue will still be around for at least another 4-5 months, giving people ample time to prove mk is broken; whether though planking or just outright safe play.

 

[MetalMusicMan]

Well, that was my main point -which is 100% true-.

It really isn't at all.

 

[KageMurphy]

How can you go to a tournament and prove something ISN'T broken if it isn't legal?

So you want us to be your lab rats for some of these terrible stages in competitive play? Yeah, no. I'm sure between the 80+ members you have in the BBR someone can host an event with this rule set where money is on the line in a competitive environment and see how it goes, not just keep giving us the same in theory bull****.