Official BBR Tier List v7

[Grim Tuesday]

^FourStar; your opinion will not hold weight without results to your name or more solid theory-craft than "aerial dominance".

I like how even when I don't post here, Puff is still mentioned semi-regularly.

 

[-LzR-]

his projectile game is crazy

Wow... no...

 

[pidgezero_one]

Yes, I do. If Tin Man is willing to take a loss again after his experience with Impulse 2012, then I respect him more as a TO for him trying to help the community with no return. I know there's not any real money to be made in Smash, but TOs at least need to break even or make most of their money back to see it as a good financial decision. It really shouldn't be a surprise that TOs don't go into hosting tourneys planning to lose money.

This really makes me realize how fortunate we are in Toronto to have our monthly venue only charge us if we run too far overtime

I like how even when I don't post here, Puff is still mentioned semi-regularly.

i blame my name

 

[Grim Tuesday]

We run Smash at LAN parties in my state, it's entirely run by volunteers and the financial **** is handled by a higher power than us; we just rock up, pay our venue free, and the TO runs the tourney off of his laptop w/ the set-ups we bring + the set-ups the LAN provides.

 

[SoulPech]

I mean...the 4 people that talk about Puff are:

Me
Grim
Stef
Shiny

and I'm ok with this. Also, I'm picking up MK, so whobo HERE I COME!

 

[GOofyGV]

Everyone should talk about puff though. I mean her dair beats MKs nado

 

[B0NK]

We run Smash at LAN parties in my state, it's entirely run by volunteers and the financial **** is handled by a higher power than us; we just rock up, pay our venue free, and the TO runs the tourney off of his laptop w/ the set-ups we bring + the set-ups the LAN provides.

Lan centers, arcades, and mom and pop game stores are great venues, but unfortunately those venues are a dying breed. I can easily think of over 10 lan centers that I used to attend Smash tourneys at that went out of business from 2008 to the present day.

The other downside of lan centers is that you have little control over the venue fee they charge. That usually means no $5 venue tourneys, but the owners are usually willing to charge $8-$10, at most, if you politely explain why the price being higher would receive less attendance.

 

[pidgezero_one]

Everyone should talk about puff though. I mean her dair beats MKs nado

ya

 

[SSBBDaisy]

wtf. Peach needs her own tier.


Booty Tier or Twerk Tier.

 

[ShadowLink84]

But MK doesn't have an infinite.

Bad logic is bad.
Simply having an infinite does not make a match up bad.
It s how easy it is to perform that infinite that can be an issue.

I.e. performing Sonic's grab infinite on Wario is alot more difficult to doing the Infinite on Ness using Marth.

 

[infiniteV115]

Marth doesn't have an infinite on Ness unless he has a wall nearby.

 

[Dekillsage]

Zss's infinite on rob isn't anything like having to beat nado without any moves to do it. Wanting to fight MK as rob over anyone else in the cast blows my mind.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Sonic also needs to be on a slope without a platform overhead or on the edge of a stage with wario not having a jump, bike or fart in order to get the infinite. that goes more into ease of set up that ease of performance. But I think you might have been inplying the former when stating the latter.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Marth doesn't have an infinite on Ness unless he has a wall nearby.

Last I recalled, Marth could grab infinite the Earthbound boys because when released, they suffer 40 frames before the next action can be taken compared to every other character's 30.
DK's is 20 (when he is released I think) and Bowser is all around 20.

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Why did you simply repeat what I said in a more convoluted manner?

 

[da K.I.D.]

because what you said wasnt technically accurate. you said doing the sonic infinite on wario is difficult. Its not. Its hard to get in the position to do it, but actually hitting the buttons to perform it is balls easy.

also, bowser only has 20 lag frames when hes the one grabbing. when hes being grabbed he gets the same 30 frames as anybody else.

 

[ShadowLink84]

because what you said wasnt technically accurate. you said doing the sonic infinite on wario is difficult. Its not. Its hard to get in the position to do it, but actually hitting the buttons to perform it is balls easy.

It was implied since both the Sonic and Marth infinite require you to grab the opposing character as soon as possible, but the setup to perform it is entirely different.
Fair enough though.

also, bowser only has 20 lag frames when hes the one grabbing. when hes being grabbed he gets the same 30 frames as anybody else.

Right and DK is opposite where its 20 frames when released and 30 frames when releasing.

 

[Angiance]

We shall nick name this game! Super Grab Bros. Infinity! (Rated M, for Meta Knight)

 

[ShadowLink84]

I kinda wish Sonic an easily abuseable mechanic.
Like an infinite on Metaknight.

 

[GOofyGV]

Why sonic? Would be more fun of some random low tier had a advantage mu vs mk thanks to some kind of gimick.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Why sonic?

Why do you like Higarashi?

Would be more fun of some random low tier had a advantage mu vs mk thanks to some kind of gimick.

Move Sonic into low tier and we can both be happy.

 

[Dekillsage]

If it doesn't start from grab then it'd probably be worthless in the end.

 

[ShadowLink84]

If it doesn't start from grab then it'd probably be worthless in the end.

It needs to be something crazy like...Sonic has laser priority during Down B, has no hurt box during down B, and can cancel Down B into a Grab.

MMMMMM SPINDASH ALL DAY!

 

[GOofyGV]

Why do you like Higurashi?

Why do you like LoZ?

Move Sonic into low tier and we can both be happy.

I can't be happy with that

 

[ShadowLink84]

Why do you like LoZ?

Why do you like green hair?

I can't be happy with that

We'll move Ike down into Low tier if it helps.

 

[pidgezero_one]

Why is PS1 still legal when Kirby clearly is better-than-metaknight tier on it

 

[GOofyGV]

Why do you like green hair?

Why do you like big hats?

We'll move Ike down into Low tier if it helps.

No I want to move MK down in low tier, Isn't that obvious?

 

[ぱみゅ]

inb4 flamed on for stating that something can be better than MK

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

If Jigglypuff had MK's A moves (aerials, tilts, smashes) and Ground Speed would she be better than MK?

 

[SoulPech]

I kinda wish Sonic an easily abuseable mechanic.
.

I kinda wish Jigglypuff was a better character.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Why do you like big hats?

Why the color red?

No I want to move MK down in low tier, Isn't that obvious?

So high up in the tier list he ends up at the bottom.

 

[TM_icecream]

I like your avi

MM LIKE A SIR

 

[NickRiddle]

Last I recalled, Marth could grab infinite the Earthbound boys because when released, they suffer 40 frames before the next action can be taken compared to every other character's 30.

Marth can regrab Ness/Lucas out of a grab-release, but he moves forward slightly during it.
Get good at mashing, and you get out with about 20-30% across FD. It's actually not THAT good, but it's still pretty good.

 

[GOofyGV]

Why the color red?

Red is amazing, Green hair is godlike and Higurashi is good. Your turn now

So high up in the tier list he ends up at the bottom.

Jigglypuff>MK

 

[ShadowLink84]

Red is amazing, Green hair is godlike and Higurashi is good. Your turn now.

Sonic is awesome, wearing a hat like a sir is also god like.

Jigglypuff>MK

Only if she goes huhuewhfoqhfoqehfaefAH! during her jabs.

Marth can regrab Ness/Lucas out of a grab-release, but he moves forward slightly during it.
Get good at mashing, and you get out with about 20-30% across FD. It's actually not THAT good, but it's still pretty good.

Considering you can promptly Dsmash them afterwards I'd say its pretty nice in a game that generally lacks punishment

 

[Jabejazz]

Green hair is godlike

 

[ShadowLink84]

I kinda wish Jigglypuff was a better character.

*loads SSBM up onto his Wii*

Solved.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

*loads Project M up onto his Wii*

Solved.

fixed

 

[Shadocat]

My good sir, I do believe it is

*loads SSB64 up onto his Wii*

 

[Jabejazz]

onto his Wii

You ****ed up.

 

[Shadocat]

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