What i was saying is that esam and nick riddle along with myself talk about ike being good because were the ones with experience with the best ikes but nobody listens to us even though we are clearly more knowledgable about him than ... Everyone else.
Esam loses to peach but he still thinks shes not the best character. But he knows ike is good.
Also, i dont think kirby is that bad. But hes really hard to be above average with because of his straight forward nature. But chu did some amazing things with him
I will say that ike is good. He has good spacing, Jab pressure and can make it a pain to get out of the corner against. His speed is also good. If you seen San vs Ally, each time San got in, he was giving ally trouble. When Ike is in, he goes IN. And is good and keeping him from touching the floor. Good CQC (close quarter combat), good range, good speed, power. Good pressure. Good edguarding.
The bad thing about Ike is that if he is getting walled, he can have a hard time getting in due to his approachs that are slow. His fair has range, but not fast, So if he is approach from deep with that move, opponents can react to it or snip him with a projectile. It can slow down ike and give the enemy a chance to open him up for hits before he can start his pressure. There is also a lot of characters in this game that can gimp him hard out of his recovery. His defense options are not that good as well. he really does not have good option when pressured. And while he has power, it can be hard to land his kill moves do to the speed. People who can space and evade well can make it a problem for Ike to finish a stock.
Over all, Ike in general is solid. It just goes by how many characters can abuse his flaws well. And How hard it is to abuse these flaws when Ike uses his strengths well to protect those flaws. I think People cry too much about characters weaknesses and not focus much and strengths of them. if that character has a weakness, what should you do? Protect them yea, and how would you do that? By using your strengths. This makes it very hard for characters to punish you for them. People like X, San, shaky and even Mekos doing their thing with characters people call **** and thought they could not do what they have done. There is a reason for that.
- They know the match ups and what they are up against
- They know what they can and can not do.
- They know what they should and should not do.
- They know how the enemy can abuse their flaws.
- They know how they can abuse the enemies flaws.
- They know how to protect their flaws with their strengths against said characters
- They know how to abuse the enemies weakness.
Now this is just you against said character. but this is not the only thing that matters. What also matters is how smart the opponent is. And how smart YOU are as a player. Having god powers means nothing if you can use them well.
Good example of what I am talking about is Peach. We know Peach can't kill. That's her flaw. Now how can I work my way around that flaw so people don't live as long and give them a chance to make a comeback? Peach can rack up damage quick. And has many ways to get in on someone. She also has a projectile that helps when getting in and can be used in many ways. And when she is pressuring someone, she has many ways to open someone up with her mix ups and frame traps. And with the many tools she has, you are gonna have a hella hard time getting her off you as well as getting a clean hit. With all this Peach can get you at w/e % needed to kill you, while still being safe and getting damage.
Thats her flaw and a way to use her strength to deal with it.
Did you know?
- If Peach fairs olimar on shield he is forced to stay on shield?
True story. If Olimar was to roll from my auto canceled fair on block, he is open for 2 frames before he is invincible. Peach fair auto cancel is 0 on block. Meaning Me and my opponent can move at the same time. So with this, he does a roll and I jab, he is getting hit out of his roll. If he tries to side step, he is open for 4 frames before he is invincible. This is a worst option. He has to respect Peach when he blocks a fair. And thing he tries to do, he is gonna get jabbed. He is stuck. When olimar starts respecting me on block thats when I can go for mix ups. Cause I know he wont push buttons. So I can fair to grab. Fair, jab cancel, to w/e I want to open him up.
Most characters have the option to side step Since it happens on they are invincible on frame 2. But I can snipe people out of rolls. And side steps that are invincible on frame 3. This only works if Peach fair at the right height. Or else, even if you hit their shield, you would have not touch the floor yet. Give your enemy more time to evade. Though this problem can be reduced if you ground float a fair. Land at the right time and you get 0 on block. If if you dont, its -2.
