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Oh no...Oh HELLLLL No! disregarding the fact that the average Ness player is better than the avergae Lucas, i'll just stick to the facts. Ness' aerials...better(faster, stronger, greater range). His PK Fire, so much more useful...you think that Lucas' does damage, try one of em compared to the 18% from Ness+ any free attack he wants to throw into it(combos, throws, baseballbat). His dash attack has better range and power compared to Lucas'. His grab, though shorter, has no punishment after a miss; and the resulting throws are far superior. PKT, it's no contest...Lucas' has no usable tail and it is slower than mollasses. His ground game is so much faster than Lucas', whos attacks are all easy to avoid if you are paying attention. So in summary, Ness is faster, has better range, and more useful attacks. Lucas is slow and easy to avoid with minimal range attacks and unfortuante overall gimpability(his PKT may go through things, but given how slow it moves it can be eaten a lot easier). Lucas will never beat Ness...
Stupid twirl?
DEAD MAN WALKING!
Non shield grabbable? What? I've grabbed a snake out of it each time. It has good knock back but decent DI'ing prevents them being actual KO's until over 150%. That's for average weight characters.
youn also forgot the part where it cannot be buffered meaning if you SH or FF it and you land before the move is finished you are going to get punished hard.
Yes its strong but again like many of his aerials it is quite slow and as you mentioned it lags setting you up for punishment. His aerial game while powerful doesn't do as much as Ike's whose aerial game sn't punished as easily as snake's since it has reach and a larger hitbox.
The problem with this is that each time i short hop it for some odd reason the last hit which is the killer does not come out since he lands on the ground before hand. Its a good dair but is limited due to its range and the fact that while it can ack up damage, you can DI out of it and avoid the killing blow and then punish snake.
Its a poor use for edge guarding IMO. invincibility frames while grabbing the edge prevent the explosion from being any good and an opponent can easily hop up and Nair you away. You're better off protecting using your Fair or planting your C4 down since thats controllable. Or your Dsmash.
So does many of the other characters.
Whoa I stopped here.
impossible if they are at a higher percentage. A tlow percentages yeah it could work well but you also face the strength of DIing as well as the fact that while his B moves are powerful they are also predictable due to how obviously they come out.
I don't believe him top tier capable. He is a good character but Marth can easily get by his projectile game since its nowhere near as good as say Dedede and Link's because they come out slowly and can't be followed up as quickly as other characters.
Yes, it is
Thanks for mentioning.Thanks, I used some of this advice, it seems right.
had to dit that=
Olimar is just too good right now, his playstyle really caters well to Brawl's campy nature and all his moves are solid... Only problem is his recovery, but with the floatiness, it isn't that big of an issue. Peach is just meh right now without her d-smash and float cancel, as those were her two biggest assets in Melee. G&W got buffed quite a bit, the last Midwest tournament had G&W's finish in first and second. I think it's too early to tell with ICs, they seem to take a while to figure out unfortunately... and finally, I haven't seen much out of Wario that would put him up that high, but maybe I'm wrong in that regard, but he just doesn't seem to be that much better or worse than anyone else.
Yes, mostly good points, thanks, I edited them in.
Sonic is, by no means top tier. Just because he is the fastest in the game, means nothing.
I still think he can be top tier; I mean, look at Falco in Brawl... One of the worst recoveries in the game, but as long as he plays that fantastically on the stage, it doesn't matter. Not saying this is necessarily the case for Olimar, but I've seen a lot of good ones so far and he's not horribly difficult to play effectively.
yeah i agree too. Sonic probably has HUGE potential. He is extremely fast, and his specials are actually usable. In fact, if you go over to the sonic forum, you will see that several dedicated people are developing advanced techniques. I'm sure the SBR is also finding his potential.
Fixed for great justice.
And so am I, and Falco is probably the best character in the game. Chaingrab into Dair is amazing. SHDLasers and reflector for spam game. Dash attack- upsmash canceling. He's 2good.
sonic is the one thats overrated. toon link and marth are def top tier. dont know much about wolf, but i can say hes better than sonic. gg.
Man,
Tier list = epic fail, G&W belongs at high or top.
No, you don't shield grab his neutral A. If you shield the entire combo, you get pushed back too far unless you have a ranged grab. If you try to grab before the last hit, you get hit before the grab comes out. The only exception to this is power shield.
Yes SH Bair would be horrible, but then again, no one mentioned that. The move is amazing because of the massive hitbox and priority. Snake's head is actually part of the hitbox; it's deceptively large.
It's not a bad move simply because you fail at using it. You can indeed short hop and still land the last kick. I've seen it done time and time again.
It's an outstanding ledge guarding ability. Invulnerability frames are irrelevant if you use it properly. Hop up and neutral air? Are you serious? That's asking to get hit with the explosion while Snake shields.
Poor grammar aside, I'm not sure what your point is here. Snake has a fantastic running move. Yes, there are other characters with fantastic running moves as well. That doesn't change the fact that Snake's is excellent.
Why? i dont mean to get grumpy/mean but i need reasons. All anyone ever says about Yoshi is that he is just a bad character... but why? no one lists reasons
Didn't you read what I said or did you just look at the list?
