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As to this, i've played on the transformation you're talking about (the sideways one) with four people, all fighting well, with no hits.
No, walk offs are not banned because someone can chain grab someone to death (Dedede is only the best example, I'm pretty sure Falco can do that to). In full reality, most characters can use a walk off to KO someone at lower percentages than normal. Here is an example, Squirtle, who is naturally weak, will take a normally long time to KO someone like, oh I don't know, Bowser. Squirtle gets some hits in (50-100% range, way below Squirtle's KO range [which is in the hundreds]). Bowser, Short range, needs to get close to Squirtle. Knowing this, Squirtle goes near the boundary and waits for Bowser to come. Bowser comes in, and with most attacks, he is in close enough for Squirtle to Roll behind him. Squirtle grabs and Dthrows Bowser. If you know Squirtle, you know that his Dthrow can KO normally at around 130%, but due to the close proximity to the boundary, around half of that is enough for a KO. My scenario is more complex than the typical one. The simplest one is camp, wait, grab, Bthrow, KO.
But the cars on Aero Dive still inturrupt this. And the stops don't last long, so the other cahracter could possibly camp as well/ use attacks like fire blast (charizard), inhale (kirby/dedede), waddle dee throw (dedede), bowser's breath...(bowser)..., and etc. to keep the opponent from getting behind them and throwing. I was mainly going off your example to give mine. but still, the walk-offs in Aero Dive are partially avoidable.
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The sideways section has barely any warning for the incoming cars - incoming cars with the potential to KO, might I remind you. Something that powerful and that surprising can't be given legal status.
Being fair to certain characters has nothing to do with what stages we do or do not ban. The only reasons we ban stages is to eliminate unfair tactics, or if the stage interferes with actual fighting. Port Town Aero Drive would fall under the "interfering" category.
its there on some of them,but theres 2 of them that give absolutly no warning,ban
No hazards on Orpheon?
The claw didn't kill ZSS at 100% when I was halfway towards the stage ceiling.
I dunno, I think we've come pretty close - give or take one or two stages. As long as everything on the list was backed up with logic and reason I think we got it.
The thing is, Mute City was the same way and it was a CP. The main difference is that Port Town's cars kill considerably easier than before, making it hard to argue that they don't make a significant difference in a fight.
That's what I'm thinking
$50 MM my toon link vs your anything on Pirate Ship.
Do you happen to have a video about this?
I don't have one of Toon Link, but when I'm on lunch break I'll dig up the one with Game n Watch.
i think that works, but wuya bout' ptad on dbles...no? i think anyone is smart enough (to) in singles, PAY ATTENTION TO THE CARS! if you are dumn enough to stand in the middle of the road at a high precent and get killed by the cars, then you dont deserve to live (on the game XD)
This sounds suspicious. A stage can't be banned simply because this or that character is "too good" on it. But the stalling thing is legitimate - I'm eager to see this video...
We're talking about Pirate Ship. =_=
No it isn't.Thiocyanide said:
I'm pretty sure he is, actually, though some characters also have jab crap they can do on a wall.
I mean, they might have a slight advantage, but they're in no way auto-wins. I wouldn't even CP this stage because it would just help characters with a below-average recovery. Ness would be a better character to use as an example, he can't get gimped easily and his spike dominates here.
Ike, Falco, and etc. can also infinite grab against a wall, and I think Fox and Wolf can wallshine as well. There's a number of abuses a wall has, although interestingly it's not enough to make Rainbow Cruise banned...
It's not that the water gives an advantage, it's that it allows for easy stalling. Stages that promote stalling are banned.
Walls themselves are banned to eliminate abusive tactics - not because of Dedede. I can't think of any stages banned simply because of one character...
Rainbow Cruise is moving so the walls aren't permanent and thus infinites are not possible. Like Delfino Plaza.
