What do you mean "Where to put Ike" I don't understand
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infiniteV115
Smash Hero
***** this ain't the tier list thread
GOofyGV
Smash Lord
Still I mean he does has solid mu's imo only losing to mk -3 and olimar -2
other then that it's not bad at all
or am I wrng with that?
why can't I actualy ask this if there was a sheik discussion where sheik or dk also has been discussed?
seems dumb to me lol
other then that it's not bad at all
or am I wrng with that?
why can't I actualy ask this if there was a sheik discussion where sheik or dk also has been discussed?
seems dumb to me lol
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Ryo doesn't think Olimar's bad.
Claire Diviner
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I'd like to think it's because of his garbage recovery, among other things. The fact that one can intentionally jump into his Quick Draw as he tries to recover with it in order to guarantee he's put into a helpless state, costing him a stock, is a problem. I don't know how often people try to do that, but it's still something that only exacerbates his lack of recovery options. Also, characters who rank above Ike generally have better options against higher tier characters, or so I imagine.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
I never really see Ike players start charging their quick draw from up high, they usually start it when they're just above eye-level with the stage.
Probably cause with proper DI you don't really need to use it too often.
Probably cause with proper DI you don't really need to use it too often.
Claire Diviner
President
True enough, though it doesn't necessarily stop his recovery from being really shallow, unfortunately.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
His recovery isn't his worst aspect.
He just gets punished really hard and can't keep up a constant wall to protect himself.
He just gets punished really hard and can't keep up a constant wall to protect himself.
Claire Diviner
President
Well, yeah, pair his slow and sluggish moves with the fact that once off stage, there's no much he can do if the opponent is good at gimping, and you have a major headache for Ike.
Vinylic.
Woke?
Question; What do you guys think of the 
/ MU?
/ MU?
SaveMeJebus
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It's slightly in Diddy's favor. All Diddy really has to do is camp with peanuts, wait for an approach and punish
Claire Diviner
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Diddy's bananas are a pain, but thankfully, Kirby can remain in the air for a good amount of time to avoid slipping. Of course, he has to land eventually. The problem I see with Kirby is that compared to Diddy, he doesn't have much in the way of mix-ups, so you have to rely on patience and punishing. Of course, I play neither character, so this is based solely off what I've seen in matches. I mean, the MU is about 50/50, so I'm sure there are options Kirby has, but goodness knows I don't know what they are outside of maybe his air game.
GOofyGV
Smash Lord
the mu is even so you are right at that bro
Kirby is kinda slow indeed but he is one of those characters that can stay in the air for a long time. And people need to learn how easy it is to pick up an banana. use an arial with kirby to pick it up get diddy off-stage and gimp him. that's how kirby wants to play. Kirby can actualy gimp diddy fairly easy because of diddy's sometimes predictable recovery. Kirby's bair is like his best tool in the mu.
Kirby is kinda slow indeed but he is one of those characters that can stay in the air for a long time. And people need to learn how easy it is to pick up an banana. use an arial with kirby to pick it up get diddy off-stage and gimp him. that's how kirby wants to play. Kirby can actualy gimp diddy fairly easy because of diddy's sometimes predictable recovery. Kirby's bair is like his best tool in the mu.
Claire Diviner
President
That reminds me, Kirby can just short-hop and catch a banana after he shields a thrown one, couldn't he?
GOofyGV
Smash Lord
everyboday can do that
you can even catch it before shielding it but you have to time it right.
like he throws you jump to it then airdodge and press c-stick to diddy's direction.
and you catch the banana in mid air and throw it right away back to him.
If you can do this then diddy is free for most part. ofcourse smart diddy's can prevent stuff like this but most diddy's can't.
you can even catch it before shielding it but you have to time it right.
like he throws you jump to it then airdodge and press c-stick to diddy's direction.
and you catch the banana in mid air and throw it right away back to him.
If you can do this then diddy is free for most part. ofcourse smart diddy's can prevent stuff like this but most diddy's can't.
Luigi player
Smash Master
Diddy definitely beats Kirby.
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
diddy definitely beats kirby
Shadocat
Smash Ace
diddy definitely beats kirby
thrillagorilla
Smash Ace
diddy definitely beats kirby.
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No, really.
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No, really.
MEOW1337KITTEH
Smash Lord
jiggz definitely beats diddy
D3's grab definitely beats ganon.
D3's grab definitely beats ganon
Edit: Dang! Double post. It didn't load my first one till I posted the second!
Edit: Dang! Double post. It didn't load my first one till I posted the second!
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I wish ::::C
I wouldn't mind if someone would elaborate more on how Zelda v D3 is now -2/+2. Because I had read the writeup and I still think this could be -1.Get back topic already, I want to lurk moar
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Zelda is trash, and DDD is semi-trash. +2/-2
B.A.M.
Smash Lord
No one is ready for the hidden knowledge of So CalJ, usually on aib or busy.
AiB does not have as many features, it's more of a Social Place anyway.
Lukingordex
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> See page 255 with many people that doesn't play Kirby or Diddy saying "Diddy definitely beats Kirby".
> Assume that I don't play these characters too and agree with them.
> Assume that I don't play these characters too and agree with them.
| Big D |
Smash Master
Absolutely. I would love to know exactly how it became -2 for Zelda.
| Big D |
Smash Master
I think it has something to do with DDD being invincible. Not sure though.
Thanks Big D! This is exactly what I was looking for about Zelda MUs, the Zelda players (mostly) intelligent opinions.
Edit: Oh, it's the personal Zelda MU thread... It was just a page I hadn't read yet...
Edit: Oh, it's the personal Zelda MU thread... It was just a page I hadn't read yet...
thrillagorilla
Smash Ace
Actually I do play these characters... Its the main reason I augmented my post compared to the other ones. Then again, perhaps I was the reason you typed "many?"> See page 255 with many people that doesn't play Kirby or Diddy saying "Diddy definitely beats Kirby".
> Assume that I don't play these characters too and agree with them.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
> See page 255 with many people that doesn't play Kirby or Diddy saying "Diddy definitely beats Kirby".
> Assume that I don't play these characters too and agree with them.
Wrong ppp
/40pppmasterrace
Lukingordex
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John12346
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Why not just state the actual post number when you need to refer someone...
RaptorTEC
Smash Champion
Quiet you.
Lukingordex
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NickRiddle
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Not the amount of posts somebody has made, the post number in the thread.
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