I'm not saying anything about hating how many options and wierd things the ice climbers can do. I am saying that ewvery character in this game has a general way they must be played in order to be the best they can be. fox must dahs dance around in order to get in a reflector -> grab-> uair. Falco has to approach with shl. and Ice climbers HAVE to wavedash and dashdance in order to get a grab, and usually thats all you need to take a stock. thats just how it is. Of course every decent player mixes it up and must do something random or distratcing, for ice climbers that is desynching. Its when someone tries to rely on these random things that they show thierinexperience. what I'm saying is: first, learn how to do grab combos and desynchs, then apply the grab combos in match by getting a grab w/ mindgames. once your friends start to catch on or begin to counter you, thats when you whip out ice block chasers and nanapults. as you get better, you will learn to apply everything in a match, and thats how ICs are menat to be played.