PAC-MAN Kill Options

[PEPESPAIN]

I want to share an idea I have.

Our best options to kill are fruit (F12, Bell,key, apple), Fsmash (F18), Usmash (F13) , Nair (F3+5,Near the ledge), Fair (F5+5 to key)

My idea is doing a table for every character like Splebel did with how to punish some of their attacks with a killing option.

Characters | Enemy Move -> Punish Movement| Enemy Move -> Punish Movement (Oos Options)

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| Fsmash -> ?? ; Usmash -> ??

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| Fsmash -> ?? ; Usmash -> ??

What do you think guys?

 

[Splebel]

So the Yellow words are what Pac-Man uses to counter the moves?

 

[Lonpos]

I don't get it (yet) but I would really support this idea! Maybe we could all contribute in a way

 

[ZeoLightning]

I want to share an idea I have.

Our best options to kill are fruit (F12, Bell,key, apple), Fsmash (F18), Usmash (F13) , Nair (F3+5,Near the ledge), Fair (F5+5 to key)

My idea is doing a table for every character like Splebel did with how to punish some of their attacks with a killing option.

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| Fsmash -> Usmash / Fmash / Nair ; Usmash -> Usmash

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| Fsmash -> Usmash / Fmash / Nair ; Usmash -> Usmash

What do you think guys?

and you really counter upsmash with upsmash for the bros? perhaps add doc to this list as well

 

[PEPESPAIN]

Yes the idea is when Mario does a Usmash, how to answer against that Move with a killing move because sometimes I pusnish it with a suboptimal option like grab or anything else. I need to know when can I do a Usmash/fmash

 

[ZeoLightning]

Yes the idea is when Mario does a Usmash, how to answer against that Move with a killing move because sometimes I pusnish it with a suboptimal option like grab or anything else. I need to know when can I do a Usmash/fmash

Properly spaced i dont think PAC can reach with the first hit of upsmash but i dont have the lab work to prove that

 

[Splebel]

You can pretty much punish anything with key so if you don't know just charge to key.

 

[PEPESPAIN]

You can pretty much punish anything with key so if you don't know just charge to key.

Usmash sometimes kills earlier than the key. The key sometimes is a suboptimal killing move

 

[Splebel]

Usmash sometimes kills earlier than the key. The key sometimes is a suboptimal killing move

True but Usmash is riskier. I was also talking in general of a default move incase someone forgets the most optimal punish.

 

[makemesmellbad]

This is all considering that the moves are whiffed, yes? Because it's definitely worth a whole 'nother column for OOS options, I believe.

 

[PEPESPAIN]

Does Anyone know how to change the column caption?
Splebel you did it @ the MU thread, can you tell me how to do it?

Thanks!!!!!

 

[Splebel]

This is the first line in my table:

[table=head] Characters | Pros | Cons | Summary | Most Recent Discussion | Videos

 

[dragontamer]

Does anyone have the cooldown of the various smash attacks yet? Such a chart is trivial to produce if startup -- active -- cooldown were all complete. It would simply be:

On Whiff: Opponent's cooldown vs Pacman's startup

On Shield: Opponent's Cooldown vs Shield Lag + Shield Drop time + Pacman's Startup (Shield Drop being 0 or 1 frame for OOS options)

On Hit: Opponent's Cooldown vs Hitstun + Pacman's Startup

At very low %, some attacks like Gannondorf's DAir can be punished by Pacman's USmash on hit. In fact, PacMan himself has this issue with Fair (being unsafe even on hit vs a grounded opponent below launch percents, especially if you get landing lag)

 

[makemesmellbad]

I would contribute if I had more specifics on the criteria for punishing these moves. Because whiff, block, and spacing are all extremely dynamic factors, and I feel as if the variables are changed in any way, the chart is essentially useless. It may just be my ignorance, but this is basically what frame advantages Pac-Man has in his kit over these moves when whiffed, yeah?

Because it seems like the optimal punish for anything is Pac's new +180% footstool-key drop combo.