Peach is bad?

[dpunkz]

anyone suck using peach? lol seriously she has no good moves at all, its the only player i cant compete with online.. anyone have any good tips?

 

[deepseadiva]

Stickies are wonderful things to read every once in awhile...

 

[Dark.Pch]

Howe about you learn about Peach fully before you go on making threads like this. Also:

EdreesPieces:
9th out of 59 (Aznforce IV Tournament) April 19th/08
33th out of 192 (UCLA VI: A NEW HOPE) May/18/08
2nd out of 23 (Oscular's 562 tounrey) May/31/08
13th out of 44 (North Stockton Brawl Tourney) Jun/07/08
7th out of 58 (Ownapalooza) Jun/8/08
4th out of 65 (Race's -562-Brawl Garage Tourney III: 3rd Strike) Jul/12/08

Bone:
2nd out of 40 (Chula Vista: Brawl Weekly V) 7/13/08

Excel_Zero:
17th out of 122? (FAST 1) 7/20/08

Smesh A.K.A Devon:
3rd out of 64 (Omaha NE Family Fun Center FFC #?) 4/27/08
2nd out of 32 (Omaha NE Family Fun Center FFC #4) 6/29/08

You:
7th out of 40 (M.P.S. Tournament) 5/1/08
7th out of 29 (The Cave V) 6/7/08
7th out of 37 (Cyber Arena I) 6/13/08

Niko_K:
3rd out of 16 (Niko's! Niagara Tri-Weeklies! (Niko's Basement)) Mar/09/08
4th out of 21 (Niko's! Niagara Tri-Weeklies! (Niko's Basement)) Mar/29/08
7th out of 16 (Niko's! Niagara Tri-Weeklies! (Niko's Basement)) Jun/22/08
13th out of 41 (Niko's! Niagara Tri-Weeklies (Grantham Lions Club)) May/31/08
2nd out of 68 (Stratford Brawl) Jun/16/08
2nd out of 17 (SBaN#7) Jul/20/08 (*Nikos Note: Knocked out 4 people from higher PR ranking)

Twilight of Smash 5 (Southminister Church) ??/??/08

• 13th out of 16 (Brackets)
• 9th out of 71 (Pools)

Dark.Pch:
9th of 62 (Montage Presents: The Peak, Already? Princeton, New Jersey) 5/17/08
13th out of 30 (NYC weeklies) 6/??/08
13th out of 76 (Mass Madness 10, Massachusetts) 7/12/08
7th out of 44 (NYC Weeklies) 7/18/08

DraikRoan A.K.A Rowan:
2nd out of 39 (Something2DoWeeklies/Biweeklies Louisville, KY) 6/28/08
1st out of 28 (Something2DoWeeklies/Biweeklies Louisville, KY) 7/12/08
1st out of 22 (Something2DoWeeklies/Biweeklies Louisville, KY) 7/19/08

DM1:
4th out of 16 (All Brawl 2) 6/21/08

If you can't do just as good as these people or better, than the problem is not the character, its the player behind it, nuff said.

 

[Morrigan]

lol, OP is all about online play, go enjoy your laggy matches.

 

[Airgemini]

Do Not Feed The Troll!

 

[~Peachy~]

Do Not Feed The Troll!

Isn't it amazing( or weird) that he hasn't been banned yet?

64 posts too.O_o

Are the mods busy or something?

 

[deepseadiva]

His posts aren't that bad (except for this one). He's just a prime, PRIME example of the word n00b. But yes, this should get locked soon or otherwise we should stop posting. Obvious troll is obvious after all.

 

[~Peachy~]

That's true, but why the Peach Boards.

 

[Blistering Speed]

Because everyone is jealous of her sexiness.....<_< >_>/Float abilities

 

[BurtonEarny]

Agree with meno, I would hate for people to read the stickies... That would take too long for them, and they couldn't waste our time.

 

[Yuna]

I see Dark.Pch is still exaggerating Peach's prowess, as usual.

Most of the high placings occured at biweeklies or triweeklies, minor tournaments with little money and prestige or tournament with a large turnout but a low level of skill ("Family Fun Center"... isn't that the tournament with items?). One single Peach has been able to place 1st.

I wonder why the Top Peaches in the U.S. can only manage the occasional Top 5 placings (because those aren't the only tournaments you guys have been to, I'm sure... Dark.Pch is just picking and choosing the highest placings).

WTH @ mentioning a 33th placement out of 192 as if that means anything. Peach is Low. Not Bottom, but probably Low. At best the lower end of Mid (and considering the gap between the tops of Mid and High and Top, Peach qualifies as "bad", relatively speaking). Get used to it and stop talking as if she isn't, Dark.Pch.

You have to be leaps and bounds better than the opposing Top- and High players to win as Peach.

Yes, you can do just as well as "these players" if you just put enough dedication into your playing... place at most 2nd at minor tournaments or low-level tournaments (except for Rowan who's managed to win local biweeklies)!

 

[Dark.Pch]

I see Dark.Pch is still exaggerating Peach's prowess, as usual.

Most of the high placings occured at biweeklies or triweeklies, minor tournaments with little money and prestige or tournament with a large turnout but a low level of skill ("Family Fun Center"... isn't that the tournament with items?). One single Peach has been able to place 1st.

I wonder why the Top Peaches in the U.S. can only manage the occasional Top 5 placings (because those aren't the only tournaments you guys have been to, I'm sure... Dark.Pch is just picking and choosing the highest placings).

WTH @ mentioning a 33th placement out of 192 as if that means anything. Peach is Low. Not Bottom, but probably Low. At best the lower end of Mid (and considering the gap between the tops of Mid and High and Top, Peach qualifies as "bad", relatively speaking). Get used to it and stop talking as if she isn't, Dark.Pch.

You have to be leaps and bounds better than the opposing Top- and High players to win as Peach.

Yes, you can do just as well as "these players" if you just put enough dedication into your playing... place at most 2nd at minor tournaments or low-level tournaments (except for Rowan who's managed to win local biweeklies)!

Yuna, why.........for the love of god why do you keep up with this? He thinks or is asking if Peach is bad. These results shows that she is not bad. Nor is see goldy. She is a decent character. And that was my point in my book. She is good. Thats it and the point I was getting across.

But no, since your "Yuna" Anything that comes out of me its just "Peach is the best in the game" State where I said that. She is a good character. So quit it with this and go focus on yours already. The ones better than Peach and knock yourself out.

 

[Yuna]

Yuna, why.........for the love of god why do you keep up with this? He thinks or is asking if Peach is bad. These results shows that she is not bad. Nor is see goldy. She is a decent character. And that was my point in my book. She is good. Thats it and the point I was getting across.

Let me repeat myself:
"Peach is Low. Not Bottom, but probably Low. At best the lower end of Mid." = "Peach is decent".

"At best the lower end of Mid (and considering the gap between the tops of Mid and High and Top, Peach qualifies as "bad", relatively speaking)." = In Brawl, "decent" doesn't cut it.

But no, since your "Yuna" Anything that comes out of me its just "Peach is the best in the game" State where I said that. She is a good character. So quit it with this and go focus on yours already. The ones better than Peach and knock yourself out.

Wait... "good"? Didn't you just say she's "decent"? Also, I claimed you claim she's the best or among the best in the game where in my post? I merely criticized you for glorifying Peach, as usual.

And I clearly remember you lambasting me and openly flaming me (and receiving multiple infractions for it) in recent history for claiming Peach is a Low Tier character.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Your a class act dude, so I am gonna put it like this. Peach is a good character, whether you wanna accept it or not. You saw low tier, I say she is in mid. And I have been looking int tournament placings with Peach from all over. She is doing better at them. Tournaments matter more than opinion. And she is doing alright in them. Up to mid tier ranks. She is good, end of story and the tournaments have proved it.

S: Snake, Meta Knight
A: King Dedede; Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, Wario
B: Falco, Lucario, ROB; Donkey Kong, Olimar
C: Ice Climbers, Fox, Kirby, Wolf, Diddy Kong, Pit, Zero Suit Samus, Peach
D: Pikachu, Ness, Zelda, Toon Link, Ike, Sonic
E: Luigi, Samus, Pokémon Trainer, Bowser, Lucas, Mario, Jigglypuff, Yoshi, SheikZelda, Captain Falcon, Link, Ganondorf
U: Sheik

DETAILS
S Rank <Uber>
1 Snake (42 top8, 34 top4, 15 top2, 19 wins) - 1049.0302083
2 Meta Knight (45 top8, 31 top4, 19 top2, 23 wins) - 904.5260416

A Rank <Overused>
3 King Dedede (27 top8, 13 top4, 8 top2, 12 wins) - 520.4552083

4 Marth (28 top8, 17 top4, 5 top2, 8 wins) - 390.5375 - 5
5 Mr. Game & Watch (22 top8, 18 top4, 9 top2, 8 wins) - 383.5239933 - 4
6 Wario (11 top8, 10 top4, 4 top2, 7 wins) - 367.8020833

B Rank <Standard>
7 Falco (18 top8, 8 top4, 8 top2, 3 wins) - 258.885625
8 Lucario (15 top8, 7 top4, 5 top2, 4 wins) - 247.0125 - 9
9 ROB (26 top8, 12 top4, 5 top2, 4 wins) - 244.72125 - 8

10 Donkey Kong (8 top8, 7 top4, 3 top2, 8 wins) - 193.7091667
11 Olimar (17 top8, 9 top4, 3 top2, 3 wins) - 164.921875

C Rank <Borderline>
12 Ice Climbers (4 top8, 7 top4, 3 top2, 4 wins) - 119.68125
13 Fox (6 top8, 2 top4, 4 wins) - 114.83125 - 15
14 Kirby (9 top8, 9 top4, 3 top2, 1 win) - 108.19375
15 Wolf (16 top8, 2 top4, 3 top2, 2 wins) - 105.73125 - 13
16 Diddy Kong (18 top8, 4 top4, 5 top2, 2 wins) - 102.2379166 - 18
17 Pit (7 top8, 2 top2, 3 wins) - 100.1708333 - 16
18 Zero Suit Samus (3 top8, 5 top4, 1 win) - 87.5125 - 17
19 Peach (9 top8, 4 top4, 3 top2, 1 win) - 72.5489583

D Rank <Underused>
20 Pikachu (6 top8, 8 top4, 1 top2, 2 win) - 50.78125
21 Ness (5 top8, 1 top4, 1 win) - 40.671875
22 Zelda (5 top8, 3 top4, 1 top2) - 35.2875
23 Toon Link (6 top8, 2 top4, 1 top2, 1 win) - 32.046875
24 Ike (6 top8, 3 top4, 1 top2) - 29.09375 - 25
25 Sonic (3 top8, 2 wins) - 24.8333333 - 24

E Rank <Never Used>
26 Luigi (3 top8, 1 top2, 1 win) - 19 - 29
27 Samus (3 top8, 1 top4) - 17.25 - 26
28 Pokémon Trainer (3 top8, 1 win) - 17.1875 - 27
29 Bowser (1 top8, 1 top2) - 16.25 - 28
30 Lucas (5 top8, 2 top4) - 15.5625 - 31

31 Mario (5 top8, 1 win) - 10.8958333 - 30

32 Jigglypuff (1 top8, 1 top4) - 7
33 Yoshi (5 top8, 1 top4) - 5.71875

34 Sheik/Zelda (2 top8, 1 top4) - 4.53125
35 Captain Falcon (3 top8) - 2.965625 - 36
36 Link (1 top4) - 2 - 35
37 Ganondorf (1 top8) - 0.71875

 

[Yuna]

What part of "lower mid at most" was too French for you to understand? What part of "the gaps are so big being Mid/decent is nowhere near good enough... the Tops and Highs are just too good" was too Qubecoise for you to understand? Also, how well the lower characters are doing means bupkis. Individual player strength and character popularity plays a huge part in it.

Peach is doing better than Zelda, Ness and Toon Link, all candidates for High and Upper Mid. This doesn't really mean much.

But since you're using that list as proof of Peach's prowess, I'll just use it against you.

Also, 19th out of 37? Wow, great! Especially in a game where the S, A and B rankers are getting several times as many high placings as those in C (of which Peach is a member).

Peach has 9 Top8 placings vs. 42, 45, 27, 28, 22, 11, 18, 15 and 26 from the S, A and C rankers. Peach has 1 win vs. 19, 23, 12, 8, 8, 7, 3, 4, 4, 8 and 3. The odds of the S, A and C Tiers winning tournaments (using this flawed system) are anywhere betwee 1049.030 and 244.721: Peach's odds are 72.548, a mere third of the lowest ranked character in C-rank.

Did you hear that? Peach's chances of winning a tournament is only one third of that of the eleventh "highest" ranked character, who's still leaps and bounds behind the highest ranked characters.

Oh yeah, she's got great odds! She's gonna win a lot of major tournaments or place high in lots of them soon! With enough creativity, Peaches will be taking over the tournament scene within the month!

 

[Niko_K]

Yknow, I never understood why you glorify Peach Dark.Pch..Sure we main her, we should understand all her flaws, accepting them. Not being in denial about how bad she really is.

She isn't the greatest character, though I love playing her because of her style and her fun factor.

Though Yuna, the triweeklies in Ontario are probably Ontario's most competitive Brawl tournaments. Everyone from the PR attends these triweeklies, just a thought.

Peach is a viable tournament character, just not as viable as a bunch of others.

 

[Dark.Pch]

What part of "lower mid at most" was too French for you to understand? What part of "the gaps are so big being Mid/decent is nowhere near good enough... the Tops and Highs are just too good" was too Qubecoise for you to understand? Also, how well the lower characters are doing means bupkis. Individual player strength and character popularity plays a huge part in it.

Peach is doing better than Zelda, Ness and Toon Link, all candidates for High and Upper Mid. This doesn't really mean much.

But since you're using that list as proof of Peach's prowess, I'll just use it against you.

Also, 19th out of 37? Wow, great! Especially in a game where the S, A and B rankers are getting several times as many high placings as those in C (of which Peach is a member).

Peach has 9 Top8 placings vs. 42, 45, 27, 28, 22, 11, 18, 15 and 26 from the S, A and C rankers. Peach has 1 win vs. 19, 23, 12, 8, 8, 7, 3, 4, 4, 8 and 3. The odds of the S, A and C Tiers winning tournaments (using this flawed system) are anywhere betwee 1049.030 and 244.721: Peach's odds are 72.548, a mere third of the lowest ranked character in C-rank.

Did you hear that? Peach's chances of winning a tournament is only one third of that of the eleventh "highest" ranked character, who's still leaps and bounds behind the highest ranked characters.

Oh yeah, she's got great odds! She's gonna win a lot of major tournaments or place high in lots of them soon! With enough creativity, Peaches will be taking over the tournament scene within the month!

You say she is low tier and w/e. I say she is not. Nothing more to get at about this.

Who cares about odds, where did I say she was gonna win tournaments in here. Does she have the ability too? in a gods hand like Mike G it can happen. Mike G brawl version so you wont think I am comparing the 2 games. Talking about Peach in the right hands) Ether way I could care less if she wins a tournament. For it is not what I am getting at.

And if Peach is doing better than oh...Zelda and toon link, then player skills is what matters, not picking a high tier and expecting to just win cause...they are high tiers.

And if you wanna get to her getting to the lowest of C rank. In melee Peach was the lowest of high tiers...........reguardless she was a high tier and there is no changing that. You go on about this based on what characters can win tournaments easy it seems. Enough with Peaches chances about winning one. Thats not what this is about. This is about Peach being a good character, not about her winning a tourny.

 

[Yuna]

Can Mike G.'s Peach beat M2K's Meta-Knight, though? Or come even close to doing so? Assuming one character is being played by one of the best players in the nation forces you to assume the same applies for the opposing character, as well.

Niko K, that's where I disagree. She's viable, if by viable you mean "Can place Top 12". But she cannot win. She cannot win major tournament on a high level unless the Peach player is vastly superior to their opponents. The stacks are that stacked against her.

I'll use my often-used term: "She's good, but there are so many others who are amazing". Peach can really compete against the other Mids. And some of the Highs. But that's it.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Can Mike G.'s Peach beat M2K's Meta-Knight, though? Or come even close to doing so? Assuming one character is being played by one of the best players in the nation forces you to assume the same applies for the opposing character, as well.

Niko K, that's where I disagree. She's viable, if by viable you mean "Can place Top 12". But she cannot win. She cannot win major tournament on a high level unless the Peach player is vastly superior to their opponents. The stacks are that stacked against her.

I'll use my often-used term: "She's good, but there are so many others who are amazing". Peach can really compete against the other Mids. And some of the Highs. But that's it.

Did you get my reason for saying Mike G? I'm just gonna ask that before I go more into it.

And your often said term is my point here. Expect Its like this.

"Peach is a good character. She can compete with other characters well, even high tiers. Winning though is a pain in the azz but not impossible. While she may not win tournaments unless in the hands of a god, she can compete in them and do well. Also this applies to the players skill"

I am not saying she is a god or a beast character, nor am I am saying she is useless and cant do anything. She is just about right. My vote would be for her to be mid. But we have not seen any Peach players with the mind that Mike G had in melee for brawl. No Peach in brawl has come close to that. I think one person will though and I wanna see how far he will take Peach (and no I don't mean me)

 

[BurtonEarny]

so your saying she cant beat a mk? If your saying that then you might as well call the rest if the characters garbage as well because mk beats everyone. M2k or not. You cant say that Peach cant win because of that, because then you would have to say it about everyone. My god I get so sick of people saying "oh this character cant win because of mk or snake or falco or wario or ddd". Peach asctuall has good matchups against half of these characters. I'm not saying shes great, but to say she isn't competitive is wrong.

 

[Yuna]

so your saying she cant beat a mk? If your saying that then you might as well call the rest if the characters garbage as well because mk beats everyone. M2k or not. You cant say that Peach cant win because of that, because then you would have to say it about everyone.

Funny, there's quite a few characters with a neutral matchup against Meta-Knight.

My god I get so sick of people saying "oh this character cant win because of mk or snake or falco or wario or ddd".

It's not that it's not a 50/50 or advantageous matchup, it's how disadvantageous it is.

Peach asctuall has good matchups against half of these characters.

Neutral =/= Good matchup
Not getting destroyed =/= Good matchup
Only a slight disadvantage =/= Good matchup

Proof?

I'm not saying shes great, but to say she isn't competitive is wrong.

No one said this.

Did you get my reason for saying Mike G? I'm just gonna ask that before I go more into it.

Not really.

And your often said term is my point here. Expect Its like this.

Only it's not what I'm saying at all.

"Peach is a good character. She can compete with other characters well, even high tiers. Winning though is a pain in the azz but not impossible. While she may not win tournaments unless in the hands of a god, she can compete in them and do well. Also this applies to the players skill"

Only she can't. If a god wields Peach, then we must assume she's going up against gods wielding DeDeDe, Falco, Snake, Meta-Knight, Marth, etc., etc. on her way to victory.

And Peach is just not that good. She can compete and do well... if the tournament consists of only lower level players or Mid Tiers. Against the Highs and Tops, she stands almost no chance.

I am not saying she is a god or a beast character, nor am I am saying she is useless and cant do anything. She is just about right. My vote would be for her to be mid. But we have not seen any Peach players with the mind that Mike G had in melee for brawl. No Peach in brawl has come close to that. I think one person will though and I wanna see how far he will take Peach (and no I don't mean me)

In Brawl, being Mid means you won't be doing very well in tournaments unless you by chance have good matchups against the Tops and Highs (which Peach doesn't).

 

[Dark.Pch]

The mike G comment was just an example of someone with a mind of his can do even against odds that Peach has and how far he can take her.

Jiggs was mid tier in melee. And there were reasons for that. But someone with the mind of mango did his justice and won pound with jiggs. Now now, lets not get into what I think you will. Point of this being. With minds like that, Peach could place better than people think as it stands. Mike G did it with Peach, Mango did it with jiggs. Wes/Hugs with Samus. Imagine a Peach player with the mind of M2k or Azen. Even with the mind of those 2 I am not saying she would win a tournament........or would she. I am saying he make it further than she is currently doing right now.

So being a mid tier does not make it hopeless. But you will have work ahead of you.

 

[BurtonEarny]

mk- loss
snake- nuetral maybe just under
ddd- nuetral
wario- nuetral
falco- loss

 

[Morrigan]

Imagine a Peach player with the mind of M2k or Azen..

If only one of these pros were supergay. Female characters would get lots of props.


/offtopic

 

[Azen Zagenite]

=^_^=

I like Peach a lot, she's probably one of my best chars lolll.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

@Yuna: brutal toward Peach and her chances............. but them the facts i guess.......

 

[Morrigan]

I like Peach a lot, she's probably one of my best chars lolll.

wth? lol..

sarcasm much?

 

[Azen Zagenite]

=^_^=

I like Peach against most chars except for like Marth/MK, been using her as a secondary in tournies recently. Peach is mad good!

 

[Niko_K]

I love how Dekuu didn't believe you liked peach. Epic.

I have the exact same feeling about peach that you do Azen, Marth and MK are just *****es to fight against. Hope you bring some new stuff to the peach boards, if you even continue posting in this fanboy filled place.

 

[Azen Zagenite]

=^_^=

I dunno about sticking around here, Lucario is way sexier than Peach! :3

 

[XERAMPELINAE]

Imagine a Peach player with the mind of M2k or Azen...

If only one of these pros were supergay. Female characters would get lots of props.


/offtopic

I dunno about sticking around here, Lucario Marth is way sexier than Peach! :3

=3 BTW, can someone please flatter me?

 

[Morrigan]

I dunno about sticking around here, Lucario is way sexier than Peach! :3

You don't get to kill people using Lucario's butt, do you? Do you?!
Peach is sexier.

 

[Mikey Lenetia]

I love how Dekuu didn't believe you liked peach. Epic.

I have the exact same feeling about peach that you do Azen, Marth and MK are just *****es to fight against. Hope you bring some new stuff to the peach boards, if you even continue posting in this fanboy filled place.

That was pretty funny. ^_^

I kinda don't post much here for the same reason. Sure, I'm a fan of Peach, but part of breaking through with a character is accepting they have limits. I was a Peach main in Melee, and never won a single big tournament. I'm probably going to wind up a Peach main in Brawl, too, and I expect the same results. She isn't an outstanding character that can easily trounce every character by just existing, she is a good, possibly great character that needs to work for everything again, just like she did in Melee. The sooner people accept this, the sooner we can actually try and find out why she isn't that great against x character, and see if there IS anything we can do about it or not. Blindly arguing the same thing over and over again is getting all of us no where.

 

[da K.I.D.]

I dunno about sticking around here, Lucario is way sexier than Peach! :3

true dat son

 

[Dark.Pch]

I like how I come off as a dumb fan boy when I only state that Peach is good. Not godly and not horrible, in the middle. And people are thinking that I am saying she is a goddess and will/should be winning tournaments.

You think I don't know she has limits? You think I dont know how hard it is? for crying out loud I go only Peach. I know and seen it all. And cause of that I am a blind fanboy.

Seriously sometimes people just never get it. Maybe I should just convert to snake. Since my words always get twisted as a dumb fan boy and means nothing around here. this is pointless.

 

[Kitamerby]

You don't get to kill people using Lucario's butt, do you? Do you?!
Peach is sexier.

No. You instead can either kill them with your tail or with your invisible, bull**** hitboxes. (Usmash ahoy!) =3

 

[Yuna]

The mike G comment was just an example of someone with a mind of his can do even against odds that Peach has and how far he can take her.

Blind optimism.

Jiggs was mid tier in melee. And there were reasons for that. But someone with the mind of mango did his justice and won pound with jiggs.

As I've already told you, those of us who are experienced in Melee knew that Jiggz could win major tournaments. Why? Because the gaps between the tiers were much smaller back then (I just told you this again a post or two ago in this thread). Being Mid in Brawl means much less than being Mid in Melee. They're not the same game.

Mids have a much harder time competing with Top and High than in Melee. That is why Peach won't win. Because she's, at best, Lower Mid.

With minds like that, Peach could place better than people think as it stands. Mike G did it with Peach, Mango did it with jiggs. Wes/Hugs with Samus.

High and Mid characters all with good pretty even matchups against the Tops and Highs (as opposed to Peach)

So being a mid tier does not make it hopeless. But you will have work ahead of you.

In Brawl it does.

mk- loss
snake- nuetral maybe just under
ddd- nuetral
wario- nuetral
falco- loss

This equals "good matchups", how? "good matchups" implies an advantage. I told you that "good matchups" is not the same as "doesn't get eaten for breakfast/pretty even" in my previous post. And where's Mr. Game & Watch? He eats her for breakfast. How is Peach vs. DeDeDe neutral?! Falco vs. Peach? Not in a million years. Snake and Wario are far from neutral as well.

What are you basing this on, anyway? Your "opinion"?

I like how I come off as a dumb fan boy when I only state that Peach is good. Not godly and not horrible, in the middle. And people are thinking that I am saying she is a goddess and will/should be winning tournaments.

"Good" implies she's, you know, good. Which she isn't. She's, at best, mediocre, because that's what Mid Tier is in Brawl. And that's at best.

You think I don't know she has limits? You think I dont know how hard it is? for crying out loud I go only Peach. I know and seen it all. And cause of that I am a blind fanboy.

I could easily drag up quotes where you spout off as if she can and will win tournaments. Don't make me do it as it will make you look like a fool.

 

[clowsui]

...wow Yuna's blasting dudes again.

Anyways Peach isn't in the pits like CF but she's certainly not that great...a lot of her approaches are quite easily shielded, her game relies a lot on prediction and exact punishment (two things that are hard to do in Brawl given the ease of defensive options) and her lack of quick killers.

 

[Dark.Pch]

You know what?, Now I really dont give a ratz azz anymore. You, Niko and the others that think I am a stupid fanboy. I have said she can and will win tournaments. But where here have I freaking said that in this thread. my point of posting what I did to the OP was to show that Peach is a good character. And you people take it as a freaking fanboy that does not know anything.

How bold can I freaking explain this to you? You can go ahead and bring those post up. I don't care, once again, not the freaking point here. Point is, Peach is a good character. Lewt me do this......

My point is Peach is good nothing more or less
My point is Peach is good nothing more or less
My point is Peach is good nothing more or less
My point is Peach is good nothing more or less
My point is Peach is good nothing more or less
My point is Peach is good nothing more or less
My point is Peach is good nothing more or less
My point is Peach is good nothing more or less

"Peach is a good character. She can compete with other characters well, even high tiers. Winning though is a pain in the azz but not impossible. While she may not win tournaments unless in the hands of a god, she can compete in them and do well. Also this applies to the players skill"

"Peach is a good character. She can compete with other characters well, even high tiers. Winning though is a pain in the azz but not impossible. While she may not win tournaments unless in the hands of a god, she can compete in them and do well. Also this applies to the players skill"

"Peach is a good character. She can compete with other characters well, even high tiers. Winning though is a pain in the azz but not impossible. While she may not win tournaments unless in the hands of a god, she can compete in them and do well. Also this applies to the players skill"

"Peach is a good character. She can compete with other characters well, even high tiers. Winning though is a pain in the azz but not impossible. While she may not win tournaments unless in the hands of a god, she can compete in them and do well. Also this applies to the players skill"

Do you freaking get it now? Do I need to make the fonts bigger for you to see?

Let me see, how esle can I say this.............Peach has her limits, her pros and her cons. She is in the middle, not terrible, and not up there, she is in the midde.

Not good enough for you?...still see me as stupid fan boy? hmm...........what esle can I say. I recall saying all the time that Peach is hard as hell to win with, I even said this in my freaking peach guiede.........but holy crap.....I dont know her limts. I dont know what a pain it is to win against better characters. WTF do I know. I am a Peach only main that goes to tournaments, even out of my state to view different competition and skills. Buit oh wait.....Im just a fanboy defending his character that he mains. So if he said that Peach has her limts and is mid tier and can do well in tournaments........wait let me bold this for you " well" in tournaments, he is just a damm fanboy that does not know any better.

aww man, still not good enough, fanboy much? I'm out of idea, I said all that I can say that says that I think Peach is just fine. Good, in the middle..........damm any other words to explain this. Let me say it once more for the hell of it...."Peach is a good character. She can compete with other characters well, even high tiers. Winning though is a pain in the azz but not impossible. While she may not win tournaments unless in the hands of a god, she can compete in them and do well. Also this applies to the players skill"

Stiil not good......oh man Im just a confused fanboy that knows nothing.

 

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^ lol I thought this kind of drama was only for furries?

Anyway, I still don't really understand why Peach is considered bad. Does she have a bad approach or something?