Personal matchup thread.

[Seagull Joe]

You know the drill W0fl's. Personal matchup thread end of year 2010 time:

- 45-55
- 45-55
- 55-45
- 40-60
- 40-60
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 40-60
- 40-60
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 51-49 (Port priority)
- 60-40
- 55-45
- 45-55
- 60-40
- 55-45
- 65-35
- 55-45
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 70-30
- 70-30
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 70-30

 

[Choice]

D3 doesnt exist anymore? =p

 

[Ishiey]

You've made like three of these threads in the past six months @___@ lol but I suppose it's a good idea, to see what things are like at the end of the year (I'm making this more of an opinion list instead of how I do in matchups so much, because I know I lack the patience for some things). Maybe we should have one of these every six months or something, so we can look back in time and see how our interpretations of matchups change and whatnot :3 Seems like yours have changed quite a bit, and I agree with almost all of them, at least a lot moreso than last time :o You forgot D3, ZSS, and PT on your list though >_> and I added in Sheik/Zelda just because I can

- 45-55 even though I suck at dealing with tornado :<
- 45-55
- 55-45
- 45-55 (I hate it when Falco gets the lead )
- 40-60
- 50-50
- 50-50 even though I suck at the matchup lol, Kain does work :3
- 55-45
- 40-60
- 40-60 even with the infinite/smallstep allowed ;D
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 50-50 (I blame usmash and my inability to multitask)
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 50-50 (I really don't have a good enough idea though tbh)
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 100:0 based on Barracuda Drifter's will
- 50-50 (same as with Pit, need to play someone who can use both characters effectively but this is temporary)
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 55-45 (can't kill... )
- 55-45
- 55:45 overall; 50-50 , 55-45 , 55:45
- 60-40 (I gotta learn how to play using four moves lol)
- 60-40 (still need to play PF X_x)
- 55-45
- 60-40 (might be a bit closer to even... never seen top-level Bowser play)
- 65-35
- 65-35
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 65-35

Basically, from this list, our three "counters" are Wario, Pikachu, and DeDeDe (all of which are definitely winnable), with our other uphill matchups being MK, Snake, and Falco. This takes into account stage CPs and whatnot, assuming no character switching. So... 6 disadvantageous matchups and 6 neutral matchups... not bad, except our top-tier matchups are generally not so great :/

 

[Seagull Joe]

D3 doesnt exist anymore? =p

I forgot D3, Pt, and Zss. Whoops. I put them in too.

And Arda, I've only done this thread twice this year. Time for something mildly productive .

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Wolf does not beat Diddy.

 

[tekkie]

Wolf does not beat Diddy.

agreed

- 40-60
maybe 45-55 if they dont know the matchup
- 40-60
- 45-55
50-50 or even 55-45 if theyve never heard of wolf before
- 45-55
- 40-60
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
olimar is still pretty good guiz
- 35-65
- 35-65
maybe 40-60
- 45-55
his bair >>>> our bair and everything else, same with his killing moves
- 50-50
stupid disjoints
- 50-50
she is anorexic AND bulimic and weighs 2 pounds
- 50-50
i dont see it going either way
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 50-50
really unsure about this one i could see it fluctuating either way
- 75-25 black wolf's favor
- 60-40
- 55-45
- 45-55
40-60 at worst
- 55-45
**** fair
- 55-45
- 65-35
- 55-45
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 65-35
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 70-30
lol camping


honestly everything tips like 5-10 points in wolf's favor if they dont know the matchup.

 

[KRDsonic]

Based on how I do in the matchups, eh...

- 45-55
- 45-55
- 40-60 (Gnes and Fliphop always 2 stock me, but I beat other diddies)
- 55-45 (Falco is pretty easy IMO. It almost feels like a ditto to me, except we kill easier)
- 40-60
- 45-55
- 40-60
- 50-50
- 35-65 (Only if the Pika plays REALLY gay)
- 40-60
- 45-55
- 50-50
- 45-55
- 60-40 (I have a lot of Toon Link experience so the only way Toon Link can beat me is if they're better than me)
- 60-40
- 45-55
- 50-50
- 45-55
- 45-55
- 45-55 (I've always believed this was slightly in DK's favor, and I talked to Neon about the matchup, a legit DK, and he said he thought the matchup is either 40-60 or 45-55 DK's favor)
- 65-35 (I also have a lot of experience in this matchup. For some reason Luigi is just so... easy for me to fight. I know how to mess up his recovery)
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 60-40
- 45-55
- 55-45
- 45-55
- 35-65 (Polt and Yosh )
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 55-45
- 60-40
- 65-35
- 65-35
- 60-40
- 55-45

 

[castorpollux]

IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR AGAIN....

Christmm.....SEAGULL PERSONAL MATCHUP THREAD TIME IS HERE!

 

[Deleted member]

- 45-55
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 55-45 (He's not that hard. :/ )
- 45-55 (The Warios I've played can't keep the CG going long enough to make it a threat. Given that it's percentage dependant...yeah).
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 40-60
- 40-60
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 45-55
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 60-40 (Can't touch this)
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 60-40
- 45-55
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 65-35
- 50-50
- 60-40
- 65-35
- 55-45
- 60-40
- 65-35
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 70-30

 

[Laem]

all numbers presume current metagame

- 40-60
- 40-60
- 45-55
- 40-60
- 45-55
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 40-60
- 40-60
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 45-55
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 60-40
- 55-45
- 40-60
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 65-35
- 60-40
- 55-45
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 65-35
- 65-35
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 70-30

Nothing radical

 

[MegaRobMan]

Since this is PERSONAL match-ups.

- 40-60
- 35-65
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 60-40
- 55-45

- uggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I just run into grabs so 10-90
- 50-50
- 60-40

- uggghhhhhhhhhhh, I just jump into grabs so 30-70
- 60-40
- 65-35
- 60-40

- 60-40 (I'll beat MJG next time we play :-o)

- 40-60 (bad at this matchup)

- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40

- 53-47 (this matchup is really close IMO, unless I just abuse the shine).
- 60-40
- 55-45

- 45-55 (lost my only wolf ditto set, even though I ***** him in friendlies 2 hours before hand)

- 100-0

- 65-35 (I haven't played Mr. Doom, yet.)

- I haven't played a sheik in almost forever, and when I used to I'd just go Marth. But I think this is a slightly disadvantageous matchup, so 55-45

- 65-35

- Squirtle is the most overrated piece of crap in the game, 65-35, Ivysaur sucks 65-35, Charizard is the man and should be feared 55-45. Charizard is my new "friendly main" along with Luigi and Link.

- 65-35

- 55-45 (I think Lucas could be a counter)

-I haven't played a Mario in almost forever, but I imagine it would be 60-40. The cape is scary.

- 60-40
- 70-30

- I have A LOT of Samus experience, another match up where going Marth is LOL fun, but I digress, 70-30

- I haven't played a Jiggs in almost forever, but... 65-35
- 65-35
- 70-30
- 55-45...if you only play neutrals it's 65-35, but CP's SIGNIFICANTLY help ganon.

 

[Deleted member]

- 50-50
- 60-40

Falco, yay!

Wario, o___O How are you beating Wario's that badly?

 

[JCav]

- 40-60
- 40-60
- 45-55
- 40-60
- 45-55
- 40-60
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 40-60
- 40-60
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 50-50
- 60-40
- 50-50
- <3
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 40-60
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 65-35
- 65-35
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 70-30

 

[satowolf]

- 45-55
- 45-55
- 55-45
- 50-50 (i don't play a lot of falcos but it's not a bad matchup)
- 40-60
- 40-60
- 30-70 (those grabs....i suck)
- 55-45 (i don't play a lot of -pro- olimars)
- 40-60 (dam rat..)
- 40-60
- 55-45
- 55-45
- 50-50 (not a bad matchup. I actually enjoy this one)
- 40-60 (bombs, boomerangs, arrows, he defies gravity...i hate him.)
- 55-45
- 50-50
- 30-70 (i hate this guy...i really really hate this guy..)
- 50-50
- 55-45
- 45-55 (don't know the matchup that well)
- 55-45
- 80-20 (you're good....but i'm better!)
- 60-40
- 45-55 (i hate ike.....)
- 45-55
- 60-40
- 55-45
- 60-40 (starting to understand the matchup)
- 45-55 (....that accursed dtilt!)
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 70-30
- 70-30
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 80-20 (that dair.....)

gotta step up my game with wolf

 

[castorpollux]

- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90



Usually if i happen to win a match, it's caz i horribly outplayed the guy

 

[_Kain_]

- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90



Usually if i happen to win a match, it's caz i horribly outplayed the guy

u beat me to it...i hate u so much right now

 

[Zync]

This looks fun so ill do mine :3

- 35-65
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 45-55
- 40-60
- 60-40
- 50-50
- 70-30 Seriously lol
- 30-70
- 40-60
- 40-60
- 60-40
- 60-40
- 40-60 I always do better with marth here
- 60-40
- 65-35 I think wolf is just ALL better
- 40-60 Did i mention i got ***** by a rob? lol
- 65-35
- 60-40
- 70-30 Camp = win lmao
- 65-35
- - 50-50
- 55-44
- 65-35 (i hate ike too) but i think he sucks
- 40-60
- 100-0 Grab release :3
- 55-45
- 60-40
- -65-35 Grab release :3
- 65-35
- 100-0
- 60-40
- 70-30
- 70-30
- 80-20
- 65-35
- 150-minus50

Yay for wolf!

 

[Deleted member]

- 50-50 (i don't play a lot of falcos but it's not a bad matchup)

It really isn't.

Me, you, KRD, Luminoth, and MegaRobMan all should teach the other wolves what's up.

 

[castorpollux]

It really isn't.

Me, you, KRD, Luminoth, and MegaRobMan all should teach the other wolves what's up.

but KRD is the worst wofl on smashboards O_O_O_O_O


ARE U CLAIMING HE ISN'T?!

 

[Deleted member]

I'm tied with him.

I lost to the French, remember?

 

[Choice]

- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90
- 10-90



Usually if i happen to win a match, it's caz i horribly outplayed the guy

the ganon mu is worse than that.

 

[MegaRobMan]

It really isn't.

Me, you, KRD, Luminoth, and MegaRobMan all should teach the other wolves what's up.

Falcos grab range sucks compared to D3 who I have problems with. Reason? Space Bear is super easy against Falco, unless he pivot grabs. That's about all there is to it, Wolf beats Falco in every phase of the game, just play careful as hell until 50%

Spoiler

or the entire matchup lol

 

[Laem]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

play good falcos pls.

 

[Deleted member]

Falcos grab range sucks compared to D3 who I have problems with. Reason? Space Bear is super easy against Falco, unless he pivot grabs. That's about all there is to it, Wolf beats Falco in every phase of the game, just play careful as hell until 50%

Spoiler

or the entire matchup lol

Nah, just play it safe until mid-30 percent.

And Laem, there are great Falco's in my region, lol. Just learn the MU.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Auspher, T has a LOT more match-up experience against Falco than you do. I also only know of one "great" Midwest Falco player so I doubt you know the match-up as well as him.

 

[KRDsonic]

Falco is one of those characters that I know extremely well and do well against no matter what character I use, so I've never had problems against them.

 

[Deleted member]

Auspher, T has a LOT more match-up experience against Falco than you do. I also only know of one "great" Midwest Falco player so I doubt you know the match-up as well as him.

I know the MU well enough to know that Wolf goes even with Falco. Learn to play him.

Shugo, Arty, W.T.P., Denzi and some others are all from my region. We have good Falco's here, lol.

 

[Zync]

OMG guys just ban FD and you will do GREAT vs falco

 

[Deleted member]

^Pretty much this.

 

[_Kain_]

I know the MU well enough to know that Wolf goes even with Falco. Learn to play him.

Shugo, Arty, W.T.P., Denzi and some others are all from my region. We have good Falco's here, lol.

Have you beaten the Falco's 5/5 so that you can support your claim that it is even?

 

[Seagull Joe]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

play good falcos pls.

This^.

Falcos grab range sucks compared to D3 who I have problems with. Reason? Space Bear is super easy against Falco, unless he pivot grabs. That's about all there is to it, Wolf beats Falco in every phase of the game, just play careful as hell until 50%

Spoiler

or the entire matchup lol

Falco doesn't have lasers or phantasm with enormous priority. He also can't laser lock and his windmill jab is super punishable. His Bair also can never frame trap because it doesn't last forever.

NOT!

Auspher, T has a LOT more match-up experience against Falco than you do. I also only know of one "great" Midwest Falco player so I doubt you know the match-up as well as him.

Just Arty and Shugo are good in midwest for Falco.

Falco is one of those characters that I know extremely well and do well against no matter what character I use, so I've never had problems against them.

Nah, just play it safe until mid-30 percent.

And Laem, there are great Falco's in my region, lol. Just learn the MU.

I know the MU well enough to know that Wolf goes even with Falco. Learn to play him.

Shugo, Arty, W.T.P., Denzi and some others are all from my region. We have good Falco's here, lol.

OMG guys just ban FD and you will do GREAT vs falco

^Pretty much this.

It really isn't.

Me, you, KRD, Luminoth, and MegaRobMan all should teach the other wolves what's up.

You guys should teach me the matchup then cause I CLEARLY play it wrong.

Have you beaten the Falco's 5/5 so that you can support your claim that it is even?

Kain, what do you honestly think the matchup is? I believe it's 40-60 with Cg and Falco's enormous priority moveset. At best I think it's 45-55 if you ban Fd and platform camp efficiently till 35%.

Honestly, if any of you Wolfs has never played Bloodcross's Falco then you don't understand why the matchup isn't even. Bloodcross will beat every Wolf and he knows the matchup really well. He destroyed me and knows how to beat Wolf.

 

[KRDsonic]

Seagull also plays against Pikachus that can't chain grab and thinks they're the best pikachus. I think I'll wait to see what Kain and Choice say. Either way, you titled this thread "Personal" matchup thread. Therefore no one's matchup ratios are wrong. Some people are naturally good at fighting some characters and naturally bad at fighting others. I'm naturally good at fighting Falco and I'm naturally bad at fighting Diddy.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Seagull also plays against Pikachus that can't chain grab and thinks they're the best pikachus. I think I'll wait to see what Kain and Choice say. Either way, you titled this thread "Personal" matchup thread. Therefore no one's matchup ratios are wrong. Some people are naturally good at fighting some characters and naturally bad at fighting others. I'm naturally good at fighting Falco and I'm naturally bad at fighting Diddy.

I don't play against Pikachus that can't chain grab. They just fthrow cg me before they dthrow. I don't think they're the best Pikachus. You're putting words in my mouth. I've played only two Pikachu's really, which were Pikapika! and K9. They both beat me with Pikachu. I go Mk in that matchup.

When I see you Wolf's post the matchup for Falco as being even and see no results of Wolf's actually beating Falco's in tourney then that makes me believe you guys are wrong by default.

You can argue it's 50-50 all you want, but I see no Wolf's beating Falco other then Kain who beats Arty. Do you beat Ozz or Sethlon or other "good" Falco's in Texas KRD?

If you beat someone consistently in friendlies then that doesn't matter too much either. If you beat them in a Money match or tourney then I'd consider your matchup more plausible.

 

[KRDsonic]

Still sounds like you don't understand what your own thread title means xD. It says "PERSONAL" matchup thread. Not "I BELIEVE THIS IS THE MATCHUP FOR WOLF PERIOD" thread.

And Seagull, you came into the pika chat yesterday and said "I watched your match against Leaf. Pika can't Dthrow chain grab wolf at 0%. It doesn't work until 40%" Then started talking about how it was a fact because Michael Hey and someone else didn't chain grab you with Dthrow and they were the ones who discovered the buffer Dthrow chain grab, which implied that you play better pikachus than me and basically told all the other pikas that they didn't know what they were talking about. Come to find out that in the end you were wrong. I don't value your opinion on matchups because your arguements mainly consist of you bragging about who's in your region and a lot of times you post incorrect information. Not to mention you're condescending in almost all of your posts unless you're talking to JJ, Kain, or Choice.

Edit: And if you want to know why I feel so confident against Falco it's because I've had tons of practice against Ozz's Falco to the point where I know the matchup inside and out.

 

[tekkie]

i'm gonna throw out that seagull and jj play against bad diddys just to fan the flames :O

 

[Seagull Joe]

Still sounds like you don't understand what your own thread title means xD. It says "PERSONAL" matchup thread. Not "I BELIEVE THIS IS THE MATCHUP FOR WOLF PERIOD" thread.

And Seagull, you came into the pika chat yesterday and said "I watched your match against Leaf. Pika can't Dthrow chain grab wolf at 0%. It doesn't work until 40%" Then started talking about how it was a fact because Michael Hey and someone else didn't chain grab you with Dthrow and they were the ones who discovered the buffer Dthrow chain grab, which implied that you play better pikachus than me and basically told all the other pikas that they didn't know what they were talking about. Come to find out that in the end you were wrong. I don't value your opinion on matchups because your arguements mainly consist of you bragging about who's in your region and a lot of times you post incorrect information. Not to mention you're condescending in almost all of your posts unless you're talking to JJ, Kain, or Choice.

Edit: And if you want to know why I feel so confident against Falco it's because I've had tons of practice against Ozz's Falco to the point where I know the matchup inside and out.

Sorry if I sound condescending and brag about my region. I don't mean to sound like an ***, but I come off as one sometimes online. I'm really just carefree and like arguing LOL. I learn the matchups from my region because those are the people I play. I posted that stuff in the Pika thread because I was bored and read Pikachu matchup wrong. Went off old data that was inaccurate.

I just like to know why people believe certain matchups. I'm asking for opinions and creating opposing arguments to make sure people understand their claim of matchups. If they thoroughly believe a matchup is even then I can't change their opinion, but like to know where they base their idea for matchups from.

Cool@versing Ozz alot.

i'm gonna throw out that seagull and jj play against bad diddys just to fan the flames :O

=O

 

[_Kain_]

i'm gonna throw out that seagull and jj play against bad diddys just to fan the flames :O

LOL tekkie too good

And i gave my MU spread its 10-90 for everyone as wolf.

No but really ill do it later. IMO i see falco as even but realistcally prolly his adv a lil cus of jab n other stuff, nothing amazing tho

 

[KRDsonic]

Alright, and sorry about that raeg. Dunno where that comes from sometimes xD. I believe it's an even matchup because every Falco I've played at my skill level I've beaten, and I go to last game last hit against Falcos that are better than me. Ozz's Falco is the only one that's ever beaten my Wolf in a serious match so far and that's oneo f the reasons I believe it's even. It was also my most-played matchup back when I alted Sheik so a lot of the Sheik vs. Falco matchup got transfered when I play the Wolf vs. Falco matchup now. I'm not sure how the matchup changes at the very top level of play since I'm not at there yet, but at my level of play, it's an even matchup.

 

[Deleted member]

I still want to know how you destroy Wario's, MegaRobMan.

And about my experience fighting Falco's, I can beat them consistently if they are at my level of play. Same boat as KRD's I guess.

 

[Seagull Joe]

I still want to know how you destroy Wario's, MegaRobMan.

And about my experience fighting Falco's, I can beat them consistently if they are at my level of play. Same boat as KRD's I guess.

I suck vs Falco. I lose to Lie's Falco. And have lost to Shugo's at Apex.

Wario is so hard...Especially at killing him because he is so mobil in the air and fat.

Auspher, my wii works now so I'll upload your vids now.