Pretty in pink or true in blue, Krystal for Sm4sh!

[XenothiumX]

I think it would be interesting to incorperrate a mixture of staff-play and gun-play into her moveset to kindof mesh her appearances. Make her standards moves more staff/melee-based and her specials more gun/range-based. For example, her normal AAA would just be a standard combo. Her Tilts or Smashes could add elemental effects and such, like FSmash is a staff attack with a freeze chance or the FTilt could spray a slow icy mist in the weapon trail that lingers a bit and causes damage over time. Then you have her Specials (mostly from Assault) such as her FSpecial would be the Gatling gun: after its out you can repeatedly press B to continuously shoot until it overheats, or a neutral B that throws a grenade or shoots off a Sniper Rifle (to differentiate her gun entirely from the other 3 SF characters) which could have a longer and quicker firing range but has an extremely long reload between shots. Her DSmash could do a somewhat tricky move where she jumps diagonally back into the air and fires a Homing Launcher shot diagonally down forward, or it could simply be just a Barrier which unlike the others' reflective shields it could simply just absorb the projectile and dissipate. Her USmash could simply be a Jetpack, but it rises on its own and allows only for horizontal movement during and cannot be canceled.

For the FS, it could be something like the Demon Launcher or something like that one bomb in Assault that you set and it shoots rainbow colored rockets into the air that come back down and assault the entire area.

I do really like your ideas, it is possible for Krystal to use other weapons along with her staff which would be interesting, however, I feel that the weapons you listed: Grenades, Sniper Rifle, Gatling gun, Homing Launcher, ect. should be apart of Wolf's moveset. Even though Wolf first appeared in Star Fox 64, Star Fox Assault was when he got a much bigger role in the series. Thus, why I think the weapons from Star Fox Assault fit him better (especially since he was the best character in multiplayer).
I've seen people assume that Wolf was implemented late in Brawls development process since he wasn't a part of the Subspace Emissary story line. I suppose if the Developers had more time they could have given Wolf a different moveset in Brawl.
One thing I wonder is if Sakurai ever considered Krystal for Brawl, but chose Wolf instead because Krystal's Development process would take longer due to her having a unique moveset.

 

[NitrusVirus]

Theres an ongoing trend of them mashing new characters in at the last moment as clones because of lack of time. Either they need to step it the **** up or management needs to stop rushing them. Likely both.

 

[XenothiumX]

Theres an ongoing trend of them mashing new characters in at the last moment as clones because of lack of time. Either they need to step it the **** up or management needs to stop rushing them. Likely both.

I don't know if it can be helped...but, yeah all possible effort should be put in to smash

 

[BluePikmin11]

If Sakurai were to replace one of the 2 Stafox reps with Krystal, who would you choose?
Falco or Wolf?

 

[XenothiumX]

If Sakurai were to replace one of the 2 Stafox reps with Krystal, who would you choose?
Falco or Wolf?

The Krystal haters aren't too fond of this question, but whatever...

I would cut Falco and here's why:
-Wolf is a villain
-Wolf's moveset differs more from Fox's than Falco
-Wolf was originally intended for Melee
-Krystal role on the Star Fox team is just as important as Falco's (I'm not going to judge whether her role on the team is more or less important than Falco's assuming Command is non-cannon)
-Krystal and Falco are both Blue (we wouldn't want to overload the roster with blue characters )

 

[IsmaR]

(we wouldn't want to overload the roster with blue characters)

Too late.

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

It's never too late for Krystal!!!

 

[IanTheGamer]

Krystal could have a great unique moveset using her staff, the Gatling Gun the Grenades, the Homing Launcher, and her Final Smash could be something involving the Krazoa Spirits. She was teased for the next game in one of Falco's Lylat Cruise secret taunts, as evidenced by this YouTube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mcGc2YiHms

 

[DarkKry4]

Krystal could have a great unique moveset using her staff, the Gatling Gun the Grenades, the Homing Launcher, and her Final Smash could be something involving the Krazoa Spirits. She was teased for the next game in one of Falco's Lylat Cruise secret taunts, as evidenced by this YouTube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mcGc2YiHms

thats not evidence. Far from it >_>

It's never too late for Krystal!!!

I'd say it is. She missed the ship in Brawl. With no new game, its looking pretty grim.

 

[IanTheGamer]

thats not evidence. Far from it >_>



I'd say it is. She missed the ship in Brawl. With no new game, its looking pretty grim.

Pit got in Brawl and before Brawl, there wasn't a new Kid Icarus for 21 years

 

[N3ON]

Pit got in Brawl and before Brawl, there wasn't a new Kid Icarus for 21 years

Sakurai typically designates a specific spot on the roster for retro characters, they wouldn't have to meet the same standards a character like Krystal would.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Sakurai typically designates a specific spot on the roster for retro characters, they wouldn't have to meet the same standards a character like Krystal would.

True, but Krystal was the most popular female character in the West for Smash Bros voting, but for some odd reason she didn't get in, I have a gut feeling that Falco will be cut and replaced by Krystal in SSB4, Wolf will still be in, just with a modified moveset, because Smash needs more Baddies

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

Everybody's got a special place in their heart for Krystal <3!!!

 

[DarkKry4]

True, but Krystal was the most popular female character in the West for Smash Bros voting

Source for this voting please?

but for some odd reason she didn't get in I have a gut feeling that Falco will be cut and replaced by Krystal in SSB4, Wolf will still be in, just with a modified moveset, because Smash needs more Baddies

You seem to be a bit... misinformed. Like you seem to think she was guaranteed to be in Brawl?

Ridley was far more popular in the west and more important to Metroid than Krystal is to Starfox. And yet he still was made a boss only in Brawl. Being "popular" in the west does not guarantee them to be in.

I would also like to point out that Krystal is barely requested in japan (the game is made there) which does indeed lower her chances. And if you couple this with Star Fox's recent sales being less than stellar. Chances for more reps for the series in general are unlikely. Star Fox's latest release (Star Fox 64 3D) is a remake of an iconic game that does NOT include her but includes Falco and Wolf. Right now shes is not a relevant or important enough Nintendo character that should be added (or replacing anyone really) in Smash Bros. These are plenty of reasons why the odds are against her. I don't see them adding any secondary characters this time around. Especially when you look at Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, or Megaman. All these newcomers are main characters of their own game and add a new series. Not to mention they contributed a lot to Nintendo. Krystal does not fit any of these criteria. Point blank. Shes not gonna be in.

And "smash needs more baddies"? Usually i hear the female version of that phrase.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Source for this voting please?

You seem to be a bit... misinformed. Like you seem to think she was guaranteed to be in Brawl?

Ridley was far more popular in the west and more important to Metroid than Krystal is to Starfox. And yet he still was made a boss only in Brawl. Being "popular" in the west does not guarantee them to be in.

I would also like to point out that Krystal is barely requested in japan (the game is made there) which does indeed lower her chances. And if you couple this with Star Fox's recent sales being less than stellar. Chances for more reps for the series in general are unlikely. Star Fox's latest release (Star Fox 64 3D) is a remake of an iconic game that does NOT include her but includes Falco and Wolf. Right now shes is not a relevant or important enough Nintendo character that should be added (or replacing anyone really) in Smash Bros. These are plenty of reasons why the odds are against her. I don't see them adding any secondary characters this time around. Especially when you look at Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, or Megaman. All these newcomers are main characters of their own game and add a new series. Not to mention they contributed a lot to Nintendo. Krystal does not fit any of these criteria. Point blank. Shes not gonna be in.

And "smash needs more baddies"? Usually i hear the female version of that phrase.

Yeah, but Smash Bros is a sausage fest, and Krystal would fill the female character slot nicely, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A UNPOPULAR CHARACTER TRY THE WII FIT TRAINER, SHE WASN'T EVEN AN AFTERTHOUGHT UNTIL SHE WAS ANNOUNCED FOR SSB4, MOST PEOPLE WANTED TOM NOOK OR KK SLIDER BUT NO, WE GOT A CHARACTER THAT BARELY ANYONE WANTED, AND HOW ABOUT ROB, HOW MANY PEOPLE WANTED HIM IN BRAWL.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Why can't Nintendo compromise and give the Wii U version Krystal and the 3DS version have Falco, or atleast make Krystal DLC.

 

[N3ON]

True, but Krystal was the most popular female character in the West for Smash Bros voting, but for some odd reason she didn't get in, I have a gut feeling that Falco will be cut and replaced by Krystal in SSB4, Wolf will still be in, just with a modified moveset, because Smash needs more Baddies

Perhaps it could be because one: the west, and two, because female characters don't get any special consideration, they're treated the same as male characters. Sure Krystal could've made it in, but she didn't, and since then her series has, other than a remake, done nothing. If Falco didn't get cut when Krystal was at her peak, and when several other clones did, he's not going to get replaced now. He wasn't even on the chopping block like most other veteran clones, Sakurai clearly wanted him included.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Yeah, but Smash Bros is a sausage fest, and Krystal would fill the female character slot nicely, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A UNPOPULAR CHARACTER TRY THE WII FIT TRAINER, SHE WASN'T EVEN AN AFTERTHOUGHT UNTIL SHE WAS ANNOUNCED FOR SSB4, MOST PEOPLE WANTED TOM NOOK OR KK SLIDER BUT NO, WE GOT A CHARACTER THAT BARELY ANYONE WANTED, AND HOW ABOUT ROB, HOW MANY PEOPLE WANTED HIM IN BRAWL.

To be fair, R.O.B. and Wii Fit Trainer are special cases. R.O.B. is a retro character, while in both the case of both R.O.B. and Wii Fit Trainer, Sakurai chose them to be surprise characters, he likes to add a surprise character or two. He brings back franchises by putting a surprise character from it, as well as some other content in relation them.

 

[N3ON]

ROB and WFT might have been surprising characters, but they weren't chosen solely for the shock value of their inclusion. WFT is the representative of a hugely succesful Nintendo series and ROB was an integral part of Nintendo's history.

Krystal can't claim anything close to this, and the idea of a "female slot" is as ridiculous as any other designated "slot" other than perhaps retro. People think Sakurai has a lot more fairly-arbitrary categories than he really does.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Perhaps it could be because one: the west, and two, because female characters don't get any special consideration, they're treated the same as male characters. Sure Krystal could've made it in, but she didn't, and since then her series has, other than a remake, done nothing. If Falco didn't get cut when Krystal was at her peak, and when several other clones did, he's not going to get replaced now. He wasn't even on the chopping block like most other veteran clones, Sakurai clearly wanted him included.

I thought Sakurai wanted less clones, but with the return of Toon Link, I am really questioning Sakurai's logic, Well maybe Krystal could be West exclusive DLC, that's a fair compromise, GUESS WHAT SMASH SELLS MORE IN THE WEST 8,236,703 sales in the West vs 2.52 million in Japan, I added the American and European sales together, All of these numbers are from VGCHARTZ.com

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

Krystal will be the ULTIMATE surprise newcomer!!!

When she is revealed we'll all check the Smash Bros. website to see her face and She'll be like "SURPRISE!!!" and we'll be like "YAY KRYSTAL!!!!"

 

[N3ON]

I thought Sakurai wanted less clones, but with the return of Toon Link, I am really questioning Sakurai's logic,

Yet you didn't question his logic when Falco returned in Brawl? People that listen to Sakurai's words and ignore his actions are fairly misguided anyway.

Well maybe Krystal could be West exclusive DLC, that's a fair compromise,

Why not add a character more popular in both the west and the east? That's even more fair, more people get what they want.

GUESS WHAT SMASH SELLS MORE IN THE WEST 8,236,703 sales in the West vs 2.52 million in Japan, I added the American and European sales together, All of these numbers are from VGCHARTZ.com

VGChartz is rarely correct. Even if it is though, it's pretty clear Sakurai prioritizes the east above the west.

 

[DarkKry4]

Yeah, but Smash Bros is a sausage fest, and Krystal would fill the female character slot nicely, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A UNPOPULAR CHARACTER TRY THE WII FIT TRAINER, SHE WASN'T EVEN AN AFTERTHOUGHT UNTIL SHE WAS ANNOUNCED FOR SSB4, MOST PEOPLE WANTED TOM NOOK OR KK SLIDER BUT NO, WE GOT A CHARACTER THAT BARELY ANYONE WANTED, AND HOW ABOUT ROB, HOW MANY PEOPLE WANTED HIM IN BRAWL.

Smash Bros is a "sausage fest" because in general there are very few Nintendo games where a female is the main character. Unlike other fighting games like "Dead or Alive" where they can adjust the male-to-female ratio by simply creating characters, with Smash bros they have to make this game of allstars by taking existing characters from Nintendo series. Its unfortunate but thats how life is.

Yes its true that Wii Fit Trainer was barely requested but she has other things to back her up. Like relevancy and being the main character of one of the best selling Wii games helps.

I'm just surprised they haven't added Dixie Kong given she has starred in her own games and is popular.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Yet you didn't question his logic when Falco returned in Brawl? People that listen to Sakurai's words and ignore his actions are fairly misguided anyway.











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Why not add a character more popular in both the west and the east? That's even more fair, more people get what they want.














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[quote="N3ON, post: 15912763, member: 85415] VGChartz is rarely correct. Even if it is though, it's pretty clear Sakurai prioritizes the east above the west.

I was 9 years old when Brawl came out, I didn't even have any type of game console back then, hell I didn't even have a PC back then.
I said West EXCLUSIVE meaning she is only available in places like Canada or The US
Well Sakurai is like most Japanese people, too nationalistic and too prideful about his own country to consider the fact that Smash sells more in the West, it's a bad business strategy, if you ask me

 

[N3ON]

I was 9 years old when Brawl came out, I didn't even have any type of game console back then, hell I didn't even have a PC back then.

And that prevented you from retroactively thinking about it... why?

I said West EXCLUSIVE meaning she is only available in places like Canada or The US

Why not add a character more popular in both the west and the east? That's even more fair, more people get what they want.

Well Sakurai is like most Japanese people, too nationalistic and too prideful about his own country to consider the fact that Smash sells more in the West, it's a bad business strategy, if you ask me

Yeah. That's why Smash sells so poorly, right?

 

[XenothiumX]

I wouldn't classify Krystal as a character who sells the game, however, the Inclusion of the Wii Fit Trainer does make me question if Sakurai is trying to tap in to the casual gamers. Among the popular character choices for newcomers this time around I think Krystal is one of the most recognizable, of course not as recognizable as Mario or Link, but I'd be willing to say more so than Ridley.
Sakurai does not prioritize Japan anymore, and even so the roster is not based solely on his decision, but on the development team as well even though he may have a great impact on the roster.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Hmmm... It seems whenever the news gets quiet this thread flares up.

Krystal: Forever Controversial

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

I love it when this thread is active! It's like one giant party!!!

Krystal: Forever Awesome!!!

 

[EddyBearr]

If Krystal wasn't in, would it be a dealbreaker for you? Simultaneously, if Krystal was in, would it be a deal sealer?

What if Krystal got in over Wolf?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If Krystal wasn't in, would it be a dealbreaker for you? Simultaneously, if Krystal was in, would it be a deal sealer?

What if Krystal got in over Wolf?

No. No.

And I'd be ticked but not enough to sway me from buying the game.

 

[XenothiumX]

If Krystal wasn't in, would it be a dealbreaker for you? Simultaneously, if Krystal was in, would it be a deal sealer?

What if Krystal got in over Wolf?

I'm buying the game no matter what, but if Krystal got in it would be all the better.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

If Krystal wasn't in, would it be a dealbreaker for you? Simultaneously, if Krystal was in, would it be a deal sealer?

What if Krystal got in over Wolf?

No on the first question. I want her in, but not THAT badly.

And on the second question, also no. I'm buying the game no matter who gets in at this point.

And on the final question, I'd be rather angry.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Wolf won't be cut because Smash needs more baddies, Falco can be cut because he is not one of the Original 12

 

[FlareHabanero]

If Krystal wasn't in, would it be a dealbreaker for you? Simultaneously, if Krystal was in, would it be a deal sealer?

What if Krystal got in over Wolf?

I'd be grateful if we forget about the trainwreck that became the Star Fox series. The more we back away from it the better.

 

[Vyzor]

Although I would like Krystal playable, I see no reason for them putting in a fourth Star Fox character. I honestly think the chances of Krystal being put in are pretty slim.

I would like to be proven wrong on this, but I see no evidence as to why she would be a playable character.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Because Starfox has the perfect trio, and Starfox is suited to have only 3 characters.

 

[XenothiumX]

perfect trio of landmasters...

 

[IsmaR]

And blasters, reflectors, kicks, scouters, heaviness/fast-falliness, propulsion specials, oh and edginess.

 

[EddyBearr]

And blasters, reflectors, kicks, scouters, heaviness/fast-falliness, propulsion specials, oh and edginess.

In other words, more of the same thing. Do we really need 3 of that?

 

[XenothiumX]

And blasters, reflectors, kicks, scouters, heaviness/fast-falliness, propulsion specials, oh and edginess.

I think Krystal will also be a "fast-faller" the Starfox characters are very Aerodynamic.