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why is setting pk freeze to neutral b intuitive at all? keep in mind that pk freeze is pk fire with different graphics & element.
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Project M Social Thread
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Iamthemovie
Smash Journeyman
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Is the wavedashing done through a code or by messing with the pac? If by code, could you possibly release that? I'm just itching to play PM but since you're not done with it, I'd like to try B+ with it for the lulz.
Shell
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The Melee Air Dodge system is a combination of a large, multi-part .gct code and .pac edits to character friction, animations, landing lags, and more to get it all to work together. Releasing just the .gct code wouldn't really do justice to the system.
Pragmatic
Smash Journeyman
I've been lurking this thread particularly for quite a while.
I support Project Melee, love the concepts that are being implemented.
How is Luigi and Yoshi coming along? Just curious.
I support Project Melee, love the concepts that are being implemented.
How is Luigi and Yoshi coming along? Just curious.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
I feel you man. I discovered Smashboards in late 03, and decided to take Melee seriously and learn all the ATs and such. But I was the only one at my college who had ever heard of the stuff. So I had to teach myself everything, and on top of that, my tech skill is naturally garbs anyway, so it took me a looong time to get everything down. I had multiple apprentices later on who all started from scratch, and they all picked up the tech skill stuff faster than I did. I'd like to think it's because I'm a good teacher :D
Archangel
Smash Hero
I hate this place...
Will I be able to wall grapple as I did in melee? Or due to the need to grapple ledges with brawl characters, is that being left out?
[nvm looks like its going to be left out
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A follow up. You say you don't want this to be a 1:1 but from what I've seen this is the most Melee like game there will be that will be widely accepted. So is the constraint you used to determine whether a melee aspect will be added or not determined by the constraints of brawl engine, character mechanics and balance or are there other things I am missing?
I ask this because I have seen a lot of things in Project M I didn't expect to see thus far.
[nvm looks like its going to be left out
]A follow up. You say you don't want this to be a 1:1 but from what I've seen this is the most Melee like game there will be that will be widely accepted. So is the constraint you used to determine whether a melee aspect will be added or not determined by the constraints of brawl engine, character mechanics and balance or are there other things I am missing?
I ask this because I have seen a lot of things in Project M I didn't expect to see thus far.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Well, I'm sort of an interesting case xD.
I found out about competitive play in like... 04 or something, but only took some of the elements from it and applied it to my game. I dash-danced, played with no items, played only with legal stages, I teched and I incorporated rudimentary de-synching into my Ice Climbers game. I didn't learn how to L-Cancel, SHFFL, Wave-dash, or anything else that I thought seemed "too complicated" however.
After Brawl was released and I finished it. I got bored of it and went back to Melee, decided to actually get proper good at it. I learnt how to wave-dash in a day, and incorporating it into my playstyle was a gradual process of about a month (I wasn't playing every day mind you). I didn't learn L-Cancelling until after my first tourney, I picked it up pretty much instantly.
Because it is semi-racist, disgusting spam?
Archangel
Smash Hero
It was a truthful description of what I saw, If you were around to see that guys avatar you probably would've said the same thing...it was like...wtf.
Ganoncide
Smash Cadet
Words couldn't describe his avatar. Lets hope it gets falcon pawnched so we'll never see it again.
rPSIvysaur
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Stop. Just stop. If you don't...
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I know what a blue waffle is.
Just wondering... I know next to nothing about Brawl Ice Climbers, but what was it that made their chain-grabs so good? Was it the throws? Buffering? Nana's AI? What?
Just wondering because the reason I use Melee Ice Climbers and not Brawl Ice Climbers is because I am more fond of grab combos rather than actual chain-grabs.
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genkaku
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It took me couple sittings to wavedash, a couple weeks of playing a couple matches with my brother every other day or so to implement it.
L canceling was really tricky. I react to the audio, so it wan't nearly as intuitive. I had to screw with the handicap and practice dairs on a ganon before I got it. That was about a month ago and I've been able to do it without thinking for about a week.
L canceling was really tricky. I react to the audio, so it wan't nearly as intuitive. I had to screw with the handicap and practice dairs on a ganon before I got it. That was about a month ago and I've been able to do it without thinking for about a week.
Stevo
Smash Champion
many projectiles are set to neutral b....
in fact, pk fire was neutral b in smash 64.
It's not a big deal, I don't really care.
popo12
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I think I already asked this once, but it got buried (which was mostly my fault), but will it be more difficult to short hop in PM than vBrawl? I've noticed that I can short hop without thinking about it in vBrawl and B-, and I can get it in 64 with very little effort (about half the time if I'm not careful), and I can only short hop with Fox in Melee. Is it something with the controller (even though I've never noticed a big change in vBrawl when I go between CC and GCN), or is it something in the engine? If it's just a Melee thing, are you going to implement it in PM?
Hope that wasn't a stupid question.
Hope that wasn't a stupid question.
Shadic
Alakadoof?
Short hops are done by letting go of the jump button before your jump animation is finished. Jump animations should be at Melee levels across the cast now.
Gardevior
Smash Lord
You can ONLY short hop with fox? Because Fox is a very difficult character to short hop with - one of the hardest.
Laijin
Smash Hero
Dude just tap X or Y.
Its not difficult. Practice it
popo12
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I know how to do it, but the timing just feels so weird to me. I know it's not supposed to be hard, but for some reason I just can't pull it off consistently. I think I could do it with Fox; it's been awhile, so I could have remembered that wrong. Is it bad that I can wavedash more consistently than I can short hop?
Okay, that's good to know. I thought it would actually be related to the physics; I hadn't thought of it being in the animations. I was hoping it would be the same as Brawl (which is kind of selfish now that I think about it), but I can always practice.
The King Of Hearts
Smash Journeyman
Dude same story with me, Clearwater was no where near competitive play. I had to learn all the ATs on one big gnarly webpage. All back in 03 or so... went to local lan centers and got a smash tournaments local here and after cutting edge died nothing else started since.. my friends couldn't (and still) cant grasp the Advance techniques but my apprentices did and much faster then me.
JCaesar will you have any new lucario videos up? :D
And with fox... SH wasn't to bad. just flick the X button.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Quoting so it doesn't get buried.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
The Hardest with IC's IIRC.
Gardevior
Smash Lord
I started last year, but yeah. I started with Brawl.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
And im a tech skill WIZZZAARRRDDDDDD
be back in 2 months as always
BAI GUIZZZZ
be back in 2 months as always
BAI GUIZZZZ
Pi
Smash Hero
lol
having fun in the future?
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
Nice sig Think. (yea all called you think ***** watchu gonna do!!!)
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Fox has, what a 3 or 4 frame jump? IC's would need a 2 frame jump to be less forgiving than Fox, and I've only had trouble SH'ing with IC's maybe 1 of every 7 jumps if that. Fox definitely has the tightest SH frames.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
I said with. I think they're the same but I can't remember so w/e.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Ah sorry Misread the post ^^;
Laijin
Smash Hero
-face palm-
It helps to read the first post
It helps to read the first post
Luxor
Smash Champion
Can't think of a witty enough response to that.
jahkzheng
Smash Lord
I was just playing some brawl and I was noticing something I've been taking for granted that's not in Melee - smash animations. Brawl introduced a windup animation for every character's smash whereas Melee had a stale looking smash that made the character seems frozen in place. As you can probably surmise, I think this animation was a cool addition to brawl.
Question is.... with all the changes to specials and smashes being made for some characters - some that don't seem to be taken from anything in brawl - will these special animations be existant? Falco, for instance, I assume has an animation that matches Fox's for his new fsmash. But when our beloved clone engine additions come to be, will they be given this aesthetic treatment? If you guys have the power to make these custom animations - as superfluous as they may seem - will you go the extra mile and give your mod just that extra bit of polish? I hope so.
Question is.... with all the changes to specials and smashes being made for some characters - some that don't seem to be taken from anything in brawl - will these special animations be existant? Falco, for instance, I assume has an animation that matches Fox's for his new fsmash. But when our beloved clone engine additions come to be, will they be given this aesthetic treatment? If you guys have the power to make these custom animations - as superfluous as they may seem - will you go the extra mile and give your mod just that extra bit of polish? I hope so.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
Shadic
Alakadoof?
We have and will.
Well since no one is answering...
Basically its a combination of buffer and how easy it is to just throw the opponent into the other IC's grab. That and you have stuff like footstool resets which aren't much harder to do.
jahkzheng
Smash Lord
Awsome Shadic, nice to hear.
(Lol, *words*)
Also, something else comes to mind - SFX. I noticed Lucas now has a silent side B. Was this how you planned to keep him or is there a plan to have him yell "PK Freeze" or whatever when he uses his modified move.
As far as the clone engine characters go... I hope original Melee sound effects are used. For example, Fully Charged Flare Blade - as totally and utterly situational as it is - needs Roy's "roar" xD. However, if that move is buffed perhaps like I've mentioned in the past, then it wouldn't be AS situational, lol. But I'm sure you guys have some excellent ideas/plans for that.
Edit:
Of course you guys want to use Melee SFX for the additional characters. You've said as much. Silly question... (but then again, it was more of a statement)
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Thanks, X iLink X.
So... Will Nana's AI be altered so you can't control her throw direction like in Melee? Or will it be the same as in Brawl?
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