Project M Social Thread

[KirbyKaze]

For the sake of argument, are you not going to come back and complain about it if she ends up being something like 35th?

If she's 35th despite retaining her Melee feel then it's probably as a result of everyone else having such ridiculously overpowered designs that her otherwise cohesive defensive poking, flexible short range evasion, and efficient combo-centered gameplay can't keep up with. And that's a tall order - it would require some seriously ridiculous nonsense being handed out haphazardly to the other characters and/or an immensely radical shift in what the game dictates as necessary to be viable (and it would be undoubtedly a huge shift away from the advertised "Melee feel" in general).

And in that case I'll probably just shy away from the game entirely since that would signify to me that you're making Melee minus rather than Project Melee. And I have no interest in Melee minus.

 

[ELI-mination]

Great Bay isn't in this game. I have no interest.

 

[leelue]

Thought I'd bring this up here as it has also been a bit of a hot topic over on the smashmods boards: what are your opinions on the introduction of a+b moves/inputs on more characters than lucario? Ever since Wario's revealed stomp I'm sure everbody here has had some sort of thoughts on it.

I think it's great. Smash has a very small amount of inputs as it is. I think the problem would be coming up with 39 new attacks for characters, so I could see this being healthy if given to characters with extra design space+cool stuff to do.

Remember the snake shotgun or the tranq gun? That kind of stuff

EDIT: easter eggs could fit under that input as well. I'm sure that people besides casuals would go bananas over a fake falcon punch. Like the taunt idea that was shut down. Hell, I'll make that right now.

EDIT: Nevermind. I'll do it later.

 

[Damix91]

If she's 35th despite retaining her Melee feel then it's probably as a result of everyone else having such ridiculously overpowered designs that her otherwise cohesive defensive poking, flexible short range evasion, and efficient combo-centered gameplay can't keep up with. And that's a tall order - it would require some seriously ridiculous nonsense being handed out haphazardly to the other characters and/or an immensely radical shift in what the game dictates as necessary to be viable (and it would be undoubtedly a huge shift away from the advertised "Melee feel" in general).

And in that case I'll probably just shy away from the game entirely since that would signify to me that you're making Melee minus rather than Project Melee. And I have no interest in Melee minus.

Even in the most balanced game, someone has to be 35th

 

[DrinkingFood]

Even in the most balanced game, someone has to be 35th

Not if you only have 34 characters

Spoiler

 

[DMG]

35th would be the secret hidden square that has all of the worst traits of N64 Link, Melee Pichu, and Brawl Ganon rolled up into one magnificent failure of a character

 

[leelue]

35th would be the secret hidden square that has all of the worst traits of N64 Link, Melee Pichu, and Brawl Ganon rolled up into one magnificent failure of a character

He'd throw projectiles that hurt himself and force you to play brawl?
Auschwitz aint got nothin on PM v.3.1 sheik, apparently

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

PM v.3.1 sheik

Did I miss something important here? O_o

 

[Onomanic]

Did I miss something important here? O_o

That's probably a typo.

 

[bubbaking]

Nah, I'm pretty sure he meant to say "3.1".

Even in the most balanced game, someone has to be 35th

Well yeah, but everyone could also be tied at 1st.

 

[Life]

For the record, I would totally play Melee Minus if it was well-done

 

[DMG]

Balance

Minus games specifically made to be imbalanced



Pick one

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Even though Minus ends up being rather balanced in it's own way?

lolcontradictions

 

[Spoon~]

A melee minus would be awful, it worked for brawl because they play by moon rules.

 

[Skieth]

There's a pretty huge range of quality in the changes in brawl-. Some of the changes are sort of cool, like Mario's hat taunt making him metal or link having different types of arrows. Sometimes changes like that make the game feel fresh again... But for every amusing change in brawl- there's several ****ing horrible ones, like Rob's laser or warlock punch or snakes forward smash.

That said, I would follow the progress of a PM- if it was announced just because I mainly play 4 player and my smash bros don't play often.

 

[KingBlaze777]

PM Minus... Why did I think of PlayStation All-Stars when I read that?

 

[Jolteon]

People hating on Minus.

 

[standardtoaster]

I don't know if Fly Amanita or Strong Bad brought a Project M setup to Kings of Cali. If they did, I hope they can get a few sets with Ken recorded! :D

 

[bubbaking]

There's a pretty huge range of quality in the changes in brawl-. Some of the changes are sort of cool, like Mario's hat taunt making him metal or link having different types of arrows. Sometimes changes like that make the game feel fresh again... But for every amusing change in brawl- there's several ****ing horrible ones, like Rob's laser or warlock punch or snakes forward smash.

That said, I would follow the progress of a PM- if it was announced just because I mainly play 4 player and my smash bros don't play often.

Bowser is the worst thing ever to happen to Brawl-, in every version too.

 

[Shadow Huan]

so i've uploaded the bowser/falco matches

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUwAbS0M1LVP7XnYa_EG8M7g&feature=plcp

they're chugging away lol

the glitch that i referred to happens in the very first match, and i get punished for it when it happens 10 seconds into the pictochat match (match #7)

review, enjoy, advice? i know i need to tighten up my edgeguarding and movement, any other advice is appriciated

EDIT: I did notice i try to sheild grab too much, a leftover habit of a former melee marth main lol

 

[bubbaking]

Doesn't Bowser have a decent shieldgrab?

35th would be the secret hidden square that has all of the worst traits of N64 Link, Melee Pichu, and Brawl Ganon rolled up into one magnificent failure of a character

Super bored right now, so I'm gonna do it. They're doing the same thing in the vBrawl Tier List thread, but with the converse.
[COLLAPSE="Product of Boredom"]

• Can't L-cancel any aerials.
• Lightest character, lighter than Jiggs
• Months of jumpsquat.
• DJ has no height.
• Super slow running speed.
• Super slow walking speed.
• Grab has years of startup and cooldown and doesn't reach anywhere, whether he standing grabs or dash grabs
• UpB is a command grab with almost no distance, vertical or horizontal, whatsoever. He also hurts himself.
• SideB flings him forward a short distance as a bodily hitbox, and he hurts himself.
• DownB is a multi-hit weak thunder that hurts himself.
• Neutral B is a weak normal projectile with Warlock startup and cooldown. He hurts himself.
• Jab is Link speed but Pichu strength, and he can only do one at a time. No jab 2.
• All tilts are Pichu's except utilt. Utilt is Ganon's.
• Fsmash has no disjoint, is multi-hit and can be SDI'd, and has Link's startup. He hurts himself.
• Usmash is one slow kick of glory. Lots of startup and cooldown, but it's got some power.
• Dsmash is a slow set of consecutive kicks on each side. Each kick is weak.
• Fair is weak and multi-hitting. Hurts himself.
• Bair is weak and takes forever to end.
• Uair does 2% damage and takes forever to end.
• Ganon's nair but with no range.
• Dair has lots of startup and even more cooldown. Hurts himself.
• Fthrow is long and weak. Hurts himself.
• Bthrow is long.
• Both other throws are weak.

[/COLLAPSE]
Man, I was really bored...

 

[Shadow Huan]

i suppose. but i keep trying to space it like marth's. lol

 

[McNinja]

So Pit's only getting one glide?

I assume there are buffs to even this out...

...right?

 

[bubbaking]

I definitely hope so! There's also been talk that his arrows are being nerfed.

Meanwhile, the spacees.....

 

[McNinja]

Arrows too?! Man I can't wait to see how they counter all theses nerfs.

Maybe he'll actually get a kill move!

Jokes aside, I have total faith in the pmbr.

 

[DMG]

so i've uploaded the bowser/falco matches

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUwAbS0M1LVP7XnYa_EG8M7g&feature=plcp

they're chugging away lol

the glitch that i referred to happens in the very first match, and i get punished for it when it happens 10 seconds into the pictochat match (match #7)

review, enjoy, advice? i know i need to tighten up my edgeguarding and movement, any other advice is appriciated

EDIT: I did notice i try to sheild grab too much, a leftover habit of a former melee marth main lol

Ok I think I know what it is

You are being hit onto platforms, without going into tumble. Best example I can think of is again Falco at low %'s. Fox and Falco don't go into tumble/can't tech or get out of shine -> Dair, which is why you can do it multiple times before the Dair will tumble them. It probably looks janky because of some brawl related crap, but basically if you see yourself go onto a platform and "hover" there in lag, it means you got hit but not hard enough/by an attack that sends you into tumble.

 

[iLink]

Pretty sure someone corrected the rumor of the nerfed arrows as being false.

 

[Mattnumbers]

Pretty sure someone corrected the rumor of the nerfed arrows as being false.

I remember this as well, at least that someone said that they don't decay faster like some people thought from a video of one not popping a SV baloon.

 

[bubbaking]

What I heard had nothing to do with decay. It had to do with the precision with which the arrows could be guided...

Jokes aside, I have total faith in the pmbr.

Starting to sound like a religion.....

Ok I think I know what it is

You are being hit onto platforms, without going into tumble. Best example I can think of is again Falco at low %'s. Fox and Falco don't go into tumble/can't tech or get out of shine -> Dair, which is why you can do it multiple times before the Dair will tumble them. It probably looks janky because of some brawl related crap, but basically if you see yourself go onto a platform and "hover" there in lag, it means you got hit but not hard enough/by an attack that sends you into tumble.

Yeah, it's kinda like how when Marth/Roy fthrow Fox, Falco, and some others, they don't get knocked down but rather 'flinch' in front of him so that he can pseudo-CG them.

 

[bubbaking]

Sorry for the double post, but I read an interesting suggestion in the other P:M thread that I thought I'd share...

I wonder if they could give her all her melee ntsc throws, EXCEPT, every third D throw was PAL D throw...

Edit: In case you can't tell, it's regarding Sheik.

 

[Mattnumbers]

If they could code something like that they could just remove all long chain grabs by giving any offending throw different properties after x regrabs. Might add new options too if the new properties lead to things the original throw doesn't.

 

[UltiMario]

I would agree with that if you replaced the words "PAL" with "NTSC" ;3

 

[Mattnumbers]

But you can't even get regrabs off of PAL Dthrow, unless you mean every 3rd throw in the entire match, which I don't really agree with.

 

[Shadow Huan]

Ok I think I know what it is

You are being hit onto platforms, without going into tumble. Best example I can think of is again Falco at low %'s. Fox and Falco don't go into tumble/can't tech or get out of shine -> Dair, which is why you can do it multiple times before the Dair will tumble them. It probably looks janky because of some brawl related crap, but basically if you see yourself go onto a platform and "hover" there in lag, it means you got hit but not hard enough/by an attack that sends you into tumble.

okay, but is that something that can be fixed/tweaked? because it seems... i dk wrong.

Yeah, it's kinda like how when Marth/Roy fthrow Fox, Falco, and some others, they don't get knocked down but rather 'flinch' in front of him so that he can pseudo-CG them.

they can DI away and sidestep pretty instantly in my experience, not really the same thing lol

 

[DMG]

It's probably related to some brawl issue. However I don't think it actually makes you vulnerable longer than you would be in Melee. If it does, then sorry it's lame lol

 

[Shadow Huan]

i didn't play bowser in melee so i can't tell you lol

it's gonna hurt even worse getting comboed as poor big boozer i guess lol

 

[metroid1117]

okay, but is that something that can be fixed/tweaked? because it seems... i dk wrong.

DMG hit it right on the money. I think it just looks weird to you because of how fast Bowser was sent downward; if knockback stacking was in Demo 2.1, Bowser would fall slower and it would look more reasonable.

 

[bubbaking]

okay, but is that something that can be fixed/tweaked? because it seems... i dk wrong.

I think the same property was present in Melee, it just looks different in P:M because of vBrawl aesthetics, so it might be easier for people to notice. Idk, I may be wrong, though.

they can DI away and sidestep pretty instantly in my experience, not really the same thing lol

Ah, here's a better example. I believe in Melee, when hit by a meteor, such as Mario's fair or Samus's dair, at 0, you kinda flip-flop in place instead of being knocked down into a tech-able state.

 

[Shadow Huan]

well then metroid, i'm offically looking forward to knockback stacking then lol

@ bubbaking: yeah i get you now

 

[V-K]

Is there a list that shows all character changes from Melee to PM?