Project M Social Thread

[VietGeek]

He can cancel his f-air with jump!

if marth is getting melee shield breaker can it have a hitbox size as big as ganon's balls just like melee?

because that would be of much approval

 

[jalued]

Yes he can, using his overb on his second jump, I mained him in melee, try it out for yourself

yeah cause his sideB stops his momentum..but its not DJC, and its very limited...

 

[-Darc-]

Yes he can, using his overb on his second jump, I mained him in melee, try it out for yourself

How often did you even use this? LOL

 

[DarkDragoon]

Dustin posting in this topic makes me happy.
Awww yeah name searching.
-DD

 

[Marth175]

It is indeed very useful as you can perform a small wavedash with it if you time it right while short hopping and leads to another attack

@Darc: In my case I used it quite often against doc and heavy characters such as fox and falco, and it works wonder in mind games against light characters as well

 

[-Darc-]

I'm gonna assume fair is a better option in that situation.

Forward b most of the time is horrible. The only time I use forward b is to combo into an uptilt on floaties.

Edit: wait also off stage edgeguarding on spacies

 

[ETWIST51294]

LOL Fox and Falco aren't heavy.

Listen to Darc, dude. He places well at tournys for a reason.

 

[Marth175]

Yeah everybody has their style but its still a good option to have.

@ETWIST51294: Theyre not heavy in brawl... they fall like rocks in melee

 

[NAMQ_DrunkeNFeasT]

Shanus I had forgotten and noticed nobody has said this but marth could also djc in melee as well

OMFGLOL, he to my understanding can't :o

lol, tipo donde escuchastes eso?

more on topic, are fox/falco/falcon weight feeling like melee

and/or will Dk be able to chaingrab them?

**will fox be able to chaingrab him self or falco?**

 

[-Darc-]

I GUESSSSSSSSS

/shrugs

 

[Marth175]

@Namq: nadie lo aprendi de una muchacha que usaba a marth de main, desps te busco el video, intentalo usa sideB al principio de el segundo brinco

 

[Shadic]

@ETWIST51294: Theyre not heavy in brawl... they fall like rocks in melee

Gravity != Weight.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Gravity != Weight.

THIIIlSSSSSS

I'm not a scrub, I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Marth175]

Never said you were...Sheesh can't even shine a little light on a rarely used technique without almost getting eaten alive...

 

[DarkDragoon]

NOMNOMNOM.

But yeah, fairly sure you can still do that with Brawl already, and if you can't its a 2 second fix.
-DD

 

[Marth175]

Lol, but yeah not exactly, in brawl overB kills your momentum completely, nothing to work with, melees version though works almost exactly like djc which is why I associate them, because it kills vertical momentum gain and in exchange sends him diagonally down depending on the driection your facing ofcourse

 

[GP&B]

Just because I like elaborating on my thoughts while reading...
While I'm not entirely sure how max hop and short hop heights are determined, I do know the difference between weight and gravity.
Melee's universal gravity, to start with, is higher than Brawl's. However, that's only one part of it. You then have individual down gravities which actually determine how fast a character drops (NOT HOW FAST A CHARACTER RISES). Up gravity (which is, I believe, JumpVelocity or something similar in PSA terms) and its individual full hop and short hop values determine the speed at which the character reaches each respectively.
Finally, weight determines knockback resistance and probably a few other factors I can't remember. A character can be heavy and floaty. Just look at any heavy character in vBrawl /lulz. Fox and Falco are something around medium weight. Their down gravities are very high though.

Correct me if I missed on any of this.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Fox and Falco are lightweights. Well, I think Falco's borderline middle weight.

 

[GP&B]

Was never entirely sure on their weights (or anyone for that matter besides some obvious characters like Jiggs, Kirby, Bowser, and DK).

 

[Dan_X]

Oh. Stupid Jigglypuffs.

I like your username btw

Yeah, those darn jigglypuffs! Whatever should we do with them?

Oh, and thanks. Your user name is pretty cool too. Sounds... Intimidating. Judging by your name I'd say your good. You should fear me, one of my fellow Orcas took out a trainer at sea world tonight... You may be next.

 

[shanus]

Final step for HAD is now complete. It now decays per frame and feels amazing.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Yesssssss, good job, shanus.

 

[Rikana]

Just making us more antsy.

 

[iLink]

Might I might have missed something, what exactly decays?

 

[ValTroX]

Great news. So, you are off to tweak gravity now?

 

[shanus]

Just making us more antsy.

This is a major milestone in development. Most of the mechanics are now in place.

Only major codes remaining involve:
Crouch canceling?
Light shield presses for l-canceling + light shields?

Minor codes:
Meteor canceling
PS reflect

 

[Wind Owl]

Might I might have missed something, what exactly decays?

Momentum

Spoiler

, SON

 

[Rikana]

This is a major milestone in development. Most of the mechanics are now in place.

Only major codes remaining involve:
Crouch canceling?
Light shield presses for l-canceling + light shields?

Minor codes:
Meteor canceling
PS reflect

Light shielding definitely sounds hard. There's probably ways to work around Crouch Canceling though. Something will eventually come up.

What do you have in mind for Meteor Canceling though? I don't know how to code and such but I understand how it works. I remember you said that there aren't any codes within the game that implies a "spike". So, from my assumption, are you gonna make anything that sends you lower than the horizontal axis Meteor Cancelable? Well, maybe more specific. Something in range of the degree you're being launched off to. Dunno if I'm making any sense here lol.

Power Shielding with reflecting properties sounds simple.

 

[ValTroX]

Does Fox fall like a rock? I loved that about him. Also, seems that the progress is going great, maybe greater than any of us expected, so beta seems close, I guess sooner than my summer expectation?
EDIT: Crouch canceling is necessary, light shield presses is just optional i guess.

 

[CountKaiser]

How would you work light presses? That would only work with GC controllers, and there are people that prefer the CC, like me.

 

[Wind Owl]

Meteor canceling actually sounds pretty easy.

 

[Shadic]

This is a major milestone in development. Most of the mechanics are now in place.

Only major codes remaining involve:
Crouch canceling?
Light shield presses for l-canceling + light shields?

Minor codes:
Meteor canceling
PS reflect

You still have the fantasy code of making tethers work awesomely again.

 

[GPDP]

How would you work light presses? That would only work with GC controllers, and there are people that prefer the CC, like me.

Actually, I think the Wii is also capable of registering light presses from the CC.

 

[Deleted member]

OMFGLOL, he to my understanding can't :o

lol, tipo donde escuchastes eso?

more on topic, are fox/falco/falcon weight feeling like melee

and/or will Dk be able to chaingrab them?

**will fox be able to chaingrab him self or falco?**

This is an interesting point that may not have been publicly discussed yet. What will become of CG's like Marios, Marths, Ganons, Fox, and Sheik?

A nice option would be to have the grabs CG for like 20% on certain characters in situational percentage ranges. After that, it would just set up for a combo with predicted DI and reaction. would be a nice change from some of the obnoxious CG's in Melee.

 

[ETWIST51294]

I think CGs should be like they were in Melee.

 

[cubaisdeath]

That ****s gay. Have you ever dthrew a jiggs a she ****ing rests you out of it??? That ****s gay too.

then don't dthrow until after 40%. then you can knee =)

 

[Dan_X]

@shanus, Great news!! That's awesome man.

Btw, more on Sheik for a moment. So her Fair has been powered up at the cost of her tether recovery removal. This is fine, as I'd like her to play like her Melee self. However, what about her Uair? I just played Melee a bit... God I love her uair in that. Her uair in Brawl+ is garbage in comparison. It's so difficult to kill with. Has her uair been restored in P:M?

 

[cubaisdeath]

How would you work light presses? That would only work with GC controllers, and there are people that prefer the CC, like me.

Actually, I think the Wii is also capable of registering light presses from the CC.

it can actually. Light sheilding is an essential part of melee. its one of the best ways to stay safe on a platform as well as dealing with shield pressure (mainly it allows you to deal with spacies shield pressure). it would be silly not to include it if its possible.

also, if you have trouble doing a light press on your CC you can just shield then hold your grab button. then release your shield button and you will light sheild

EDIT:

Fox and Falco are lightweights. Well, I think Falco's borderline middle weight.

they are both pretty light, they just fall fast which gives them the illusion that they are heavy. Falco is light enough to fall down from a shine. if I remember correctly he is very close to the weight threshold for that though. Marth is on the exact border of being waveshined and falling from a shine (look at the PAL version of melee for comparison)

 

[Rikana]

it can actually.

I'm curious how you arrived on this conclusion. I don't think there's one Wii game out that registers light shoulder button inputs. Its different if you put in GC games in a Wii.

I'm all for light shielding but it doesn't seem possible to me.

 

[cubaisdeath]

I dunno, it works for mario kart and *shudder* TvC...

but I'm with you on the whole "light shielding doesn't seem possible" thing. the way the shields are designed in brawl seem less...flawed? shield stab is really uncommon for a lot of characters. if light shielding isn't possible, maybe we should try to find a way to make it so you can angle the shield more.