Puff Matchup

[Whirlwind Werewolf]

Besides Fox, who do you guys think is Puff's most difficult matchup?

 

[TheManaLord]

a marth playing the matchup i.e. approaching less than the jiggs

 

[hungrybox]

other than fox

i would say fox.













but seriously

Doc/DK/Luigi/IC's(chudat)

 

[RestInPeace]

Campy Fox. It might not be most difficult, but at least most annoying.

 

[tickytoc]

doc and luigi definently. ive never played a good dk but im guessing his up air ***** puff. but for sure doc is hard.

 

[thx]

why would doc be a hard matchup? their recovery sucks so once they are off the stage they should be done

 

[KirbyKaze]

same could be said for fox.

 

[RestInPeace]

More time is spent on-stage than off-stage. That's what makes Falco so good in general. But anyway, your best move (Rest) is out of the question versus Doc. Your Bair is still good as always, though.

 

[thx]

same could be said for fox.

but we all kno fox is still a lot faster than jiggly and he has a lot of good moves that outrioritize puffs

which brings me back to the question of why i mean a jiggly who can space well shouldnt have to much of a problem with this because i cant really see what he can do to you back besides pill spam maybe? (im just wondering because im curious)

 

[hungrybox]

doc just has stupid priority

and if course,

down throw kobe.

 

[Erkekjetter]

Pill, pill, pill, down-throw, KOBE!

 

[bolt.]

I think Marth is the second best after Fox, but that because I have never faced a good doc and I can't stand playing Marth with any character.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

bair bair bair bair pill pill kobe grab kobe.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Doc vs Jiggz?

:D

Okay, so he has the best way EVAR to punish your rest. You miss at 10% and you're dead on pretty much any stage. Cape*4>fsmash. I think he can get 5 capes, but I get nervous. Either way, it's ******** easy.

Pills do 8% each. Nair does like... 12? and has this nasty habit of trading with most/possibly all of Jiggz aerials.

If you space a bair so that he can't trade, he can just cape it and get a free 12% on you. Might be 14, dun remember.

Dthrow>rest (the REAL rest, not yo candy *** upb) kills at ******** percents. Like... 40-60ish, depending on stage. Probably 30% on YS. So 2 pills and a random aerial, and you're looking at killing percents.

Usmash is invul and can kill, but I dun use it much vs Jiggs.

Pill camping is gay.

If you're below 15% or so (maybe 10), he can dthrow to dair for like... 24-28%. If he catches you sleeping on your DI, it can go later, and he can end it with a bair/nair/uair, tangent on DI and a billion other things.

jab>dsmash is fairly reliable against puff. You ~could~ try resting, but if he blocks it/it misses, say goodbye to your stock.

So yeah, there are a few reasons why Doc vs Puff = :D

If you get him off the stage, he should be dead.

But considering he has projectiles and most Doc players aren't ********, he'll prolly just force you to approach him in the middle of the stage, so your OMGARR edgeguards aren't too great.

Oh, and don't even think about nair>rest, or any shenanigans like that. If you come in with a backwards nair, rest (hahahahaha) assured that you're gonna eat an fsmash. If you come in with one facing him (dunno why you would, but...), expect a FH ff fair. That's a lotta Fs, and it's gonna kill you at ******** percents.

Just learn Marf for this match-up, srsly.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Five capes is 175 frames, plus the startup on fsmash is 12 which makes 189. Which is nine frames over the three seconds Jigglypuff is asleep.

 

[Tamoo]

rest lasts for 249 frames

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Oh, my bad then. Cape away!

 

[john!]

Also, cape has its own hitlag that is separate from the rest lag. Compare this to this.

 

[m&m1992]

why is fox harder than marth? grab upthrow rest

 

[Tamoo]

Also, cape has its own hitlag that is separate from the rest lag. Compare this to this.

The links dont work for me :/

why is fox harder than marth? grab upthrow rest

Oh crap, we need to rethink this fox matchup guys! We totally overlooked uthrow to rest...

He's harder cos he camps and is impossible to grab, and when he gets grabbed, he DIs the throw

 

[HT F8]

why is fox harder than marth? grab upthrow rest

Basically what Tamoo said. No good Fox is going to get Uthrow Rested almost ever.

And because Fox can laser, run around and do silly Fox things till like 60% then upsmash you into heaven.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Oh crap, we need to rethink this fox matchup guys! We totally overlooked uthrow to rest...

*dies laughing*

Also, Fox just kills Jigglypuff easier than Marth does. Marth against Jigglypuff turns into a pokefest.

 

[m&m1992]

The links dont work for me :/



Oh crap, we need to rethink this fox matchup guys! We totally overlooked uthrow to rest...

He's harder cos he camps and is impossible to grab, and when he gets grabbed, he DIs the throw

okay campy fox is hard.
but when i play against my friend and when i just camp he´d reset the game.

 

[rason110290]

What is a Kobe exactly? Does it have to do with Fair?

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Kobe is the dthrow or uthrow to fair, I believe.

EDIT:

It's guaranteed at kill percentages, supposedly, on everyone except for Samus.

 

[RestInPeace]

For the Fox matchup, just Bair a lot. If you don't get too high, he can't get in. If he lasers, just Bair in frontof him, where its not safe for him to laser. Mix in some empty hops, and they're bound to make a mistake before you even hit him.

 

[Rubyiris]

Kobe is the dthrow or uthrow to fair, I believe.

EDIT:

It's guaranteed at kill percentages, supposedly, on everyone except for Samus.

Kobe is just fair.

Fair is named after whatever your favorite basketball player is.

 

[dudutsai]

Luigi isn't that bad I think

 

[rason110290]

I hate playing luigis. Their Nair just kills me.

 

[ZoSo]

Basically what Tamoo said. No good Fox is going to get Uthrow Rested almost ever.

And because Fox can laser, run around and do silly Fox things till like 60% then upsmash you into heaven.

This is such an lol statement. Every good Fox has been upthrow rested in legit tournament matches.

The only real difference is Fox/Falco are the only top tiers that can actually grab Puff safely, and only Fox can really punish Jiggs out of it.

-ArcNatural

 

[dudutsai]

Rollout kills everyone at high percentages.
Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7tOmbi0wLA

 

[rason110290]

Im suprised that fox didnt make its way to the platform

 

[Peach Masta]

Peach is soooo freaking hard. I'm pretty sure I can't beat peach with Jiggs haha. So I just go campy fox :/

 

[RestInPeace]

Spam Bair?

 

[Meverse]

Peach is soooo freaking hard. I'm pretty sure I can't beat peach with Jiggs haha. So I just go campy fox :/

marth's pretty gud 2 :3

 

[GeneralWoodman]

peach isn't impossible, you just have to be a wizard with nair

 

[Dogysamich]

-strolls through whistling-.

... O_o.

Wait a sec. You guys say Luigi is actually pretty hard for Jiggs?

Explain this one to me.

 

[Tamoo]

he isn't >.>

jus play gayer ppl!

 

[Meverse]

he isn't >.>

jus play gayer ppl!

words of a wise man

 

[dudutsai]

Nair a ton and fsmash randomly

Just can't underestimate his ground movement and his aerials.