KirinBlaze
Smash Lord
Why is this game so AMAZING? It never ceases to please me. 
Seriously though, that's a crazy infinite. ROB deserves it.
Seriously though, that's a crazy infinite. ROB deserves it.
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ROB vs ZSS now 0-100
- Thread starter Jamnt0ast
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stingers
Smash Obsessed
ugh **** zss x_x
well i'm picking up ICs then. if people want to gay me, I'll just gay them harder
well i'm picking up ICs then. if people want to gay me, I'll just gay them harder
Crystanium
Smash Hero
Get *****, R.O.B. You'll never bother me ever again. 
stingers
Smash Obsessed
like zss-rob wasn't already in zss' favor? 
well all well i needed to learn another character anyway
well all well i needed to learn another character anyway
Ochobobo
Smash Lord
LOL
I'd love to see that in a tournament (one without so strict rules on infinites lol)
I'd love to see that in a tournament (one without so strict rules on infinites lol)
CJTHeroofTime
Smash Lord
Hella gay.........
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Get wrecked ROB
lil cj
Smash Lord
ROB is still a beast!
Ussi
Smash Legend
footstools should have never existed... or at least BE TECHABLE!!!
Mr.E
Smash Lord
After being flabbergasted the first few hours, not to mention personal testing to verify its legitimately, I'm just looking up and thinking positively. And yes, it's absolutely legitimate.
At this point, I don't think it's even been confirmed that a wake-up or wake-up attack doesn't beat it; ZSS's DSmash is quite slow, after all. So let's just assume it is. How big of a deal is it? ZSS already had an infinite grab-release on Wario, as does Yoshi, and tons of characters have other grab-release set-ups on him. How are top Wario players doing? It seems they're doing perfectly fine to me. He's still an upper-tier character. As far as I know, people don't CP ZSS or Yoshi against Futile or Reflex and beat them. Okay, Snakeee will perfect it and put ROB mains into loser's, him and the three or so other top ZSS players. *shrug* Oh well. :/ As a generic counterpick by most players, you have nothing to worry about.
This infinite has other problems associated with it. Namely, ZSS has absolutely no set-up for a DSmash. It's her slowest attack and nothing can combo into it, the only way she lands it is if you let her land it. And what if you get caught recovering, through the platform she's standing on, or it beats out your short hop approach? She can't start the infinite from those positions. Both of you have to be on the ground, on the same level of terrain (not different platforms), and she has to be fairly close -- she doesn't have time to dash up for the footstool if she catches your extended hurtbox at the edge of ROB's FTilt, for example. (She does not need to be right on top of ROB, however. She can start it up from anywhere inside the DSmash's natural range.) Much like avoiding grabs against Ice Climbers, minus the whole not being able to split ZSS in half, it may just require a slight change in playstyle. What's the worst this does, make her match-up as tough as Meta Knight? Big deal. ;/
And hey, if this ends up being not a true infinite, then we have nothing to worry about at all. It's very difficult at best.
At this point, I don't think it's even been confirmed that a wake-up or wake-up attack doesn't beat it; ZSS's DSmash is quite slow, after all. So let's just assume it is. How big of a deal is it? ZSS already had an infinite grab-release on Wario, as does Yoshi, and tons of characters have other grab-release set-ups on him. How are top Wario players doing? It seems they're doing perfectly fine to me. He's still an upper-tier character. As far as I know, people don't CP ZSS or Yoshi against Futile or Reflex and beat them. Okay, Snakeee will perfect it and put ROB mains into loser's, him and the three or so other top ZSS players. *shrug* Oh well. :/ As a generic counterpick by most players, you have nothing to worry about.
This infinite has other problems associated with it. Namely, ZSS has absolutely no set-up for a DSmash. It's her slowest attack and nothing can combo into it, the only way she lands it is if you let her land it. And what if you get caught recovering, through the platform she's standing on, or it beats out your short hop approach? She can't start the infinite from those positions. Both of you have to be on the ground, on the same level of terrain (not different platforms), and she has to be fairly close -- she doesn't have time to dash up for the footstool if she catches your extended hurtbox at the edge of ROB's FTilt, for example. (She does not need to be right on top of ROB, however. She can start it up from anywhere inside the DSmash's natural range.) Much like avoiding grabs against Ice Climbers, minus the whole not being able to split ZSS in half, it may just require a slight change in playstyle. What's the worst this does, make her match-up as tough as Meta Knight? Big deal. ;/
And hey, if this ends up being not a true infinite, then we have nothing to worry about at all. It's very difficult at best.
Crystanium
Smash Hero
I guess that makes more sense, since R.O.B. is a robot.
That would solve the problem of the Ice Climbers infinite grab. We can't always get what we want. Hm, you use Pikachu, and Pikachu has a new chain-grab. A bit ironic, I'd say.
Mr E. said:
What? No, "quite slow" fits the description for Ike's f-smash.You're a real joker, aren't you? Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought her f-smash was slowest attack that she has. Oh, and I stopped reading the rest of whatever it was you wrote after this sentence.Mr. E. said:
Superspright
Smash Lord
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He still has a point. ROB has the tools necessary to outcamp ZSS all day--the only time ZSS is a real threat is when she has her armor. After the armor game is gone it's back to good ol' gyro-laser and space with everything else.
Snakeee
Smash Master
I honestly think it should end up being banned.
And Mr. E, it is not all that difficult for her to d-smash ROB at all. Do you realize that her d-smash even outranges ROB's tilts?
I'm probably going to end up using it if it is allowed, but I'm hoping it will be. I think any infinite that isn't too difficult to pull off or too situational shouldn't be in tourney.
Start up wise, the d-smash is pretty slow. Try to find a way for ROB to avoid it, because I know that if an opponent hits the floor, and doesn't tech ZSS does not have time to D-smash them if they roll away or get up attack. I guess ROB's footstool animation takes longer than that?
EDIT: Why do people still think that the armor is the only good thing about ZSS? o_O. What's ironic is that I hardly use them at all really
Double Edit:
And Mr. E, it is not all that difficult for her to d-smash ROB at all. Do you realize that her d-smash even outranges ROB's tilts?
I'm probably going to end up using it if it is allowed, but I'm hoping it will be. I think any infinite that isn't too difficult to pull off or too situational shouldn't be in tourney.
Start up wise, the d-smash is pretty slow. Try to find a way for ROB to avoid it, because I know that if an opponent hits the floor, and doesn't tech ZSS does not have time to D-smash them if they roll away or get up attack. I guess ROB's footstool animation takes longer than that?
EDIT: Why do people still think that the armor is the only good thing about ZSS? o_O. What's ironic is that I hardly use them at all really
Double Edit:
....You're picking up IC's for ZSS??? Ok, have fun
I dont believe you can do a wake up attack or even roll. I believe ZSS is putting you into a forced get up animation.
GwJ
Smash Hero
I'm going this way too.
Sudai
Stuff here
ICs vs ZSS is a bbaadd idea guys. <.<
Gindler
Smash Champion
Lol, and I JUST started using ROB against ZSS. That range just wrecked all my characters................*sigh* back to the drawing boards
Sudai
Stuff here
It was already in ZSS's favor before this. Using ROB as a counterpick wasn't a good idea in the first place. Try someone that actually has an advantaged match-up against her.
Roxas215
Smash Lord
I was about to say the same thing. ZSS already had the matchup advantage before this was found.It was already in ZSS's favor before this. Using ROB as a counterpick wasn't a good idea in the first place. Try someone that actually has an advantaged match-up against her.
If dedede's gay *** cg is still allowed then this will be as well. However rob has the tools he need to outcamp zss. And besides snakeee and a few others i don't see this matchup happening alot at tournaments at all. I mean remember when peach's bair lock was found? I still have yet to see it used in tournaments. Stuff like this is found all the time. Don't mean it's going to become useful at high level play.
At the very least just pick your secondary. This has nothing on what pikachu can now do to falco. Falco mains NEEDS A LEGIT SECONDARY now. There is no other way around it.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
ROB can't outcamp ZSS. She's too fast and she pressures ROB waaaaay too well from our danger zone (the area outside of ftilt range but too close to blindly spam projectiles), which is a big reason why she won the matchup in the first place. Her dsmash was already an amazing setup, but now it's just stupid. It's like IC's grab but easier to land, with much better range
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
yay!
i love this matchup!
i love this matchup!
Azuzu
Smash Cadet
I don't know. This doesn't really worry me that much. Look how close ZSS has to be to start this, that's a tough sell and is perfect for spotdodge -> dsmash. I guess it makes it a worse matchup, but it's not 0-100 by any means.
Anyone tested this on slight slopes?
Anyone tested this on slight slopes?
ICs? I think you meant MK.
FB Dj_Iskascribble
Frostbitten
Why does everyone suggest mk when falco vs ZSS is harder for her
Stop it! X[
Stop it! X[
That is a trufax.
and so is the infinite.
I'm wondering though, I was messing around with air footstools vs ROB last week or so and found out that Sonic can footstool > F-air/U-air since ROB's footstool starts the opponent off almost inside him.
I didn't get to test, but can Snake footstool>U-air ROB? haha.
cutter
Smash Champion
I learned how to do Ice Climbers infinites in two weeks. They are really not that hard to do, and hobbling is so easy my sister can do it.
Based on your logic, we should ban Ice Climbers infinites as well.
Jamnt0ast
Smash Journeyman
lmfao at you all thinking this was an april fools joke
Snakeee
Smash Master
maybe we should
I don't know honestly. I can't even make a clear standpoint on this right now lol. I will use it though
FireKirby7
Smash Lord
Well.... at least the infinite looks cool... Like you can mix it up with paralyzers and jab locks instead of pressing the same buttons over and over. Not worse than DDD and Marth's infinites IMO. Plus it's looks easier to slip up while doing it.
But wow this really sucks for ROB's. It's just one matchup though,
Plus it's looks easier to slip up while doing it.But wow this really sucks for ROB's. It's just one matchup though,
stingers
Smash Obsessed
lol
i was gonna pick up ICs before I found this topic
just felt like mentioning it again XD
i was gonna pick up ICs before I found this topic
just felt like mentioning it again XD
cutter
Smash Champion
Things should only be banned when they are absolutely dominating the game so bad that it becomes the only viable tactic.maybe we should
I don't know honestly. I can't even make a clear standpoint on this right now lol. I will use it though
When was the last time ICs players were utterly obliterating tournaments?
Sonic has an easy jab lock setup thanks to the properties of ROB's footstool animation.
SD or ASC > Footstool > ffnair > jab lock
Maybe you guys should look into ROB's properties and what each character can do to them, because this is gonna spread...
SD or ASC > Footstool > ffnair > jab lock
Maybe you guys should look into ROB's properties and what each character can do to them, because this is gonna spread...
BoTastic!
Smash Master
Ban >_>
Besides, I've always used Mario and peach for Zamus anyway.
Besides, I've always used Mario and peach for Zamus anyway.
Sudai
Stuff here
Nah, other characters can find out **** they can do against us. We'll just figure out ways around it. : )
BoTastic!
Smash Master
Grab releases don't stop Wario.
Why should this stop us?
Why should this stop us?
Ishoku
Smash Apprentice
^ agreed.
xD
xD
goldemblem
Smash Apprentice
Does this work on all chars or only on rob? i am kind of getting afraid
Sudai
Stuff here
Only ROB because of his unique footstool animation.
Fatmanonice
Banned via Warnings
You know, about a year ago I'd be completely losing it right now and laughing at all the ROB mains but now that I've come to peace with him being in Brawl, I kind of feel bad for you guys. Eh, Wario can get infinited by 8 people and it really hasn't weighed him down in the least in high levels of competition so I wouldn't worry about it that much.