Roll Dodge Tier list. Under Construction.

[Xebenkeck]

Ness' are average at best. Also iirc Ikes back dodge is pretty amazing

 

[Napilopez]

first of all you should seperate forward and backwards rolling into 2 lists.

this should be based completely off of frame data too.

Distance matters too

 

[PKNintendo]

Wario should be bottom for his rolls. They're garbage. Ness' stink too...

 

[Adriel]

Huh, why is Ivysaur's so good?

 

[RyanPF]

Peach's isn't great but Yoshi's is near the bottom (if not at).

 

[BurningCrusader777]

Pit's are pretty nice; not sure on the frame data though. Lucario's is obviously indisputably Top Tier.

Criteria should be...

- Start-up
- Invincibility frames
- Cooldown frames
- Distance/speed to get to that distance

Glide Tossing should not be factored in, as there is no direct link between rolling ability and glide tossing.

 

[Mr. Escalator]

Gaw's roll is slow and eaily telepgraphed, so it's easy to punish. Gaw's roll sucks.

Did you really not get the gist of my post? It was to show how the best and "worst" stack up framewise. It's really not any slower, the main difference is that it's shorter. He goes a shorter distance with those frames, while Lucario has similar data on his roll, just that he goes farther.

This is a very dumb list. No criteria, and very little effort put into the original post.
The main reason this is useless is because everyone should know a characters defensive options if they have played around a bit. Everyone knows Lucario's is a beast roll, and G&W's distance is terrible, so why make a list for something everyone should know about from simple play? At least the recovery tier list has some merit from the discussion generated in it.

Though, if you really want to do this, you can make it into a Defensive Options thread. List a characters defensive options (Roll, Spotdodge, Airdodge, and some things like G&W's upB) so people can compare that. But people should know their own character's defensive junk, even without frame data.

Meh

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Zelda's rolls are actually pretty good. Ironically they seem much better than her counterpart, sheik's.

 

[Kennahh]

falcon, marth, and sheik all have good rolls, i think zelda's is ok? samus' is terribad, link's is ok, around middle of the tier

What are you talking about, Link's roll is really slow and predictable. It doesn't even go very far either.

 

[Nicole]

diddy has pretty good rolls, i'd say mid/high at least, he's pretty quick and his roll goes fairly far.

 

[stRIP]

Ganons back roll is amazing. test it!

 

[Adapt]

Here's a bit of data, courtesy of 3GOD for the most part

ZSS
Spot Dodge
Total Frames: 25
Invincible on Frames: 2-20

Back Roll
Total Frames: 37
Invincible on Frames: 4-19

Forward Roll
Total Frames: 27
Invincible on Frames: 4-15

Air Dodge
Total Frames: 39
Invincible on Frames: 4-29

Wario
Spot Dodge:
Total: 25
Invincible frames 2 – 20

Roll Backward:
Total: 37
Invincible frames 4 – 21

Roll Forward:
Total: 37
Invincible frames 4 – 21

Air Dodge:
Total: 39
Invincible frames 4 – 29

Lucas
Spot Dodge:
Total: 25
Invincible frames 2 – 20

Roll Backward:
Total: 31
Invincible frames 4 – 19

Roll Forward:
Total: 31
Invincible frames 4 – 19

Air Dodge:
Total: 48
Invincible frames 4 – 29

Marth
Spot Dodge
Total: 24
Invincible frames 2 – 20

Roll Backward
Total: 35
Invincible frames 4 – 23

Roll Forward
Total: 35
Invincible frames 4 – 19

Air Dodge
Total: 49
Invincible frames 5 – 30

MK
Spot Dodge Lasts 25 Frames
Invincible Frames 2 – 20

Roll Backward Lasts 33 Frames
Invincible Frames 4 – 12

Roll Forward Lasts 23 Frames
Invincible Frames 5 – 12

Air Dodge Lasts 39 Frames
Invincible Frames 3 – 28

Peach
Spot Dodge:
Total: 25
Invincible Frames 2 – 20

Roll Backward:
Total: 31
Invincible Frames 5 – 20

Roll Forward:
Total: 31
Invincible Frames 4 – 19

Air Dodge:
Total: 49
Invincible Frames 4 – 19


Wario has terrible rolls from what I see here, MK and ZSS don't have a very good back roll... but their forward roll is fine
Peach, Lucas and Marth have pretty crappy airdodges.

Also, Courtesy of OBM, Roll lengths

...............roll...............tech
gw..........1.5...............1.1
lucario...1.95............1.2
ganon....1.75............1.4
rob.........1.75............1.4
jiggz.......1.3..............1.45
kirby......1.5..............1.5
pikachu.1.2..............1.5
ness.......2.................1.5
sonic......1.75............1.5
bowser..1.1..............1.5
wario.....1.65............1.5
olimar...1.5...............1.5
icies.......1.65............1.55
lucas......2.................1.55
diddy.....2..................1.6
meta k..1.75............1.6
t link......1.7..............1.7
mario....2..................1.75
samus...1.85............1.75
zss.........2..................1.75
sheik.....1.75............1.75
lizardon.1.4.............1.75
captain..1.85...........1.75
pit...........1.5.............1.8
snake....2.4..............1.8
dk...........1.75...........1.85
fox.........1.9..............1.85
luigi........2.5.............1.9
ike..........2.1.............1.9
marth....2.1.............1.95
yoshi......1.7.............1.95
ddd.........1.7.............1.95
falco.......1.95...........2
ivysaur..2.25...........2
peach.....2................2
wolf........1.9..............2
link.........2.1..............2.1
zelda.....2.25............2.25
squirtle.1.75............2.25

I'm sure there is more, but these are the ones that I could find with a quick perusal of the boards.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Zelda has a great airdodge

peach has a great spotdodge

 

[The_Prince]

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that's a lot of data to go through

 

[Witch_]

Zelda's airdodge does go on for quite a bit of time...

I was under the impression R.O.B. has the worst roll? I've been told by a few R.O.B. mains that they don't even bother with it.

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

DDD's roll is at least upper-mid tier.

DDD has a roll?

 

[Mr. Escalator]

Curse you Adapt! I was going to post OBM's results on tech rolls, but you beat me there. Uups.

Here is G&W's stuff that I didn't include:

Spotdodge:
• 1 Startup
• 2-20 Invincible
• 21-25 Cooldown

Airdodge:
• 1-2 Startup
• 3-29 Invincible
• 30-49 Aerial cooldown

 

[Crizthakidd]

u guys gota take in mind that what makes a roll good. the invince frames, the speed or is it used to side step a bit or aactually do a barrel roll

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

falcon, marth, and sheik all have good rolls, i think zelda's is ok? samus' is terribad, link's is ok, around middle of the tier

Marth's sucks lmao

 

[hippiedude92]

Luigi's roll is just about medicore. Put it around top of low or mid of low. Same as well as Mario's.

 

[akkon888]

I will give you what I know.

Ike's roll dodge is about average. It takes a while to start up, but has a long duration of invincibility frames, and an alright range. He should be mid tier.

Falco's roll dodge rocks. Minimal startup time, good distance, and good invincibility frames. High tier.

Lucas' roll is not bad, but it is quite short. He would be a Mid-Low tier.

Kirby's roll is good. Short, but gives a LOT of invincibility frames. Mid-Upper Tier.

Surprisingly, Ganondorf's roll is ok, it has a great range, but is just a bit too slow (lol @ Sonic taunt) He is a mid tier roll dodger.

Dedede's roll is very impressive, it has great range, and what it lacks in speed, it makes up for in invincibility frames. High tier, up with Falco.

Lucario's roll is average. Average speed, range, and time invincible. Mid tier, not top, wow.

DK's roll is average. It has good range and invincibility frames, but is quite slow.

MK has above average with speed. Wow.

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[CaliburChamp]

I updated the list. Give your opinions on the new list, as long as you play the character. Good data to give is:

Long roll
Alot of invincibility frames
Speed of the Roll
Is the Roll Glide tossable?
Roll with a fast start up time to invincibility.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Ike's roll sucks. We never use his roll. Like, at all.

 

[Slasherx]

Ike has like the worst roll of them all.
That's why he came with a unique move called "counter".

 

[illinialex24]

Jigglypuff's roll is pretty bad...

 

[Emblem Lord]

lol.

If you look at Marth's frame data and distance for his rolls they are actually ok. Not abusable or anything, but not horrendous.

Average.

Mid tier IMO.

Now his airdodge is crap. lmao.

 

[Vorguen]

Zelda's airdodge does go on for quite a bit of time...

I was under the impression R.O.B. has the worst roll? I've been told by a few R.O.B. mains that they don't even bother with it.

Yeah we use R.O.B.'s spotdodge which happens to be amazing.

 

[Delta_0]

I will give you what I know.

Ike's roll dodge is about average. It takes a while to start up, but has a long duration of invincibility frames, and an alright range. He should be mid tier.

Falco's roll dodge rocks. Minimal startup time, good distance, and good invincibility frames. High tier.

Lucas' roll is not bad, but it is quite short. He would be a Mid-Low tier.

Kirby's roll is good. Short, but gives a LOT of invincibility frames. Mid-Upper Tier.

Surprisingly, Ganondorf's roll is ok, it has a great range, but is just a bit too slow (lol @ Sonic taunt) He is a mid tier roll dodger.

Dedede's roll is very impressive, it has great range, and what it lacks in speed, it makes up for in invincibility frames. High tier, up with Falco.

Lucario's roll is average. Average speed, range, and time invincible. Mid tier, not top, wow.

DK's roll is average. It has good range and invincibility frames, but is quite slow.

MK has above average with speed. Wow.

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LOL. Kirby's is NOT better than Lucario's. That said...none are better than Lucario's. And I'm not just saying that because I main him, I'm saying that because it's f*cking true.

 

[Frown]

Don't move Yoshi ANYWHERE.

 

[Ussi]

Ike's roll sucks. We never use his roll. Like, at all.

Ike has like the fastest heavyweight roll/spotdodge

 

[Zephramrill]

Rolling is terrible... Learn 2 Shield/Spotdodge

 

[Cherry64]

Crap tier
Samus

Lawl. Agree'd I rarely roll anymore, her recovery time is sh*tty.

 

[Ulevo]

The boards really need to cut back on useless threads.

Exactly how is this constructive for the community in any which way? Wouldn't it be better to just construct frame data for every characters rolls? That's information we can actually use, and wouldn't be arbitrary.

 

[Phantomwake]

Sheik's roll seems to be unnecessarily low

 

[Vorguen]

Framerate for rolls is something I would much rather look at but whatever a thread like this would still make me lawl and look at it....


once....

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Sheik's roll seems to be unnecessarily low

sheik's spotdodge is bad, but her rolls are only meh.

it's ironic that a ninja like charter has some of the worst evasive maneuvers in the game.

Zelda, on the other hand, is quite good at dodging in all forms.

 

[LinkSpecialist]

Link should be top tier. Who else rolls over entire lands just to get across (besides that hedgehog)? But like everyone else in brawl, Sakurai doesn't stay true to the character.

 

[Phantom7]

i pretty much agree with this list, even though it's hard to say. But yes, Yoshi's is completely useless.

 

[vanderzant]

Toon Links roll should probably be lower. It's almost unusable.