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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

0Room

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Well my post has finally been stickied
and there's now a "new posts" feature

Here's what I found so far
unfortunately I haven't been able to format them yet but even so

New Posts!
This is a section where you can see what was added recently, before it gets lost in the shuffle.

Magus on Roy reverse upB 5/21/11
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JPeGImage

Smash Ace
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I think I know what he's sayin

that old broad looks somewhat like a really really older version of room's icon. . . .
and since all posters on swf obv look like their icons. . . .
boom, Room actually does work there!
. . .makes sense to me. . . .


PP: It's not, but it is really tough. Work more side bs and WD OoS for starters
rly?
I guess I might have to take his word for the time being. . . . side b just seems so bad though when it's not being used for a tech chase (and even using it for a tech chase is sometimes risky on fd). . .
The falcos I play just see the sideB and start jamming jab/utilt/ftilt (depending on their %s, though im not sure if theyre thinking about it that much) and it ****s on my rboost so hard. . . or theyll try ccing->shine if theyre under 50 60ish
And if Im trying to catch them from an aerial, they either see it, and ff->sheild->bair/dair, or they throw out a nair/dair beforehand if theyre high enough
It's gotten me to take sideB from my falco game completely (- techchases)

maybe only use it only if the falco is around 75+?
So at least if you do win the engagement it's an easy kill from there. . . .
Medium-high risk for a high reward. Not the worst. . .
 

Winston

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^ the reason side B is good is it will hit them while they're lasering, unless they shoot the laser low. Like, if you go under a laser and they're in the middle of shing to do another one, **** will ensue. Obviously you can't use it to much or they'll do all the things you mentioned to counter it.

It's just an option you have that can keep Falco honest from relying on non-low lasers too much. He can't lock you down with a single laser height, so it gives you some play to work with, along with all the other options PP mentioned.

Stomp oos just doesnt/shouldnt work.

It will only hit if the spacie is going for the super mindgames(that is just standing/couching right behind u and dont react quick enough to shield.) I suppose itll work if they mess up their shield pressue, but itd be safer to just grab.

Im just talking theory here, ofcourse it will randomly work at times, but not since the days of Isai has stomp oos been viable vs spacies.

:phone:
it'll often beat a standard dair -> shine, and it can beat utilt if the timing is right. SS used to use it to good effect, and that's much more recent than Isai

it'll never beat crossup dair -> sh bair, but if they do that and you just wait out the bair you have a window to escape if you don't challenge it

not saying it's a particularly good option (I'm not good enough at it to judge), but it isn't a strictly invalid option even in theory
 

Roneblaster

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The point i was trying to make is, stomp oos vs mangos aggro fox and tell me how that goes. Stomp oos vs kels and tell me how it goes. When spacies do it right stomp oos IS NOT an option.

:phone:
 

mers

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^ the reason side B is good is it will hit them while they're lasering, unless they shoot the laser low. Like, if you go under a laser and they're in the middle of shing to do another one, **** will ensue. Obviously you can't use it to much or they'll do all the things you mentioned to counter it.

It's just an option you have that can keep Falco honest from relying on non-low lasers too much. He can't lock you down with a single laser height, so it gives you some play to work with, along with all the other options PP mentioned.



it'll often beat a standard dair -> shine, and it can beat utilt oos if the timing is right. SS used to use it to good effect, and that's much more recent than Isai

it'll never beat crossup dair -> sh bair, but if they do that and you just wait out the bair you have a window to escape if you don't challenge it

not saying it's a particularly good option (I'm not good enough at it to judge), but it isn't a strictly invalid option even in theory
it'll often beat a standard dair -> shine, and it can beat utilt oos if the timing is right. SS used to use it to good effect, and that's much more recent than Isai
it can beat utilt oos if the timing is right
utilt oos
As a Falco/Marth main, this is my ultimate fantasy.
 

Winston

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^ LOL

editing time... >< what the hell am I typing

The point i was trying to make is, stomp oos vs mangos aggro fox and tell me how that goes. Stomp oos vs kels and tell me how it goes. When spacies do it right stomp oos IS NOT an option.

:phone:
Falco's pressure and Fox's pressure is different enough that that's not a very good argument... I wouldn't advocate doing sh stomp oos vs a good fox, you're correct there.

and do you really think PP doesn't know how Falco's shield pressure works >_>
 
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stomp out of shield is a high risk high reward option and should never work and you should feel like a tard for using it

but i use it anyways
 
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