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What strings do you use, what aerials do you lead in with, do you resort to cheesy down tilt spam? Or do you just avoid engaging shields?
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What do you have against downtilt spam? It's great, probably the best thing he has to challenge shields.What strings do you use, what aerials do you lead in with, do you resort to cheesy down tilt spam? Or do you just avoid engaging shields?
His best pressure on shield, but not nearly as many follow-ups as mag pressure.Aerial magnet is +4 on shield if you immediately DJC on the first possible frame. It is -1 if you jump out on the first possible frame.
Down tilt on shield is arguably his best pressure.
Dtilt has a ton of follow ups.
I'm not debasing Dtilt as shield pressure. It's great for a lot of scenarios, but mag has a lot more variability in terms of how you can approach a shield and how you can follow up on shield escape. It's easy to punish a roll from dtilt pressure buuuut it's easier with mag, because timing is not as much of a factor; you can JC at any time to react from a roll, whereas if they roll and you have a dtilt on buffer, your offensive options are a little limited, and can definitely turn things around on you. It's just never felt right to me compared to Mag.not nearly as many
Oh **** really? +4 is ridiculously goodAerial magnet is +4 on shield if you immediately DJC on the first possible frame. It is -1 grounded if you jump out on the first possible frame.
Down tilt on shield is arguably his best pressure.
Yup.Oh **** really? +4 is ridiculously good
Did that change in the last patch, or has it always been +4? Coulda sworn the frame data thread said +2 not too long ago.
Well he still gets beat out by spacies+Lucas, lucario, probably GnW and snake too, but he's definitely up there. Actually samus has wicked shield pressure now too but I think ness' beats hersNess shield pressure potentially some of the best in PM right now.
Dair -> bomb is _relatively_ safe on shield and bombs do HELLA shield damage+set up for another Dair or Jab cancels if they stay in shield (samus jab cancel is safe except maybe against Marth/dedede/zard but probably them too)Samus doesn't have good shield pressure.
Right yeah that's why I just kinda threw her in there at the end. Ness' is better and 1000x easier inputs.Samus has pseudo shield pressure where it's actually not completely safe. Even jab cancels aren't completely safe. It's interesting, because it's fast, but none of it is actually that safe. What makes her shield pressure respectable is that she has a lot of different options to use on shield. But most good players know how to just circumvent that. I guess "not good" is a bit of strong term, because it's not particularly bad. But it's not amazing.
Fair is terrible on shield, so I'd avoid using it. Like other people have said, Magnet into the other aerials is pretty decent, but after the aerial you probably don't have frame advantage anymore. The strongest pressure honestly might be to wavedash out of the Magnet and start downtilting.Which aerials are best to lead into a shield pressure string (if any?) I'm assuming DJC Dair/Fair?