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Smash Lord
Dont Ban Metaknight!
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I've already refuted the "popularity" claim.And we're still arguing over-centralization due to popularity. How about you actually prove how unbeateable or at least super-hard-to-beat MK is for once. And not by pulling up tournament results. Use actual arguments based on the metagame, match-up data and video evidence.
You have a fundamentally flawed understanding of what diversity really is.Diversity is not an argument.
This is indeed wrong.I just want to preface this with an apology for the length.
I'm sorry. I tried to make it shorter.
I've already refuted the "popularity" claim.
Here's the post where I did so: Argument disproving "popularity" claim.
You have a fundamentally flawed understanding of what diversity really is.
Diversity is the only valid argument, and that is true for all competitive games of every genre. No exceptions.
Even if people don't realize it, diversity was the reason that items and stages were banned in Melee; diversity is the reason that stages and items are banned in Brawl; diversity is the reason cards are banned in Magic: the Gathering; diversity is the reason that Akuma was banned in ST;
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Maybe if you do something extreme like CP pika against fox.I wonder if counterpicking decreases competitiveness. Of characters, that is. If you think about it, the best of each character generally don't counterpick. So are we making this game less competitive by giving people crutches? IDK...
EDIT: Eyada, I'll fully read your post later.
I honestly think Planking would turn out to be an unbeatable strategy and don't mind seeing it banned in tournaments. I just think it's hypocritical of our community to ban something we know little about. I honestly still want to see people actually experimenting with it. I doubt it's beatable and I'm almost certain that the advantage it gives is overwhelming, but if we don't know for sure...Considering you're anti ban, I would think you'd want to ban planking so he wouldn't be as gay. Just sayin
This is indeed wrong.
The reason half of the stuff listed is/are banned is because people want to make fighting games as balanced as possible not as "diverse" as possible.
Reason items were banned?
It doesn't make the game more diverse to have items, it tips thee game in the favor of the person who can get to the items. You could be getting thoroughly trashed and recover all of the percent that you've accumulated. Sound fair?
Reason satges were banned ?
Wow. Yes the reason Warioware is banned is because it makes the game more diverse.
Could it be the fact, tha if you do what is required of you and the other person does it, you could gain innvincibility for a set amount of time. This might be fine for the non - competitive smashers, but for the people who spend money time and time again. They wan as fair of a shot as possible to win. This is why the majority of people want MK banned. MK is an unfair tip in the game's balance towards the person using him. So unless you are using him, the scales are tipped against you. Sound right?
Why can't people realize that items were banned because of community preference?Reason items were banned?
It doesn't make the game more diverse to have items, it tips thee game in the favor of the person who can get to the items. You could be getting thoroughly trashed and recover all of the percent that you've accumulated.
While Eyada was only kind of mistaken here... you forget that there has to be one character that's the best at a stage like WarioWare, where being the best would be INCREDIBLY helpful. So in a way, Eyada was right... though at the same time he definitely was NOT right.Reason satges were banned ?
Wow. Yes the reason Warioware is banned is because it makes the game more diverse.
This is indeed wrong.
The reason half of the stuff listed is/are banned is because people want to make fighting games as balanced as possible not as "diverse" as possible.
Reason items were banned?
It doesn't make the game more diverse to have items, it tips thee game in the favor of the person who can get to the items. You could be getting thoroughly trashed and recover all of the percent that you've accumulated. Sound fair?
Reason satges were banned ?
Wow. Yes the reason Warioware is banned is because it makes the game more diverse.
Could it be the fact, tha if you do what is required of you and the other person does it, you could gain innvincibility for a set amount of time. This might be fine for the non - competitive smashers, but for the people who spend money time and time again. They wan as fair of a shot as possible to win. This is why the majority of people want MK banned. MK is an unfair tip in the game's balance towards the person using him. So unless you are using him, the scales are tipped against you. Sound right?
This.Uh just so you know, balanced is very akin to diverse. Diverse amount of SKILLS required that is. Luck=/=skill
I'm not necessarily advocating any one side of the MK debate.I'm currious how people are going to react to that post, Eyada. I'd like to hear a response from the anti-ban on it.
umm not it falls under the I want to win catagory. Unless wanting to use link also means wanting to lose.That's falls under "don't want to use him" category.
I'm not necessarily advocating any one side of the MK debate.
I'm just trying to provide a logical, reasonable framework that can be used to settle the question. The MK debate is a big problem, and there has been a lot of uncertainty and disagreement over the most important question that can be asked:
"How do we decide if Meta Knight should be banned?"
My proposal offers a concrete answer to that question.
If not playing Link means wanting to win, then the next logical statement is that playing Link means not wanting to win, that is, wanting to lose. Therefore, if what you said is true, then what you said after is also true.umm not it falls under the I want to win catagory. Unless wanting to use link also means wanting to lose.
Okay. Bye thenIf the SBR bans meta, I'm gonna quit
Oh man. I think you changed the minds of everyone on the proban side.If the SBR bans meta, I'm gonna quit
Yep. Nice knowing you!Okay. Bye then
Good for you? Do we really need these kind of people in competitive Smash anyway?If the SBR bans meta, I'm gonna quit
Wait, so all of the typing, copy+pasting, and formatting I just did wasn't even needed because this idea has already been presented?Yep. Nice knowing you!For five seconds...
By the way, Eyada, your system has also been posted on AiB by Neko. I wonder how it'll be received there...?
People who don't agree with something and will show how much dissatisfaction they have with a decision made by their community to which they no longer want to be part of because of something as big as this? Yes, I think you need those kind of people, because otherwise you end up with a bunch of people whose ideas and theories fly by without any or very, very few consequences, who will then be presented with a new challenge and mayl not truly be guided to the best (or at least a very good) solution because if it happens to be a wrong or poor decision, nobody will do something to show how wrong/poor it was.Good for you? Do we really need these kind of people in competitive Smash anyway?
This is the best argument for banning Metaknight in the entire thread.If the SBR bans meta, I'm gonna quit
I don't think that's an argument. I think that's a simple "if, then" clause for his own personal reasons.This is the best argument for banning Metaknight in the entire thread.
Exactly. If Metaknight is banned, we finally get rid of Kamikaze.I don't think that's an argument. I think that's a simple "if, then" clause for his own personal reasons.
lol, oh you.Exactly. If Metaknight is banned, we finally get rid of Kamikaze.
I see nothing but positive there.