Shovel Knight ~ Steel Thy Shovel! Amiibo CONFIRMED!

[IceBreakerXY]

Its one source. All of them are saying they don't see anything to doubt the source in question, but its only one source that has said this.

Actually push and tama has said in the nintenzone thread there was more than one source.But yeah we should probably take this conversation to either PM or that thread.This thread should probably be left to discuss all things shovel knight game/moveset speculation i dont think the mods would like us discussing a rumor here anyway

 

[Reila]

Not sure why we should believe anything he says, then.

I don't remember ever saying anyone should believe anything in this thread.

 

[Metalex]

Just gotta jump in here and tell you i just voted for Shovel Knight in the Smash Ballot as a last second vote!

I know that he doesn't really "deserve" the spot or that it is very likely that he will get in, but i just like Shovelknight too much as a character and i think he has amazing moveset potential.

 

[BluePikmin11]

ONE LAST DAY TO VOTE ON THE SG POLLS!
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/10/02/final-vote-reminder/

We also have a preview of the results for part 1 of the individual character poll if you're wondering.
If you haven't voted! PLEASE DO SO!

 

[8-peacock-8]

https://plus.google.com/108751601200732207155/posts/9vetgbha3dS

Likely a mistake on Nintendo's part and not a leak. But it's hilarious either way.

 

[Starcutter]

I think it could be true. They didn't mistakenly add any animal crossing amiibo to the list, or Toad. It's completely possible they just leaked it.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Spoiler

I don't think Chibi Robo is compatible unless he unlocks something.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I think it could be true. They didn't mistakenly add any animal crossing amiibo to the list, or Toad. It's completely possible they just leaked it.

Its also only on the NA site, and NA's Amiibo listings are riddled with errors. I also heard that Chibi-Robo was mistakenly listed as well before he got removed. They probably just add them all to a few games right off the bat since most Amiibo are compatible before they go back and fix them later.

Spoiler

I don't think Chibi Robo is compatible unless he unlocks something.

I heard he got removed, but its possible he's still up I suppose. Anyway, SK will definitely be removed from the listing soon as well.


EDIT: There are no Amiibo that unlock things in Smash to date, they only allow you to create Amiibo Fighters. Would be nice if eventually all non-compatible Amiibo just unlock an Amiibo costume, like Splatoon, but they haven't set it up that way.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Yeah, YachtClub just talked about it with people.

 

[Colololin]

Anyone else think that Yacht Club is just doing damage control at this point? I think he is getting in. People keep saying its not going to happen yet this horse continues to be beaten even by Nintendo themselves. Either a website employee is sharing their vote publicly or he is in and there are fibs being told. I still find it hard to believe they would discuss an amiibo but not the game that started them.

 

[Skyblade12]

Its also only on the NA site, and NA's Amiibo listings are riddled with errors. I also heard that Chibi-Robo was mistakenly listed as well before he got removed. They probably just add them all to a few games right off the bat since most Amiibo are compatible before they go back and fix them later.



I heard he got removed, but its possible he's still up I suppose. Anyway, SK will definitely be removed from the listing soon as well.


EDIT: There are no Amiibo that unlock things in Smash to date, they only allow you to create Amiibo Fighters. Would be nice if eventually all non-compatible Amiibo just unlock an Amiibo costume, like Splatoon, but they haven't set it up that way.

Chibi-Robo is STILL listed as being Smash compatible on its own individual site. Just not on the Smash Bros. page. Similarly, while Shovel Knight is listed on the Smash Bros. page, it's not on the individual Shovel Knight page.
http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/chibi-robo-amiibo-chibi-robo-series
http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/shovel-knight-amiibo-shovel-knight-series

 

[Graizen]

Nintendo must of noticed the Shovel Knight issue, the list of Amiibos is gone!
http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/games/detail/HPp-wrUaZHOKvK_GzCJ9eDkIom6x_TEA

 

[JaidynReiman]

Nintendo must of noticed the Shovel Knight issue, the list of Amiibos is gone!
http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/games/detail/HPp-wrUaZHOKvK_GzCJ9eDkIom6x_TEA

Its still there, I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Graizen]

Its still there, I don't know what you're talking about.

Not here :

 

[JaidynReiman]

Not here :

The Amiibo are added via Javascript. There's a Javascript error preventing them from appearing right now, but all Amiibo have stopped appearing and not just Shovel Knight.

 

[LancerStaff]

This isn't the first mislisting on the amiibo site... Dr. Mario was listed for Splatoon on top of Smash and Mario Party. Actually, that's what gave the Splatoon X Super Mario Sunshine "leak" any credence.

Even if it did work in Smash, who's to say it has to be as a fighter? Could be something else added in an update, like a Mii costume or something. Seeing this next to Chibi Robo's accidental listing makes me think the same could apply to him as well.

 

[Saikyoshi]

As actively vitrolic as I've been towards Nindies in general, I've resigned myself to this. He's what a lot of people want, and I understand why; his game actually has some effort put into it, hearkens back to the old days without being a blatant pale imitation, is probably the most ideal representative for the downloadable section of Nintendo's history, and to top it all off, he uses a weapon that's not a sword.

So all I have to say is "congratulations".

 

[JaidynReiman]

As actively vitrolic as I've been towards Nindies in general, I've resigned myself to this. He's what a lot of people want, and I understand why; his game actually has some effort put into it, hearkens back to the old days without being a blatant pale imitation, is probably the most ideal representative for the downloadable section of Nintendo's history, and to top it all off, he uses a weapon that's not a sword.

So all I have to say is "congratulations".

That's what people said to Chrom's fans before he was officially deconfirmed. You should never assume anything. We have no evidence Shovel Knight is a guaranteed character, only rumors from one guy. And a messed up NA Amiibo compatibility listing that gets numerous entries wrong before they're finally corrected.

Yay, we're getting Zero Suit Scrooge McDuck in Ducktales Remastered! (No, seriously, Zero Suit Samus was stated to be compatible with Ducktales Remastered a while back.)

 

[LancerStaff]

As actively vitrolic as I've been towards Nindies in general, I've resigned myself to this. He's what a lot of people want, and I understand why; his game actually has some effort put into it, hearkens back to the old days without being a blatant pale imitation, is probably the most ideal representative for the downloadable section of Nintendo's history, and to top it all off, he uses a weapon that's not a sword.

So all I have to say is "congratulations".

A shovel is functionally the same as a sword besides the whole digging thing... Not a good reason by itself to include him.

 

[-crump-]

That's what people said to Chrom's fans before he was officially deconfirmed. You should never assume anything. We have no evidence Shovel Knight is a guaranteed character, only rumors from one guy. And a messed up NA Amiibo compatibility listing that gets numerous entries wrong before they're finally corrected.

Yay, we're getting Zero Suit Scrooge McDuck in Ducktales Remastered! (No, seriously, Zero Suit Samus was stated to be compatible with Ducktales Remastered a while back.)

You know, you're kind of a downer, Jaidyn.

I'm just saying, geez. You don't have to take a swing every time something SK related pops up, we all know he's not likely. No need to rub it in every time we get excited.

 

[Saikyoshi]

A shovel is functionally the same as a sword besides the whole digging thing... Not a good reason by itself to include him.

I'd say it's closer to a poleaxe or a halberd than a sword.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Shovel Knight is definitely the best indie character choice, no other indie character can claim that they've crossed over with a big name video game character such as Kratos and the Battletoads to a lesser extent.

 

[LancerStaff]

I'd say it's closer to a poleaxe or a halberd than a sword.

You swing 'em and they're often most effective at max range. Not a lot of functional difference. Actually, they'd probably end up with a tipper mechanic like what Marth has because having no hitboxes up close would be pretty hard to overcome.

 

[Kenith]

You swing 'em and they're often most effective at max range. Not a lot of functional difference. Actually, they'd probably end up with a tipper mechanic like what Marth has because having no hitboxes up close would be pretty hard to overcome.

Does every weapon function exactly like a sword to you...? This literally comes up every time uniqueness is discussed.

 

[LancerStaff]

Does every weapon function exactly like a sword to you...? This literally comes up every time uniqueness is discussed.

Basically, if you can give Marth a weapon and not have the animations look completely stupid then it's too similar to a sword. So axes, hammers, knives, clubs, staves, shovels, and giant tuna aren't worth including off the top of my head.

Considering Sakurai brought up the issue in regards to Little Mac, I don't see why it's suddenly a problem for me to think likewise.

 

[Kenith]

Basically, if you can give Marth a weapon and not have the animations look completely stupid then it's too similar to a sword. So axes, hammers, knives, clubs, staves, shovels, and giant tuna aren't worth including off the top of my head.

Considering Sakurai brought up the issue in regards to Little Mac, I don't see why it's suddenly a problem for me to think likewise.

Because giving Marth a shovel would look completely normal.

 

[LancerStaff]

Because giving Marth a shovel would look completely normal.

The animations would, yes. Or are you implying we should start including characters over visual differences instead of gameplay merit?

 

[pupNapoleon]

I would like to preface my post by stating that I am NOT a big fan of going to a thread as a detractor. I have, however, some extreme hesitations about what shovel Knight could bring to the table.

In all sincerity, he seems like a fantastic character, from a fantastic game. He does not, though, appeared to have anything unique about him as a fighter*, nor nearly enough gravitas to when a fan Service poll. Quite honestly, only characters who would love me more in the wrong way, are all from Fire Emblem. I came to this thread to read the initial post and find some merits and his inclusion, but I cannot help but feel the tunneled hype generated by this character is based on frivolous and irrelevant factoids.

* utilizing a shovel does not make him unique, if it is merely different by the sprite alone. If it is a general bludgeoning object, it, in itself, offers nothing of variety. Variation comes from play style, & I mean this in a general term... Not by minute differences in, say, a sweet spot of a sword tip.

 

[HeavyLobster]

I would like to preface my post by stating that I am NOT a big fan of going to a thread as a detractor. I have, however, some extreme hesitations about what shovel Knight could bring to the table.

In all sincerity, he seems like a fantastic character, from a fantastic game. He does not, though, appeared to have anything unique about him as a fighter*, nor nearly enough gravitas to when a fan Service poll. Quite honestly, only characters who would love me more in the wrong way, are all from Fire Emblem. I came to this thread to read the initial post and find some merits and his inclusion, but I cannot help but feel the tunneled hype generated by this character is based on frivolous and irrelevant factoids.

* utilizing a shovel does not make me unique, if it is merely different by the sprite alone. If it is a general bludgeoning object, it, in itself, offers nothing of variety. Variation comes from play style, & I mean this in a general term... Not by minute differences in, say, a sweet spot of a sword tip.

Shovel Knight has a fairly wide array of items in addition to his shovel when it comes to crafting a moveset. Also the pogo effect he has, while not exclusive to him, could be implemented in interesting ways. Also, if his mobility parameters are true to the source game, he'd probably be somewhat slow on the ground but have high aerial mobility, probably a bit like Megaman only more based around hand-to-hand combat instead of projectiles, which I don't believe too many sword characters have(maybe Ike?). Granted he wouldn't have any truly unique mechanic like Shulk or Rosalina or Little Mac, but I don't think it would be hard to make him feel like his own character.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Shovel Knight has a fairly wide array of items in addition to his shovel when it comes to crafting a moveset. Also the pogo effect he has, while not exclusive to him, could be implemented in interesting ways. Also, if his mobility parameters are true to the source game, he'd probably be somewhat slow on the ground but have high aerial mobility, probably a bit like Megaman only more based around hand-to-hand combat instead of projectiles, which I don't believe too many sword characters have(maybe Ike?). Granted he wouldn't have any truly unique mechanic like Shulk or Rosalina or Little Mac, but I don't think it would be hard to make him feel like his own character.

I could not accept a character named after an Earthen-item being implemented as an aerial-strength character. This is the actual premise of other, historical, and first party characters.


That said, I appreciate your response.

 

[Saikyoshi]

You swing 'em and they're often most effective at max range. Not a lot of functional difference. Actually, they'd probably end up with a tipper mechanic like what Marth has because having no hitboxes up close would be pretty hard to overcome.

As can attest to...

 

[JBRPG]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...smash_bros_denied_in_vain_by_yacht_club_games

DECOMFIRMED BY CREATORS!

Shovel Knight amiibo is confirmed only for amiibo functions in Shovel Knight. There has been no mention of any other game that works with the device, including Smash Brothers.

 

[JaidynReiman]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...smash_bros_denied_in_vain_by_yacht_club_games

DECOMFIRMED BY CREATORS!

Shovel Knight amiibo is confirmed only for amiibo functions in Shovel Knight. There has been no mention of any other game that works with the device, including Smash Brothers.

We already know this.


Although Nintendo Life really messed up this part:

"The social media poster for the studio has got one aspect of its denials wrong, however, mis-reading the screengrab as listing the Shovel Knight amiibo as part of the Smash Bros. series, which it doesn't."


The mislisting they were talking about was the very first Shovel Knight listing which did state it was a Smash Bros. line Amiibo. Nintendo Life really messed this one up, this had nothing to do with the listing on the Smash Bros. website.

 

[Saikyoshi]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...smash_bros_denied_in_vain_by_yacht_club_games

DECOMFIRMED BY CREATORS!

Shovel Knight amiibo is confirmed only for amiibo functions in Shovel Knight. There has been no mention of any other game that works with the device, including Smash Brothers.

I saw that article, but I'm still not sure whether or not to believe YCH. I mean, Nintendo is kind of known for forcing people to swear to secrecy.

Basically, if you can give Marth a weapon and not have the animations look completely stupid then it's too similar to a sword. So axes, hammers, knives, clubs, staves, shovels, and giant tuna aren't worth including off the top of my head.

Considering Sakurai brought up the issue in regards to Little Mac, I don't see why it's suddenly a problem for me to think likewise.

If you tried to wield an axe or a hammer in the same way as a fencing blade, even assuming it's one handed, you'd be in for a heap of trouble. The weight distribution is completely different, and frankly, Marth wielding one would look stupid.

Look at the Ice Climbers' hammers, for example; they constantly switch from one-handed to two-handed because that's just how hammers work. Blunt instruments need more force behind them to hurt than sharp instruments. If Marth disarmed one of them and tried to use it himself in the style he was used to, his attacks would be clumsy and inefficient, he'd leave himself wide open, and he'd probably dislocate something to boot.

Axes are similar. They're not meant to cut or scratch the way swords are. They're meant to split. Even hand axes. A graze from an axe blade isn't going to hurt as much as a scratch from a sword, because that's not what axes are designed for; the power of axes is that they can concentrate a lot of power into one hit to wedge apart tough surfaces, like trees or bone, which swords can't do very easily.

 

[LancerStaff]

If you tried to wield an axe or a hammer in the same way as a fencing blade, even assuming it's one handed, you'd be in for a heap of trouble. The weight distribution is completely different, and frankly, Marth wielding one would look stupid.

Look at the Ice Climbers' hammers, for example; they constantly switch from one-handed to two-handed because that's just how hammers work. Blunt instruments need more force behind them to hurt than sharp instruments. If Marth disarmed one of them and tried to use it himself in the style he was used to, his attacks would be clumsy and inefficient, he'd leave himself wide open, and he'd probably dislocate something to boot.

Axes are similar. They're not meant to cut or scratch the way swords are. They're meant to split. Even hand axes. A graze from an axe blade isn't going to hurt as much as a scratch from a sword, because that's not what axes are designed for; the power of axes is that they can concentrate a lot of power into one hit to wedge apart tough surfaces, like trees or bone, which swords can't do very easily.

What you're splitting here is hairs. You see people one-hand hammers and axes all the time in anime and video games... Even here in Smash you have Ike using a two-handed sword with one the majority of the time, and then everybody wields the Ore Club with one with the jab and tilt.

Doesn't matter what a weapon's name is or how sharp it is or whatever... If it functions the same as what we've got then that will never be a reason to include the character using it.

 

[Kenith]

The animations would, yes. Or are you implying we should start including characters over visual differences instead of gameplay merit?

Hasn't

Stopped

Them

Before


Even characters that use the same weapons fight differently in Smash Bros. And you're trying to convince me a character that fights with a shovel would fight the same as a guy with a rapier?

Give me a break.

 

[LancerStaff]

Hasn't

Stopped

Them

Before


Even characters that use the same weapons fight differently in Smash Bros. And you're trying to convince me a character that fights with a shovel would fight the same as a guy with a rapier?

Give me a break.

Yes it has. Stopped Mac from being a character until they came up with "ain't no air fighter."

A weapon that functions like another weapon is not, and will never be, a reason to include a character. Without some overarching gameplay niche they're not going to be playable.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

**** it. Joining the thread here

Yes it has. Stopped Mac from being a character until they came up with "ain't no air fighter."

A weapon that functions like another weapon is not, and will never be, a reason to include a character. Without some overarching gameplay niche they're not going to be playable.

Need a source that Little Mac was even considered playable before Sm4sh, not to mention that he only got to be a character when they thought that. If anything, Puff is a reverse Mac yet that didn't stop Puff
Ike was made playable because Sakurai wanted a brutish heavy swordsman
Shovel Knight could still have unique moves

 

[JaidynReiman]

**** it. Joining the thread here
Need a source that Little Mac was even considered playable before Sm4sh, not to mention that he only got to be a character when they thought that. If anything, Puff is a reverse Mac yet that didn't stop Puff
Ike was made playable because Sakurai wanted a brutish heavy swordsman
Shovel Knight could still have unique moves

Ike was made playable because Sakurai asked Intelligent Systems who to pick and they suggested Ike. And Sakurai decided to make Ike a brutish swordsman to fill in a niche.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Ike was made playable because Sakurai asked Intelligent Systems who to pick and they suggested Ike. And Sakurai decided to make Ike a brutish swordsman to fill in a niche.

I heard it was the other way around, Sakurai wanted a playstyle and then Ike was brought to his attention by IS, which he felt fitted well enough. The playstyle went first