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that would be MW. at C4 Galore MWC even there were 4 lucarios in my pool of 7....i only lost to Fizzleboy, but i suicided on my CP on frigate cause i couldnt hear the level changing and dair'ed. other than that, i 2-0'd the rest of them.
Wait, he did?*sits back and waits for RK joker to say DT is good against pikmin throw*
Stop picking on the poor guyhe left the Lucario boards already.
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Who hasn't sent anyone flying before on the ground? Oli is stronger on the ground period, save for a high aura f-smash, but then again who really is as strong as Lucario at high aura. The point is Lucario usually won't live long to abuse his aura, and with the whole "hitting the Oli on the ledge" it just sounds like he lost his invincibility frames and you had a good sized AS that dragged the ground as it went by.
japes is not THAT bad of a level for olimar, theres really only one down side to it, and ofc, its the water, but any respective olimar should be able to controle the middle of that stage and be campy if need be. i have not lost a match there against a lucario yet.
lets just say if the olimar doesnt ban rainbow cruise......
indeed they are, but both of them arent terrible olimar stages. now maybe against lucario, they might be worse than others, but the 60-40 match up is that way because olimars have learned to control the middle ground. and both of those stages provide that opportunity for him, just with one feature on both that happens to make it a "slightly bad stage" for olimar.
because, i dont think frigate is the best of your choices against an olimar and tbh, japes isnt that great either.
if i really had to say one level i would almost go for Castle Siege. but i know that level, especially during its second phase, can cause problems for lucario.
Hai Timbuhs.japes and frigate sound like good choices no japes and frigate aren't good choices
i agree with most of what you said, but i would not want to be above olimar on a platform, especially on frigate bc many options are at hand the for olimar, the first and foremost being his U-air, powerfull, good damge, and decent knock back. Second, his U-tilt beats D-air....so obvious reason is obvious. Third, his UP-B is quite powerfull and you can expect it to come from most U-airs that knock you out of another U-air range and on frigate it is almost always gonna be a yellow or purple on the end, so heaven forbid youre at 110+ and get hit by it.I just got done playing xxPatgxx for a good long while and I'd say that this match-up is 55-45 in Olimar's favor.
Just to knock this whole stage discussion in the right direction, I'm going to agree with the person before me who said that counterpicking is more about emphasising your strengths in the match-up while closing off opportunity to strike your weakness, not where Olimar is worst at.
With that being said, I'm going to say that Lucario would probably do best on Orpheon Frigate. The reason why I say this is because the key to Lucario winning is actually being aggressive on Olimar. On the first part of frigate, you have that platform to camp under. Even though it's not the greatest, it does off your some cover from Olimar's Side B and a possible landing zone for recovery should Olimar choose to instant ledgehog you with his tether (he does NOT have to be offstage to do this and it is completely lagless). The other side of Frigate allows you to continually push Olimar offstage because it has no ledge for him to grab on to. The fact that it rises and falls is only going to make things worse for an Olimar trying to recover.
The second part of Frigates offers both of you platforms when trying to recover but neither of you should really be getting too much use out of them because of your knockback angles. The downward slope makes it harder for Olimar to land smash attacks and since Olimar will most likely camp from the center, you shouldn't have too much trouble exploiting that with your smash attacks or massive Aura Spheres.
As far as the match-up goes, Lucario cannot try to outcamp Olimar because it will never work. Olimar's Side B not only consumes your attack but it comes out a lot quicker and can be used in a manner that allows Olimar to hop over your Aura Spheres while still hitting Lucario. What you'll want to do is get a fully charged Aura Sphere to pressure Olimar so that you have an easier time getting him to change his position.
From approaching, I would reccomend Lucario using his Forward Air shorthopped because he should be able to retreat or launch an Aura Sphere if Olimar is trying to Pivot Grab or Forward Smash him in return. Be aware that if you get near Olimar, your roll is incredibly fast and can allow you to escape his attack before grabbing him and tossing him off the stage. Try not to get predictable with this approach. Remember that Lucario also has a good N-Air to knock off incoming pikmin as well as push any of Olimar's aerials out of the way.
For Olimar it's easiest for him to rack up damaging by using his Side B. Any other damage usually comes from punishing or early grabs in the grab. It is very difficult for Olimar to approach Lucario and even more difficult for him to punish one that stays in the air, but when he does its going to hurt. The main reason this match-up is in Olimar's favor is because of how quickly he can rack up damage and kill Lucario without putting himself at too much risk using long-ranged and powerful Smash Attacks. Its also very difficult for Lucario to KO Olimar.
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its not, cause if its off by any means in timing its gonna get punished, i try to avoid it, but sometimes you just cant.
usmash is offset by dair....so its actually not a bad place to be, but deff not the best
Usually that's what happens with most other chars, but considering how our dair halts our movement...
you keep speaking on theory lol.
this is jog, (just wanted a new name)
lol aerials don't clank.don't forget u-tilt either since it goes through lucario's dair. also u-air and u-smash clank with luc's dair.
but i mean oli's u-smash comes out in 8 frames? it could be 11, i can't remember but its at least 11 and 8 max, either way its really fast and kills early esp. with a purple (even when stale its scary). in other words, don't jump into olimar, people do it to me and i just smile every time because an u-smash is on its way.
btw timbers could i get that sticky on my thread now please
play an olimar, his aerials do.
Olimar's Aerial's don't really "clank". What happens is when Olimar's aerial hitboxes hits another aerial's hitbox that does not also touch his [Olimar's] hurtbox, you get the clank animation (that bubble looking thing) but his hitbox stays active until they attack would normally finish (disregarding the slight delay that comes from the two hits hitting each other). If anyone wants to replicate it, it's easiest to do with Shiek's falling N-Air and Olimar's F-Air.
Metaknight's glide attack clanks with the first hit of Dair, and he gets hit by the second hit.
whatever you want to call it, it has hitlag, and it's worth noting. Also Oli's active frames go dead for some amount of time, As I've faired through his own fair and hit him, without taking damage. Luc's fair has silly range on it too.
