saberhof
Smash Master
a lil talk i had with paOol and too see his view on things at the moment and the state of brawl.
Joelui89: Saberhof
Misterpkim: PaOol
joelui89 (9:01:37 PM): ah ready? =D
misterpkim (9:01:54 PM): ya
joelui89 (9:01:43 PM): ok
joelui89 (9:02:22 PM): so first of all, this mini interview, if we can call it
that, is for my benefit and for all diddy players i would be sending this too,
i love diddy btw...
misterpkim (9:02:33 PM): same
joelui89 (9:02:52 PM): so when you started the game you just picked diddy? or did you have him in mind?
misterpkim (9:04:57 PM): Way before smash dojo was out. around when the E3 brawl trailer was first shown. like anyone else, i was hyped for the game. so i went over to ign.com and i checked the message boards. i noticed a thread called "who would you like to see in brawl?" inside was a poll. i remember seeing Ridley, Diddy Kong, Sonic, and a few others (i think K. Rool). It was then that i decided that if Diddy Kong was put in brawl, i would main him no matter what
joelui89 (9:05:37 PM): truly i would think the same...were you part of smashboards at the time?
misterpkim (9:08:22 PM): I had been lurking smashboards since around 2004 i believe. I was at anime expo and i was playing some melee in the game room. There was a pretty good ness player there and a luigi player as well. I remember the luigi player asking the ness if he was on smashboards. I knew about smashboards before this, so i thought it was pretty cool that he brought it up. but i did not make an account until pretty recently
joelui89 (9:09:11 PM): interesting, lurking lol....
joelui89 (9:09:41 PM): were you part of the competitive scene of melee?, just a random player going to tourneys? or hanging out?
misterpkim (9:12:19 PM): After playing lots of friendlies with people in brawl, i get asked that a lot. Believe it or not, i was pretty scrub-like back then. I was in high school and i was one of the best in my school (thats not saying much). I beat all my friends who talked crap and that was enough for me at the time. I knew how to tech and wave dash and all that, but i never really thought about the competitive scene until it was too late. By then brawl was already so big especially after the E for All demo.
joelui89 (9:13:43 PM): so that said, do you feel happy about the removal of the advance techniques? you don't care? or any thoughts?
misterpkim (9:18:15 PM): Mmmm, I think it was both a good and bad move. Whether or not wavedashing / L canceling was removed or kept, some people would have been upset either way. I think that Nintendo realized this, but appealed more to the casual crowd since there are obviously way more of them. Personally, I don't really care that wavedashing is gone. And i also wouldn't care if wavedashing was still in. Either way i would play competitively. However, i do think Brawl is an overall more "fun" experience because of the removal of wavedashing.
joelui89 (9:19:19 PM): awesome, i really didnt care for the advance ****, but it did make you look good and it gave that competitive level to the game.
joelui89 (9:19:36 PM): do you think brawl will reach that kind of competitiveness in some years?
misterpkim (9:24:35 PM): As much as i would like brawl to retain that "hardcore" competitive style of play that melee had, I just don't think it will be the same. It is like with Mario Kart DS and Mario Kart Wii. You had snaking in the DS version which people used to gain an advantage. the Wii version removes snaking from the game, but Mario Kart Wii will still be a great game and still have competitive players, but they are 2 different games. I do think that brawl will bring a wider audience to the whole tournament scene though.
joelui89 (9:26:09 PM): i too think this will be a **** good game and that hating players will start playing it at some point <
joelui89 (9:26:54 PM): now going a lil deeper into this brawl game
misterpkim (9:27:01 PM): kk
joelui89 (9:27:20 PM): a brief explanation of diddy and what hes capable of...
misterpkim (9:28:07 PM): oo
misterpkim (9:28:08 PM): u want one
joelui89 (9:28:13 PM): please
misterpkim (9:28:16 PM): haha
joelui89 (9:28:39 PM): not his moves
joelui89 (9:28:41 PM): just like
joelui89 (9:28:44 PM): what he is lol
misterpkim (9:28:57 PM): ?_?
misterpkim (9:28:59 PM): a monkey? lol
joelui89 (9:29:07 PM): lol
joelui89 (9:29:58 PM): well maybe you could explain the speed, what he is more experienced in
joelui89 (9:31:16 PM): like what to expect from using the monkey with naners...
joelui89 (9:33:28 PM): >o>
misterpkim (9:33:39 PM): Diddy is in the medium weight class and he's pretty fast. His KO moves aren't the greatest, but his aerial game and bananas are pretty godlike. Diddy is not a character that you can spam Smash moves and expect to win. His range is his biggest weakness so you have to be able to approach players carefully. Also, edguarding is a MUST with diddy. Otherwise you're gimping yourself.
joelui89 (9:34:06 PM): would you consider diddy a good starter character?
misterpkim (9:38:57 PM): Hmm...Yes and No. A friend of mine told me that Diddy was pretty easy to use. But that was after he had watched my video guide so he at least had an idea on how to play Diddy. It might be easy to rack up damage with Diddy, but he's kind of like Metaknight (in the sense that its easy to deal damage, but not finish) except he's a little slower/stronger. And I don't think that a beginner will be able to use bananas properly. You can win by getting them over 130% and using Dsmash or Fsmash but this isn't the best way to play as diddy.
joelui89 (9:40:39 PM): so its more of a "learn everything he does and use it well" kind of thing?
misterpkim (9:40:56 PM): Yea
joelui89 (9:42:07 PM): concerning the "god" item...
joelui89 (9:42:09 PM): the banana
joelui89 (9:42:57 PM): how is this mostly used as? to actually cause the opponent to fall? or just a map filler? throwing? mindgames?
joelui89 (9:43:01 PM): or all of the above?
misterpkim (9:47:36 PM): I haven't seen many other diddy players who have been taking advantage of the bananas so i can't really comment on how people are using it, but i can explain how i do. its absolutely essential that you learn how to glide toss in order to use bananas effectively. It helps so much it's ridiculous. I use the bananas in order to get a free hit or smash attack off my opponent. and it can also be used for mindgames. If you are throwing bananas right after picking them up throughout the whole game, eventually your opponent will catch on and shield when they see you pick one up. So what you can do is pick one up, and follow up with a Diddy Hump (side->B) to catch them offguard. Then proceed to throw the banana and get another hit off of them.
joelui89 (9:50:24 PM): nice, so this glide tossing...
joelui89 (9:50:45 PM): ive seen it in videos
joelui89 (9:50:56 PM): and i didnt catch it in your how to be pro at diddy video...
misterpkim (9:52:03 PM): o i mentioned it in there
misterpkim (9:52:06 PM): near the end
joelui89 (9:52:46 PM): *watches again*
joelui89 (9:54:51 PM): hmm
joelui89 (9:56:16 PM): aah
joelui89 (9:56:17 PM): ok
joelui89 (9:56:23 PM): didnt see that
joelui89 (9:56:41 PM): amazing
joelui89 (9:57:54 PM): moving deeper now
joelui89 (9:58:05 PM): diddy's moves
joelui89 (9:58:16 PM): you mention the KO moves
joelui89 (9:58:22 PM): even a tilt can kill
misterpkim (9:58:34 PM): yea
joelui89 (9:59:01 PM): what about his combo ability?, do you find it vast? or pretty low at the moment?
misterpkim (10:03:51 PM): Im not too sure at this point in time. It's still pretty early, but i do believe that overall, the combos in brawl won't be as crazy as they were in melee. Part of this is because everyone is "floaty". He does have a few easy combos but they are pretty basic and almost all characters have similar ones. I do hope to discover some sick combos for my second combo video though. I feel like i can make MAJOR improvements from first one.
joelui89 (10:07:37 PM): yeah i guees its all about time
joelui89 (10:07:42 PM): and what it tells
joelui89 (10:09:50 PM): i have 5 minutes so any new info you wish to give other diddy players, with you, not being such a represented player, but you are truly starting fresh from now and your showing what is capable at the moment, and i respect you for it, even though i don't have brawl, i am still trying to get good, id just really like any point from your view...
misterpkim (10:13:54 PM): mmm, with Diddy, i want to emphasize again that you HAVE to edgeguard. Throw them off the stage and jump over to where they are and finish them with a Fair or something. making it back on the stage is not a problem for diddy. He has one of the best recoveries in the game. Be sure to use your Dair to spike whenever they are above 45% and you get the chance. Also experiment with banana mindgames.
joelui89 (10:14:26 PM): banana mindgames = instant win...
joelui89 (10:14:42 PM): thnx paOol, i appreciate the time man...
misterpkim (10:14:48 PM): ya np
Joelui89: Saberhof
Misterpkim: PaOol
joelui89 (9:01:37 PM): ah ready? =D
misterpkim (9:01:54 PM): ya
joelui89 (9:01:43 PM): ok
joelui89 (9:02:22 PM): so first of all, this mini interview, if we can call it
that, is for my benefit and for all diddy players i would be sending this too,
i love diddy btw...
misterpkim (9:02:33 PM): same
joelui89 (9:02:52 PM): so when you started the game you just picked diddy? or did you have him in mind?
misterpkim (9:04:57 PM): Way before smash dojo was out. around when the E3 brawl trailer was first shown. like anyone else, i was hyped for the game. so i went over to ign.com and i checked the message boards. i noticed a thread called "who would you like to see in brawl?" inside was a poll. i remember seeing Ridley, Diddy Kong, Sonic, and a few others (i think K. Rool). It was then that i decided that if Diddy Kong was put in brawl, i would main him no matter what
joelui89 (9:05:37 PM): truly i would think the same...were you part of smashboards at the time?
misterpkim (9:08:22 PM): I had been lurking smashboards since around 2004 i believe. I was at anime expo and i was playing some melee in the game room. There was a pretty good ness player there and a luigi player as well. I remember the luigi player asking the ness if he was on smashboards. I knew about smashboards before this, so i thought it was pretty cool that he brought it up. but i did not make an account until pretty recently
joelui89 (9:09:11 PM): interesting, lurking lol....
joelui89 (9:09:41 PM): were you part of the competitive scene of melee?, just a random player going to tourneys? or hanging out?
misterpkim (9:12:19 PM): After playing lots of friendlies with people in brawl, i get asked that a lot. Believe it or not, i was pretty scrub-like back then. I was in high school and i was one of the best in my school (thats not saying much). I beat all my friends who talked crap and that was enough for me at the time. I knew how to tech and wave dash and all that, but i never really thought about the competitive scene until it was too late. By then brawl was already so big especially after the E for All demo.
joelui89 (9:13:43 PM): so that said, do you feel happy about the removal of the advance techniques? you don't care? or any thoughts?
misterpkim (9:18:15 PM): Mmmm, I think it was both a good and bad move. Whether or not wavedashing / L canceling was removed or kept, some people would have been upset either way. I think that Nintendo realized this, but appealed more to the casual crowd since there are obviously way more of them. Personally, I don't really care that wavedashing is gone. And i also wouldn't care if wavedashing was still in. Either way i would play competitively. However, i do think Brawl is an overall more "fun" experience because of the removal of wavedashing.
joelui89 (9:19:19 PM): awesome, i really didnt care for the advance ****, but it did make you look good and it gave that competitive level to the game.
joelui89 (9:19:36 PM): do you think brawl will reach that kind of competitiveness in some years?
misterpkim (9:24:35 PM): As much as i would like brawl to retain that "hardcore" competitive style of play that melee had, I just don't think it will be the same. It is like with Mario Kart DS and Mario Kart Wii. You had snaking in the DS version which people used to gain an advantage. the Wii version removes snaking from the game, but Mario Kart Wii will still be a great game and still have competitive players, but they are 2 different games. I do think that brawl will bring a wider audience to the whole tournament scene though.
joelui89 (9:26:09 PM): i too think this will be a **** good game and that hating players will start playing it at some point <
joelui89 (9:26:54 PM): now going a lil deeper into this brawl game
misterpkim (9:27:01 PM): kk
joelui89 (9:27:20 PM): a brief explanation of diddy and what hes capable of...
misterpkim (9:28:07 PM): oo
misterpkim (9:28:08 PM): u want one
joelui89 (9:28:13 PM): please
misterpkim (9:28:16 PM): haha
joelui89 (9:28:39 PM): not his moves
joelui89 (9:28:41 PM): just like
joelui89 (9:28:44 PM): what he is lol
misterpkim (9:28:57 PM): ?_?
misterpkim (9:28:59 PM): a monkey? lol
joelui89 (9:29:07 PM): lol
joelui89 (9:29:58 PM): well maybe you could explain the speed, what he is more experienced in
joelui89 (9:31:16 PM): like what to expect from using the monkey with naners...
joelui89 (9:33:28 PM): >o>
misterpkim (9:33:39 PM): Diddy is in the medium weight class and he's pretty fast. His KO moves aren't the greatest, but his aerial game and bananas are pretty godlike. Diddy is not a character that you can spam Smash moves and expect to win. His range is his biggest weakness so you have to be able to approach players carefully. Also, edguarding is a MUST with diddy. Otherwise you're gimping yourself.
joelui89 (9:34:06 PM): would you consider diddy a good starter character?
misterpkim (9:38:57 PM): Hmm...Yes and No. A friend of mine told me that Diddy was pretty easy to use. But that was after he had watched my video guide so he at least had an idea on how to play Diddy. It might be easy to rack up damage with Diddy, but he's kind of like Metaknight (in the sense that its easy to deal damage, but not finish) except he's a little slower/stronger. And I don't think that a beginner will be able to use bananas properly. You can win by getting them over 130% and using Dsmash or Fsmash but this isn't the best way to play as diddy.
joelui89 (9:40:39 PM): so its more of a "learn everything he does and use it well" kind of thing?
misterpkim (9:40:56 PM): Yea
joelui89 (9:42:07 PM): concerning the "god" item...
joelui89 (9:42:09 PM): the banana
joelui89 (9:42:57 PM): how is this mostly used as? to actually cause the opponent to fall? or just a map filler? throwing? mindgames?
joelui89 (9:43:01 PM): or all of the above?
misterpkim (9:47:36 PM): I haven't seen many other diddy players who have been taking advantage of the bananas so i can't really comment on how people are using it, but i can explain how i do. its absolutely essential that you learn how to glide toss in order to use bananas effectively. It helps so much it's ridiculous. I use the bananas in order to get a free hit or smash attack off my opponent. and it can also be used for mindgames. If you are throwing bananas right after picking them up throughout the whole game, eventually your opponent will catch on and shield when they see you pick one up. So what you can do is pick one up, and follow up with a Diddy Hump (side->B) to catch them offguard. Then proceed to throw the banana and get another hit off of them.
joelui89 (9:50:24 PM): nice, so this glide tossing...
joelui89 (9:50:45 PM): ive seen it in videos
joelui89 (9:50:56 PM): and i didnt catch it in your how to be pro at diddy video...
misterpkim (9:52:03 PM): o i mentioned it in there
misterpkim (9:52:06 PM): near the end
joelui89 (9:52:46 PM): *watches again*
joelui89 (9:54:51 PM): hmm
joelui89 (9:56:16 PM): aah
joelui89 (9:56:17 PM): ok
joelui89 (9:56:23 PM): didnt see that
joelui89 (9:56:41 PM): amazing
joelui89 (9:57:54 PM): moving deeper now
joelui89 (9:58:05 PM): diddy's moves
joelui89 (9:58:16 PM): you mention the KO moves
joelui89 (9:58:22 PM): even a tilt can kill
misterpkim (9:58:34 PM): yea
joelui89 (9:59:01 PM): what about his combo ability?, do you find it vast? or pretty low at the moment?
misterpkim (10:03:51 PM): Im not too sure at this point in time. It's still pretty early, but i do believe that overall, the combos in brawl won't be as crazy as they were in melee. Part of this is because everyone is "floaty". He does have a few easy combos but they are pretty basic and almost all characters have similar ones. I do hope to discover some sick combos for my second combo video though. I feel like i can make MAJOR improvements from first one.
joelui89 (10:07:37 PM): yeah i guees its all about time
joelui89 (10:07:42 PM): and what it tells
joelui89 (10:09:50 PM): i have 5 minutes so any new info you wish to give other diddy players, with you, not being such a represented player, but you are truly starting fresh from now and your showing what is capable at the moment, and i respect you for it, even though i don't have brawl, i am still trying to get good, id just really like any point from your view...
misterpkim (10:13:54 PM): mmm, with Diddy, i want to emphasize again that you HAVE to edgeguard. Throw them off the stage and jump over to where they are and finish them with a Fair or something. making it back on the stage is not a problem for diddy. He has one of the best recoveries in the game. Be sure to use your Dair to spike whenever they are above 45% and you get the chance. Also experiment with banana mindgames.
joelui89 (10:14:26 PM): banana mindgames = instant win...
joelui89 (10:14:42 PM): thnx paOol, i appreciate the time man...
misterpkim (10:14:48 PM): ya np
