I remember discussing it a while back but I don't think we reached a conclusion - one of the benefits haveing a BRoom would bring I guess. Actually iirc we were against it for the most part becase of someone gaining a 1 stock lead and then camping the rest of the match. Can't remember vividly though.
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Smash 64 Backroom
- Thread starter MLG_JV
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I think we will all agree that we can perfectly have a backroom ONLY if we get our own section aswell. Then surely everyone would be happy.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
why dont we just settle for the backroom for now
its not as if getting a backroom cuts the chances of us getting a section >_>
in fact its the complete opposite
its not as if getting a backroom cuts the chances of us getting a section >_>
in fact its the complete opposite
Why not both at the same time? Thats why I said everyone would be happy with this from either the backroom, the own section, or both
DemonicInfluence
Smash Ace
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These are good reasons for a backroom. !support
malva00
Smash Master
I had a dream that SSB got its own section on smashboards
X1-12
Smash Champion
They're trying to give you a backroom so you keep quiet about this.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
From now on, anyone wishing to talk about smash64s own section...please take your comments here
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=11180233#post11180233
Anyone posting in this thread regarding our own section will receive an infraction
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=11180233#post11180233
Anyone posting in this thread regarding our own section will receive an infraction
Limeee
Smash Champion
just make a backroom that everyone can see, but only the best can post
King Funk
Int. Croc. Alligator
So, if we ever do a backroom, how many people will we have in it?
Mahie and me suggest:
- 10 american players
- 4 european players
- 2 australian players
- maybe 3-4 others?
Mahie and me suggest:
- 10 american players
- 4 european players
- 2 australian players
- maybe 3-4 others?
Only thing almost as bad as no new decisions being made is new decisions that I didn't have a voice in being made, IMO. I think that it'll do jack **** for our reputation with the melee and brawl peeps, and if you guys think about it honestly for a second, you might come to share that view. Like I said earlier, we don't have the right number of members or ratio of experienced to non-experienced people to make a BR useful.
My (hopefully) final stance: Solidly against a BR.
Also, if we did get one, I don't think Funk's model would work at all. North Americans make up well over half of the forum, first of all, and also more than half of the BR-worthy folks are from the US/Canada/Mexico, IMO.
Plus, you forgot South America, unless they were lumped with the others.
^I shouldn't get infracted for that, as it pertains to the BR as well as the section.
My (hopefully) final stance: Solidly against a BR.
Also, if we did get one, I don't think Funk's model would work at all. North Americans make up well over half of the forum, first of all, and also more than half of the BR-worthy folks are from the US/Canada/Mexico, IMO.
Plus, you forgot South America, unless they were lumped with the others.
Not gonna work. We've all been very clear on that; Section >>>>>>>>>>> backroom. Getting a BR will not keep anyone quiet.
^I shouldn't get infracted for that, as it pertains to the BR as well as the section.
I have a question. What is the stance of the community when it comes to people who solely play online being in the backroom? I'm aware that there's this debate about this whole console vs online thing so I'm wondering, can the two coexist?
Why a certain number for each zone? There should be people from each zone ok, but I think people should be chosen individually regardless of where they are from.
L1ON
Smash Apprentice
Exactly. I personally think the stage list needs to be tweaked. We want smash 64 to evolve don't we? Our community and our game. I think if we get a backroom we can better the rules and such on how we conduct ourselves and hopefully that will make for better gaming.
Also it is my personal belief that whoever is elected as "leader" of the backroom should choose who is allowed in much like a president would choose a cabinet. Maybe even two people.. I'm not sure just some ideas.
I can't wait for a backroom! I want to bring about a whole new level of smashhh woo more people more competition (Viable side 64 tournaments would be so sexy, real competitive 64 console play is close to extinct) better definition ... things are looking up for smash 64.
More on console tournaments: I really feel that an ultimate goal for us would be to make 64 popular enough online (playing and forum-going) that its more popular on console and that we can actually see the 64 competitive scene actually make a breakthrough into the real world. I'm sure it won't be as big as melee or brawl. It's way past it's time but hey so many people still play melee...
tl;dr L1ON is excited.
edits: spelling and grammerz is hard to come by in the wild and even the zoo.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
arbitrarily assigning a number to each continent/territory is gonna be hurting more than it helps
it'll actually reach a scenario where we throw people in to make up the numbers, and then someone will pull out flawed population statistics and demand they be put in, and nobody wins
just settle for the backroom and put a bunch of decent players and forum contributors in
it'll actually reach a scenario where we throw people in to make up the numbers, and then someone will pull out flawed population statistics and demand they be put in, and nobody wins
just settle for the backroom and put a bunch of decent players and forum contributors in
Mahie
Smash Lord
Yeah actually let's just go with Cheeseball's way. I used to think scene size should be taken into consideration but quantity doesn't mean quality, so it has nothing to do with it.
linkoninja
Smash Journeyman
I agree with Ballin
It would hurt the n64 community if only certain people could view the backroom
if everyone can view it then it would help us out a bit.
Also maybe have many members
professional smash players though.
Who better to lead this than Isai (Malva) himself?
SuperBoom is also another one
and so is TigerBombz
DemonicInfluence
Smash Ace
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Dude, Tigerbombz would be trolling the crap out of the BR >.>
andrewajt62
Smash Journeyman
I say no, we're a small community to the point where we can talk about say the tier list and have everyone's opinion count.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
isnt that the point of a backroom, to exclude the opinions that are less worthy...?
well i guess we already do that, seeing as the tier list came out okay
but having to fend off questions on why luigi >> pika is wrong is annoying
well i guess we already do that, seeing as the tier list came out okay
but having to fend off questions on why luigi >> pika is wrong is annoying
ballin4life
Smash Hero
What's with people thinking that the back room will suddenly make everything so much more OFFICIAL?
Why can't we just discuss things like rule sets in general discussion? Obviously there are people on both sides of the hyrule thing, for example, but so what? Will that change if there is a back room? I, for one, will continue to play on hyrule even if a back room bans it.
And it's similar for everything else. We can discuss ANYTHING in general discussion, and while we might not ever get to a 100% consensus, neither will a (well-selected) back room. In the end, people will play how they want to, but the discussion will help clarify issues and might lead to some brilliant new ideas. And who knows, they might come from someone who wouldn't have been allowed in a back room in the first place.
I mean, the people that would be selected for the back room are posting on the forums right now, correct? If we all respect their opinions this much, then we can just accept them as they are now. The discussion is not so far off topic that these "potential back roomers" cannot communicate at all. But having a completely segregated back room prevents any one new from coming in to the forum and participating (and believe me I know there's plenty of noobs that come in and say "OMGZ NESS 4 TOP TIER LOL" but it isn't that hard to educate them or at least ignore them).
Overall, I'm not really against the back room as long as everyone can at least VIEW it. But I am against people saying "Well let's drop everything in general discussion and let the back room make all the decisions"
Why can't we just discuss things like rule sets in general discussion? Obviously there are people on both sides of the hyrule thing, for example, but so what? Will that change if there is a back room? I, for one, will continue to play on hyrule even if a back room bans it.
And it's similar for everything else. We can discuss ANYTHING in general discussion, and while we might not ever get to a 100% consensus, neither will a (well-selected) back room. In the end, people will play how they want to, but the discussion will help clarify issues and might lead to some brilliant new ideas. And who knows, they might come from someone who wouldn't have been allowed in a back room in the first place.
I mean, the people that would be selected for the back room are posting on the forums right now, correct? If we all respect their opinions this much, then we can just accept them as they are now. The discussion is not so far off topic that these "potential back roomers" cannot communicate at all. But having a completely segregated back room prevents any one new from coming in to the forum and participating (and believe me I know there's plenty of noobs that come in and say "OMGZ NESS 4 TOP TIER LOL" but it isn't that hard to educate them or at least ignore them).
Overall, I'm not really against the back room as long as everyone can at least VIEW it. But I am against people saying "Well let's drop everything in general discussion and let the back room make all the decisions"
asianaussie
Smash Hero
lol this backroom might be more of an aid in terms of 64's image than actual decisions
of course that's probably what we want, if the scene gets bigger then tournaments can be held, if tournaments can be held we can get more matchup insight, and from there a tier list that isn't purely mathcrafted
and im sure making it visible to all wouldn't be a big issue anyway, just restrict posting rights like the debate hall or something
of course that's probably what we want, if the scene gets bigger then tournaments can be held, if tournaments can be held we can get more matchup insight, and from there a tier list that isn't purely mathcrafted
and im sure making it visible to all wouldn't be a big issue anyway, just restrict posting rights like the debate hall or something
JaimeHR
Smash Ace
It has already been said but I also agree that a Backroom might be good to make the SSB64 Community look more serious in terms of competitivity, but I fear that the members' ego may also pop up and make everyone who doesn't agree with something look like a n00b just because they are not on the Backroom or they just not met their criteria of "being a pro".
If there's a Backroom I suggest it to be public from the start, with everyone allowing to post on it and then, if it's possible, start "Banning" the people who doesn't contribute to anything to the discussion from the Backroom section.
If there's a Backroom I suggest it to be public from the start, with everyone allowing to post on it and then, if it's possible, start "Banning" the people who doesn't contribute to anything to the discussion from the Backroom section.
rawrimamonster
Smash Ace
QFTFT, lmao.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
i agree with everything this man says in his first paragraph.
on the other hand, if we're to do it like this (banning is not good, banned people come for revenge and troll lots, especially if they are only banned from the backroom), we should just call it a in-depth discussion room or something. A backroom is a place where discussion is done and, if appropriate, published for all to see, because the criteria for entry into the backroom ensures that work will be done there.
if we want a backroom we can't let everyone post there. we can certainly have a viewable backroom.
also nobody bring up the 'being a BRoomer makes you automatically mature' argument, i have never seen anyone who wasn't already a good member/poster not abuse admin rights when they get them
Blue Yoshi
Smash Master
Wait, I abused my mod rights when I got them? I don't think I ever banned anyone, and rarely gave an infraction (well... partially because my computer stopped working properly soon after I got them, and I'm finally not too lazy to send it in lol).
Anyways, I do think a BR would help out the 64 community. Sure there may be disadvantages, but overall, the pros far out-weigh the cons, and if we do it properly, we can reduce any (if not all) cons.
First off, we look more competitive and more professional, therefore more people will realize that smash 64 is actually a competitive game just like melee and brawl.
Second, those who know the game the best (emphasis on KNOWS THE GAME, not PLAYS THE GAME) will be discussing the fine details of what the rules should be, what the tier list/matchup chart should look like, etc. Therefore, good discussion will occur there.
The main con people list is that people will feel elitist if they are in, or shunned if they are out. Only the people who know the game very well (at the highest level of play) should be in the backroom. If the BR members are chosen correctly, even I should not be in it (though I would love to be, there are many more people who know much more than I do). If people are not chosen, it simply means that others know the game better, whether they are better or not (lame example, but an example nonetheless... someone who plays only Kirby and does very well should not be allowed in, as they don't know much about anything not Kirby related).
I do think that if we do the BR properly, it can be done effectively, and can do much more good than harm.
In my opinion, due to the small amount of characters in the game, I think a good way for people to find out if they should be eligible for the BR is to go by this:
Think of every matchup in the game. All 78 matchups in the game (66 different-character matchups and 12 dittos). If you cannot make a detailed description, argument, etc. about the matchup of at least 70 of those matchups, then you should not consider yourself eligible. Simply saying "Jigglypuff can 0-death Pikachu from a grab or drill" is not a good argument, as everyone knows that. By good argument, I mean more match-up specific details, like what beats what, what approaches work, what combos work at what relative percents, etc. If you cannot do this for over 70 of the 78 matchups, then there are other people who know more about the game then you, and are more deserving to be in the BR.
I am not saying this should be what qualifies someone to be in the back room, I'm just giving an example of something that 90% of people who want to be in the BR (me included) can think of and realize that other people are more deserving of being in the BR.
what
And the new tier list is done since long ago. Anyway tier lists arent the most important thing to discuss imo
Thino
Smash Master
what else do people talk about in backrooms
/is totally clueless about how backrooms work
/is totally clueless about how backrooms work
asianaussie
Smash Hero
its a conspiracy
those fatcats don't want us to have our cut
in all seriousness, I think that particular character mains should not be discriminated against so long as they show a satisfactory level of competence with their character. This would obviously include knowing how to fight each character at a high level, and the threats they pose: eg a Link main would most definitely know what not to do against Falcons, seeing as they get 0-deathed so easily, and a Puff main would obviously not let Luigi get a free U-Air anywhere from 20 to 60, as that's tantamount to suicide (those two are blatantly simple examples, but since my own knowledge of many matchups is meh, I can't really say too much).
I would lower the bar a little, between all the BRoom candidates there must be a couple who can comment and debate every given matchup in the game, while the others give more general advice (in-depth mains *can* tend to focus on the dumb little nuances and overlook simple dangers, eg I forgot completely about the simple U-Tilt > F-Smash for Link until some kid who was learning how to play did it by accident)
those fatcats don't want us to have our cut
in all seriousness, I think that particular character mains should not be discriminated against so long as they show a satisfactory level of competence with their character. This would obviously include knowing how to fight each character at a high level, and the threats they pose: eg a Link main would most definitely know what not to do against Falcons, seeing as they get 0-deathed so easily, and a Puff main would obviously not let Luigi get a free U-Air anywhere from 20 to 60, as that's tantamount to suicide (those two are blatantly simple examples, but since my own knowledge of many matchups is meh, I can't really say too much).
I would lower the bar a little, between all the BRoom candidates there must be a couple who can comment and debate every given matchup in the game, while the others give more general advice (in-depth mains *can* tend to focus on the dumb little nuances and overlook simple dangers, eg I forgot completely about the simple U-Tilt > F-Smash for Link until some kid who was learning how to play did it by accident)
King Funk
Int. Croc. Alligator
I don't really know what to say, but I'll probably agree with Cheeseball. I believe character mains should not be discriminated. I'd prefer information on matchups from a character main who specialises in knowing them from a specific point of view rather than an all-around player who will just say general stuff. I play mainly Falcon, and I'm sure I can give some pretty solid information on any of Falcon's matchups, in depth and well organized, more so than someone who plays many characters and only has a pocket Falcon.
L1ON
Smash Apprentice
I'd personally like to hear some serious CF vs kirby match up advice. All I ever hear is the obvious things. Kirby *****, utilt ****, off stage ****... Falcon can bair and that's it... But I know there's more, that's just the fluff info.
I was against character specific sections before because I felt that it would divide the community and instead of having all our information together each board would have little tid bits here and there. But now I think now that character boards could do us some good.
I know 64 is old but we could be like brawl and on each character board go through every match up. I haven't been to the brawl boards in awhile but they all were doing that (as brawl is still in the stages of metagame development).
Anyway to highlight my points so this doesn't become a wall of text:
-Character boards to discuss specific match ups (with only a 12 character cast we could go more in depth quicker than other smash games)
-Backroom to discuss these same character match ups with a more 'professional' view and then implement that with a heavier factor into the match up discussions in the public section.
-Backroom discussions on rules and stage list.
-Possible rules/stage changes maybe even rework the tier list (I know many people like the current tier list, I'm not saying we should look to change it, but that after much research, discussion, and debate a few characters may want to be moved around)
-????
-Profit for 64 and this community
I was against character specific sections before because I felt that it would divide the community and instead of having all our information together each board would have little tid bits here and there. But now I think now that character boards could do us some good.
I know 64 is old but we could be like brawl and on each character board go through every match up. I haven't been to the brawl boards in awhile but they all were doing that (as brawl is still in the stages of metagame development).
Anyway to highlight my points so this doesn't become a wall of text:
-Character boards to discuss specific match ups (with only a 12 character cast we could go more in depth quicker than other smash games)
-Backroom to discuss these same character match ups with a more 'professional' view and then implement that with a heavier factor into the match up discussions in the public section.
-Backroom discussions on rules and stage list.
-Possible rules/stage changes maybe even rework the tier list (I know many people like the current tier list, I'm not saying we should look to change it, but that after much research, discussion, and debate a few characters may want to be moved around)
-????
-Profit for 64 and this community
King Funk
Int. Croc. Alligator
I can give you TON of advice on the Kirby matchup. Just add me up on MSN. =D
He's saying that people who weren't already good members/posters always abuse admin privileges. You were already both of those, hence your election to modhood.
Nintendude
Smash Hero
Having a backroom is important for SSB64's appearance in the smash community. I'm all for it. I'd also like to think that I'm deserving of being a member of it.