Smash Back Room Weekly Character Discussions! FINAL UPDATES: Ness + Lucas. All done!!

[itsthebigfoot]

ok, process of elimination time

characters who haven't been picked, and since it said that the character has a bad approach, i'll cross out all the characters i know have a good approach (to my knowledge, some of the characters i don't know well enough to judge)

Fox
Marth
Pit
IC's
Olimar
Zamus
Pikachu
Mario
Lucario
Kirby
Sheik
Lucas
Luigi (Weegee)
Wario
Ike
Bowser
Zelda
DK
Ness
Peach
Samus
Sonic
C. Falcon
Jiggs
PT
Yoshi

which leaves these guys, now ill cross out anyone without great kill moves/problems killing, because it says he has no problems killing

C. Falcon
Jiggs
PT
Yoshi
Samus
Ike
Bowser
Zelda
Pikachu
Mario
Lucario
Kirby
Sheik
Lucas
Luigi
Pit
IC's
Olimar
Fox

which leaves, another hint is its doomed to Mid tier, so i'll cross out a few that have been doing really bad in tournaments

IC's
Olimar
Fox
Lucas
Luigi
Kirby
Ike
Bowser
Zelda
Jiggs
PT

That leaves (a few of these might have a good approaches, i'm not sure, i know Ike and zelda don't, and i think the IC's and Kirby might, but i haven't played enough IC's/Kirby/Luigi/Fox mains to tell, if they do have good approaches, mentally check them off)

Fox
IC's
Ike
Kirby
Luigi
Olimar
Zelda

now, weird trick thats hard to pull off in tournament is probably talking about olimars WAC, but i don't know for sure

My guess is Olimar

 

[Blue sHell]

It automatically struck me as Bowser.

There is so much potential in his ability to ISJR, but I've never seen any Bowser realistically do it in a battle despite how useful it's applications could be.

And he has a crappy approach game but could still KO at beastly low %s. His air game also looks great, but is limited like crazy because of his lack of anything auto-cancelable except fair(which you must jump close'ish to the opponent to actually get the autocancel off).

Kishsquared and Warriorknight have been shaping the way Bowser will be played, but if they learned to incorporate more ISJR, I think they'd be doing even better.

 

[waks]

Zelda's my guess. Bad approach, aerials look good on paper (hard to sweetspot with, and is punishable), has no problem KO~ing, has a possibly good chance of going up the tier listings.

Or it may be Bowser, due to ISJR + his aerials.

 

[4Serial]

Zelda/Sheik for sure

 

[Mattnumbers]

I was thinking the Ice Climbers.

 

[Inuashakent]

Zelda/bowser is my guess...

 

[shadowdsfire]

Its Ike...

 

[Snail]

It can't be Olimar, his approach game is fine. He doesn't even need to approach. And Olimar has a fantastic aerial game, not just good-looking.

I think it might be Zelda :D

 

[Speedsk8er]

Dangit, you guys are starting to convince me of Bowser. D:

I'm gonna stick with IC though.

 

[GodAtHand]

I thought it was Zelda until that secret strategy part. If there is something people aren't telling me about my main I will destroy them!

 

[Steel]

it's not IC, i'm going to say Fox

 

[Kirby Redux]

I say Zelda/Olimar

 

[manhunter098]

Pikachu has great kill moves...his F-Smash is very strong, sure its not incredible like Mr. Game and Watch's, but its **** strong if you get it to sweetspot, which isnt too difficult. Thunder is INCREDIBLY powerful as well if you are right next you your opponent when it strikes you, it has power comparable to some of the strongest smash attacks in the game then. His up smash is not really a laughing matter either, it definitely kills well enough, and combined with Thunder (the bolt has great KO potential on an aerial opponent (as they are closer to the death zone above the stage) and lasts longer than an air dodge so its not hard to hit with. Plus he has a chain grab on a number of characters to help him rack up damage and I think it might actually turn into a 0-death string on some opponents if they screw up.


Pikachu fits all the criteria very well aside from the supposed tier placement, which is rather subjective anyways.

 

[Ban3]

DK/SHeik XDXDXD
but you dont have to believe me, i havent got one of these things rite

 

[fkacyan]

Ice Climbers, Shiek, or Zelda.

 

[DanGR]

Why it isn't Olimar:

This character may be doomed to mid tier

no, just no. He's at least high tier.

because despite all the incredible strengths and abilities that this character possesses, the character is lacking any sort of approach game,

He has great approaching even if he ever needs to approach anyways.

and the character's air game, which seems great on the surface, is actually severely lacking.

Olimar has a VERY good aerial game. All have disjointed hitboxes(except nair), great priority, and combo ability. this can't be oimar.

Although, if the player can use this character well, these flaws may not actually be too much of a disadvantage because this character can KO without much of a problem.

true

In the future, this character could very easily rise in the tiers and tournament rankings if more players learn how to use the character well.

He already does great in tourneys despite the fact that Olimar mains are rarer than dinosaurs.

Also, there is an unusual strategy that is not often used that can be taken to balance this character's weaknesses,

maybe WAC. It could be whistle sliding, or desynching pikmin to perform two smashes at the same time-as well. They don't really help his weaknesses any though.

although very few people who use this character use the strategy as it is difficult to do in a real match, and require quite a bit of skill.

maybe, though WAC isn't difficult to use.(imo at least, maybe to others?)

 

[Evilpenguin]

I'm surprised that Pikachu's QAC isn't being discussed (at least not in the recent pages). That seems to fit pretty well for the last part of the hint. It's difficult to use effectively, but when it is used well, it gives Pikachu a great approach, which he doesn't normally.

It could also be Olimar... The whistle isn't exactly a technique, but it's difficult to use well, but very helpful when it is used well.

I'll go with Pikachu, though.

 

[BigRick]

Sheik is out of the equation, she has mediocre KO ability.

About Pikachu vs ICs...

QAC is easy to use... much easier than the IC desynchs at least.

Also very easy KOs with ICs come only when you know how to chaingrab (''when you know how to use them well'') In that case ICs KO alot easier than Pika.

Their aerial game looks good at first glance because of the disjointed hitboxes. Pika's air game has crappy range.

 

[Talvi]

I'll say Bowser or DK

 

[dawgbowl]

Lucas probably, he looks to have a great aerial game but it is kind of meh compared to ness.

 

[victra♥]

My guesses are either IC, Pikachu or Zelda. : /

I was inclined on choosing Ike at first though. These hints are way to general.

 

[nash123]

Thinking pika or lucario.

 

[Blad01]

ICs for me

 

[thisismatt]

I'm probably wrong, but I'm gunna say Donkey Kong.

 

[ice_cream_man]

The only really hint that could be limited to one character was that unusual trick to cover up that character's weaknesses. The other hints were just really general. All I could think of is Pit's WoI Cancel, Bowsers infinite jump, and IC's desynching.

But i'm really limited in knowledge of other character's specific AT's outside of diddy.

 

[Lotsa_Spaghetti]

It's Yoshi! boom! a winrar is me.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

idk i am just going to keep guessing zelda till i am right

 

[talkingbeatles]

It' Captain Falcon!!!

Or zamus,

but probably Falcon.

 

[Dynamism?]

I don't see anything fitting except ICs. :\

 

[Wubblez]

I'm seeing Ice Climbers. Maybe DK. idk...I suck at these hints.

 

[Jigglymaster]

Doomed to mid tier. Obviously Mario. Nintendo always makes him balanced. So he'll never suck and he will never be the best. Well, when it comes to killing w/o a problem is sounds more like Luigi.

 

[Surri-Sama]

I dont think Zelda fails in the air....
nor does pikachu...
Mario doesnt have power attacks


id have to say....Captian Falcon

 

[RikotheFoxKid]

Hmm... I'd say it's Sonic.

 

[Monk/Honkey/Banana]

I was thinking Mario up until I saw "because this character can KO without much of a problem." Mario can't really KO that well however, Luigi can usually kill around 100% and on top of that his Up-B can kill around 60%.

also for unusual strategies...I mean...come on...he's Luigi...

 

[Kitamerby]

Thinking pika or lucario.

Luc's aerials are the shizz, and his approaches are devastating, and he has no TRUE weaknesses that can be really taken advantage of. :\

It's Yoshi! boom! a winrar is me.

Bad Aerials? Wtf?

it's not IC, i'm going to say Fox

Lack of approaches? Wtf?

Doomed to mid tier. Obviously Mario. Nintendo always makes him balanced. So he'll never suck and he will never be the best. Well, when it comes to killing w/o a problem is sounds more like Luigi.

wtf?





It's the Ice Climbers. D:

 

[Radical Dreamer]

Ike.

10chars

 

[edde]

my bets
ike (most likely)
lucas (maybe?)
luigi (maybe?)

 

[TehBo49]

This is tough. I gonna have to say ICs.

 

[manhunter098]

Pikachu does indeed fail at aerials. They are decent in terms of power, and priority, dont get me wrong, but his air game is greatly restricted since all of his aerials have terrible range.

 

[callon]

I think it's Fox.