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If you play any half decent person, side B is just going to get you owned if you roll at them just like that. Down B is rather predictable, neutral b sucks because any moron can break out in half a second, and up B... Well, okay, up+b is useful, but the hint said some specials, not one.
Down-b is not predictable if used from the ground. It's also a decent killing move. Neutral B is not to be used at low percents where it can be escaped quickly. Down-b can also be used for ledge stalls (which are still not banned).
As for killing, Yoshi has better options than a long animation of leaping up and falling back down. And neutral B isn't getting anyone off the edge, nor have I ever seen it used off-stage, but perhaps I'm wrong there.
Please fight Bigman, Chaco, or Mmac, and then come back and tell me that.
It's not supposed to be used to get anyone off the edge. Basically if you get swallowed near the edge, you're forced to DI onto the stage which gives Yoshi a free down-aerial.
At all of the Yoshi's I've played and seen on youtube, none of them went a match without using up-b or down-b. Neutral B and Side-b are of course his worst b-moves, but can still be used "for catching the opponent by surprise".
I'll have to admit I've never heard of those people, but wouldn't simply Fsmashing an opponent be better than that DownB thing? <__<
Or DI off the stage and jump back. Hey hey :D Except if you're playing Olimar or something. Fun move but essential? >_>
The hint never said they couldn't use those moves in a match. The hint says the moves are essential. Yoshi's specials may be fun and useful but I heavily doubt they're essential :/
I think this quote from the hint seals the deal that it's Yoshi. Do people not understand that Yoshi has terrible shield options, and characters like Bowser don't? Bowser has up-b out of a shield, Yoshi can't up-smash or jump out of a shield, WHICH MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
True, except Yoshi isn't slow like hell as bowser, nor can he be "comboed" as easily. Shielding is not the same as a single mistake. A mistake is getting hit. And getting hit is a lot more dangerous to Bowser than it is to Yoshi most of the time.
Lawl, you never heard of me? In fact, weren't you just contesting against me at one point?
For your own knowledge, they're referred to the best Yoshis on smashboards. Down-b can be comboed into and since it can be used from the air, it makes it more useful than forward smash. Keep in mind that since this is one of his killing moves it won't be used so that it will be predictable.
Definitely not "essential", but I do believe the hint says "some specials". It also says "can be used for catching the opponent by surprise" ... this is what smashwiki has to say about Yoshi's egg lay (which was written by the same people that made the hint) "Egg Lay can catch opponents by surprise".
Again the hint says "some specials". If you don't agree with that then I'll expect you to back-up how bowser's down b is essential.
Yeah, but the hint says
being on the defensive for quite a while is somewhere Yoshi does not want to be, since he can't handle it as well as other characters. This is what I was talking about where Bowser can easily escape the defensive position easier because of up-b out of shield.
Okay, you win -.-. I don't know enough about Yoshi to refute all your arguments. So... Could be Bowser or Yoshi. I'll go read a Yoshi guide now. Bye. <_<
Except that when Bowser's gone defensive, he can't get into his shield. He's a slow, massive hurtbox; if you land one hit on him, you can probably get in a bunch more before he's able to do anything about it. Once he's in air, he can't escape a whole lot by airdodging. He can't easily defend by using his attacks, because their hitboxes still leave most of him exposed. If his shield gets down any, then most characters can find a way to poke at him around it, because he's just so big.
Can you please explain how Boswer has "not simply good" specials? Bowsers specials are great (except down-b).
Me neither.
your misunderstanding the hint. it says "This character also has some specials that are not simply good, but are nearly essential to using this character well"
this has been discussed so many times now.
not to be mean or anything, but us Yoshi mains aren't 'praising the hell out of him'. May be if people would be less ignorant and stop making Yoshi hate threads (yes, people DO hate yoshi, may be you don't, but many do) and stop flaming!. And do you have a problem for us guessing Yoshi? Have you noticed how many times people have guessed Toon Link? Pretty much for every character! So what if we guess Yoshi? May be it's because the hint sounds like Yoshi! If you noticed, for the week which was Samus, MOST people, including those who aren't yoshi mains, guessed either or both Yoshi AND Samus. And there's no reason not to have! the hint did say that the char was 'very underestimated'. You have to admit that Yoshi is underestimated. So basically, the idea you have is wrong, we're defending him, not praising him. And most of the 'Yoshi posts' in the Tier List thread were because of coreygames and someone else (i dont know his/her name, it was may be like Lilvia MK 3 or something roughly like that?) and others flaming Yoshi. So just FYI you should blame them.
Not to sound rude, but have you even looked at the last 5 pages of this >.<
Spot dodge
