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Smash UK Discussion Thread - Check first post for tournaments, facebook info and videos!
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jjlinyard
Smash Ace
ermm because pools is part of the tournament experience and having straight brackets can cause unfair matches example a complete new person vs fuzzyness..........the whole point is you need to earn your place in the bracket, once you reach that bracket you then know your against the more skilled people of the tournament this is where you make a name for yourself. Straight brackets also put alot of pressure on players with high nerves...
Anaky
Smash Champion
Yeah and maybe try fit doubles in at the end.
Fuzzyness
The Reality!
you know if we do brackets straight up we might be able to do doubles
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
I like the idea thing but there has to be a sense of seeding in the brackets, like we can't have Me vs Fuzzynes straight away in the brackets and then Chrisboi vs Frostbyte in the brackets and then it end of Me vs Frostbyte in the losers brackets or Chrisboi vs Fuzzyness cos then the top people could potentially go out earlier, which could potentially make the final results look dumb.
MakoMako
Smash Journeyman
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Yeah definately, so it's looking like straight to brackets for singles then doubles afterwards.
Or even, 8 vs 8 crew battle (only Top 16 in tournament) using the top 2 as captains for drafts.
Yeah and what Prof said, we WILL be seeding the brackets instead of letting Loli doing it.
Or even, 8 vs 8 crew battle (only Top 16 in tournament) using the top 2 as captains for drafts.
Yeah and what Prof said, we WILL be seeding the brackets instead of letting Loli doing it.
Anaky
Smash Champion
Wait what?! Didnt i come up with the idea for doubles?
Ohh Alex is ur Mum alright with Me and Yen housing at urs on the Saturday?
OmegaExile
Smash Cadet
OK! i plan on bringing 5-10 people looool so u guys can get more monaay
oh and i was gonna go to the last tourney but it was 1 chicks bday n we went clubbin instead loooool *****>ssbb
OmegaExile
Smash Cadet
so this tourney doesn't have a Doubles? i was gonna team up with my bro... 
OmegaExile
Smash Cadet
oh and HSAM, if u do live around the bits i wudnt mind tagging along :D
omega exile, i cant wait to face ur bro seeing as u said his snake is better than mine.. =P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo10T-hugGQ&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zy_xlByFPM&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhE4m2Q7rZ8&feature=channel
New offline videos my snake vs my bros marth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo10T-hugGQ&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zy_xlByFPM&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhE4m2Q7rZ8&feature=channel
New offline videos my snake vs my bros marth.
Fishy
Smash Rookie
Re: the pools thing, as a noob who came to the last monthly as his first tournament:
If there were no pools, I would've been pretty discouraged to travel as far as I did just to play one guy (officially) cause of the lack of pools. Most new guys are gonna loose 2-0 (which i did). I think pools definately let you earn your place, but also mean your not totally wasting your time if you get beat straight off.
Also the fact that the pools were seeded meant that I got to play fuzzy as well as some guys nearer (although still clearly above) my level. I learnt loads about edgegaurding with falcon in one match with fuzzy, went straight back to the table to play my mate and suddenly he just wasn't getting back on.
Bottom line: Pools take longer, but they mean that new guys get more experiance, are more likely to come back even if they got beat, and the seeded players in each group means they will learn more and hopefully become a lot better and make the whole scene grow in size and competitiveness. I appreciate you can still learn from the friendlies, but the top guys (understandably) want to play each other.
Just saying, I think pools are fairer for everyone. You'd get more unrepresentative upsets as opposed to earned ones without them.
If there were no pools, I would've been pretty discouraged to travel as far as I did just to play one guy (officially) cause of the lack of pools. Most new guys are gonna loose 2-0 (which i did). I think pools definately let you earn your place, but also mean your not totally wasting your time if you get beat straight off.
Also the fact that the pools were seeded meant that I got to play fuzzy as well as some guys nearer (although still clearly above) my level. I learnt loads about edgegaurding with falcon in one match with fuzzy, went straight back to the table to play my mate and suddenly he just wasn't getting back on.
Bottom line: Pools take longer, but they mean that new guys get more experiance, are more likely to come back even if they got beat, and the seeded players in each group means they will learn more and hopefully become a lot better and make the whole scene grow in size and competitiveness. I appreciate you can still learn from the friendlies, but the top guys (understandably) want to play each other.
Just saying, I think pools are fairer for everyone. You'd get more unrepresentative upsets as opposed to earned ones without them.
Bullet Bill
Smash Master
lol loving Duncans loréal hair flip in the London clip 
MakoMako
Smash Journeyman
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I decided not to watch that **** as soon as I saw Willz, you're supposed to put GOOD PLAYERS only. When will you ever learn, silly black boy.
cong
Smash Journeyman
going stright to brackets seems like a bad idea, ant fuzzy planning on doing doubles events on certain months?
im always seeing new people come to these it seems way more logical to allow people the opportunity to play more tourney games. it probaly takes people atleast an hour or two to get to these events and getting wiped out in 2 games would probaly demoralise people from attending again.
it'd probaly sounds like a good idea to get the singles tourney over to play doubles right now, but with a growing community it's probaly better to give newer and mid skilled players a chance to play more matches so it doesn't feel like a wasted time.
on a side note, Exile gonna be ****** guys in this tourney
im always seeing new people come to these it seems way more logical to allow people the opportunity to play more tourney games. it probaly takes people atleast an hour or two to get to these events and getting wiped out in 2 games would probaly demoralise people from attending again.
it'd probaly sounds like a good idea to get the singles tourney over to play doubles right now, but with a growing community it's probaly better to give newer and mid skilled players a chance to play more matches so it doesn't feel like a wasted time.
on a side note, Exile gonna be ****** guys in this tourney
No pools is fine as long as the players in charge of setting up the bracket are good at manual seeding.
To those who say new players will not get enough matches:
In a pool of 4-6 people, you will get 3-5 tournement matches. In double elimination, you will get 2 matches. While this sounds bad, setups will be less used quicker, so you are able to do friendlies much earlier. It also means we get to do doubles, so you get to enter in more than once. I think that easily makes up for it.
For those worried about seeding:
People like prof and fuzzy etc for melee, and fuzzy, kira, mako etc for brawl will be able to make sure seeding is right. JJ, bad players are supposed to play good players earlier. Ideally, first round the best player should play against the worst player, of course, this may not work out 100% accurate in practice, things like prof vs fuzzy shouldnt happen till finals.
Anyway, I'm all for straight to brackets as long as the seeding is done properly. I'd be willing to help if you want to take up my offer but I could understand if you didn't lol.
To those who say new players will not get enough matches:
In a pool of 4-6 people, you will get 3-5 tournement matches. In double elimination, you will get 2 matches. While this sounds bad, setups will be less used quicker, so you are able to do friendlies much earlier. It also means we get to do doubles, so you get to enter in more than once. I think that easily makes up for it.
For those worried about seeding:
People like prof and fuzzy etc for melee, and fuzzy, kira, mako etc for brawl will be able to make sure seeding is right. JJ, bad players are supposed to play good players earlier. Ideally, first round the best player should play against the worst player, of course, this may not work out 100% accurate in practice, things like prof vs fuzzy shouldnt happen till finals.
Anyway, I'm all for straight to brackets as long as the seeding is done properly. I'd be willing to help if you want to take up my offer but I could understand if you didn't lol.
MakoMako
Smash Journeyman
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Can someone please explain to me how pools gives new players who aren't that confident yet tons of tournament experience. Last time I checked, pools of 4 would mean they get to play at least 3 games before getting knocked out. Brackets means they play at least 2, if 1 extra match is all it takes for all the knowledge of competitive smash to suddenly flow into your brain then I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time by proposing such an absurd idea.
Discarding pools to cut the duration of the tournament in half, boy what was I thinking.
Discarding pools to cut the duration of the tournament in half, boy what was I thinking.
OmegaExile
Smash Cadet
Loooooool STFU man!!! i cant even play this game properlygoing stright to brackets seems like a bad idea, ant fuzzy planning on doing doubles events on certain months?
im always seeing new people come to these it seems way more logical to allow people the opportunity to play more tourney games. it probaly takes people atleast an hour or two to get to these events and getting wiped out in 2 games would probaly demoralise people from attending again.
it'd probaly sounds like a good idea to get the singles tourney over to play doubles right now, but with a growing community it's probaly better to give newer and mid skilled players a chance to play more matches so it doesn't feel like a wasted time.
on a side note, Exile gonna be ****** guys in this tourney
I'm coming to learn how to play on a competitive level coz i only play my bro offline
cong
Smash Journeyman
didint you guys just say you want to do a doubles tourney after?
how can people play friendlys with anther tourny going on?
LOL Exile, man trust your gonna do sick =P
how can people play friendlys with anther tourny going on?
LOL Exile, man trust your gonna do sick =P
Bullet Bill
Smash Master
doesn't it depend upon turnout? With a larger turnout, pools is always a good idea but with a smallish turnout just a bracket could be a good alternative. It would avoid some players who are quite good not getting past pools like in my pool there was King and Crabman who are both v good but didn't get through. Plus, with a bracket there'd be no best of 1 crap
Willz
Smash Master
Mako gonna get ***** booooy
Tamoo
Smash Master
going straight to brackets sounds awesome, and if it means time for doubles, then why the hell not
also tio gets the seeding out of the way easily, just take the top 8 from the last tournament and seed as appropriate i guess in the order they came.
Fishy: remember its double elim, so if you lose once, you come up against someone who is likely around you're level as you are both in the losers bracket at the same point. Also, if you get some competetive doubles matches as a result, potentially more competetive matches???
also tio gets the seeding out of the way easily, just take the top 8 from the last tournament and seed as appropriate i guess in the order they came.
Fishy: remember its double elim, so if you lose once, you come up against someone who is likely around you're level as you are both in the losers bracket at the same point. Also, if you get some competetive doubles matches as a result, potentially more competetive matches???
Retroking2000
Smash Master
hmmm if you get knocked out pretty much have to spectate for some whiile
personally the pools i thought is gay
lol
personally the pools i thought is gay
lol
Gantz ak-47
Smash Journeyman
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Professor Pro - loool Why is this created, this looks sooo boring, needs more melee.
OmegaExile
Smash Cadet
what the turnout usually like??? i'm gonna bring as many people as i can even tho its a bad date ...CARNIVAL!!!...gotta SHAKK out with the HUNNIES!!!
but those who do come r gonna be those players who think they r good but aint really lol (easy many muhahaha)
but those who do come r gonna be those players who think they r good but aint really lol (easy many muhahaha)