Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Z25]

My old list of "mysteriously absent" characters has now been updated.

-Dark Samus:
a. No Assist seen
b. Samus' palette for Dark Samus is missing

-Shadow:
a. No Assist seen
b. Different Sonic character Assist (Knuckles) seen

-Isabelle:
a. No Assist seen
b. Different Animal Crossing character Assist (Kap'n) seen

-Ashley:
a. No Assist seen

-Chrom:
a. Robin's Final Smash currently unknown
b. Ike's palette for Chrom is missing

-Lip:
a. No Lip's Stick item seen

-Sandbag:
a. Prop seen at E3 booth AND Evo
b. No in-game appearance seen

-Skull Kid:
a. No Assist seen
b. Different Majora's Mask Assist (Moon) seen

-Ken:
a. Ryu's faded red palette is missing (the original palette it's based on is seemingly a Ken reference while Ken has a Ryu reference palette in the same game)

-Gardevoir:
a. No Poké Ball summon seen


Issac isn't on this list since he wasn't in Smash 4, either. An absence isn't as notable.

I’d be so hyped if sandbag was somehow playable.

 

[ErenJager]

If Ken is an echo, then it's only appropriate that he gets his actual main differences like the firey uppercut. Suggesting that he should be a simple Ryu makes me think those people don't actually play Street Fighter.

The first game they were both in... They were the exact same minus a slightly differently animated throw.

But yeah since then, i'm pretty sure theres some moves Ken doesnt on Ryu.

 

[BlueMagician]

Sandbag for final boss?

 

[Will]

Interesting idea! Are there any potential Boss character candidates that fit the bill for that gun model? Of course it could also be used for a smash original Boss character if Sakurai wants to make more of them in ultimate.

I can only think of one, and it's a huge stretch.

Spoiler

 

[StormC]

Did we see Saki Amamiya’s AT yet?

We have not.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Assist_Trophy#In_Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Interesting idea! Are there any potential Boss character candidates that fit the bill for that gun model? Of course it could also be used for a smash original Boss character if Sakurai wants to make more of them in ultimate.

This

What potential boss characters could be weilding a gun?

That's something I'm curious about. The only idea I have is something in Metroid, but I can't think of anything

 

[MainJPW]

Did we see Saki Amamiya’s AT yet?

Nope.

 

[NextChannelGames]

We already got Ridley/K. Rool/Simon Belmont/Richter Belmont as "retro characters" (they are all from 1987-1993 respectively).

We're almost flat out of "retro" characters from the NES/SNES era. The only ones that matter I can think of are Crono from Chrono Trigger, Geno from Super Mario RPG, Ken from Street Fighter and Dixie Kong from Donkey Kong Country.

That's how deep the retro lineup of Smash is ATM.

The only real retro choices left that make sense are from the Game Boy/N64/PS1 era seem to be Banjo & Kazooie, Rayman, Heihachi Mishima (or his son Kazuya or grandson Jin) from Tekken, Crash Bandicoot (sorry Spyro the Dragon fans), Paper Mario, Black Shadow from F-Zero X, Impa from Ocarina of Time, and Skull Kid from Majora's Mask.

ATM the only "totally unexpected character" is Crono... which sadly isn't happening.

There are characters from the NES/SNES era left like Lip (Panel De Pon), Prince Sable, Balloon Fighter, Donkey Jr, FF 1-6 characters, Dragon Quest Warrior, LoLo, Excitbike, Double Dragon (Don’t know the names), Boy & Blob, Ninja Gaiden, Mike (Startropics),

Saki Amamiya, Isaac,

My old list of "mysteriously absent" characters has now been updated.

-Dark Samus:
a. No Assist seen
b. Samus' palette for Dark Samus is missing

-Shadow:
a. No Assist seen
b. Different Sonic character Assist (Knuckles) seen

-Isabelle:
a. No Assist seen
b. Different Animal Crossing character Assist (Kap'n) seen

-Ashley:
a. No Assist seen

-Chrom:
a. Robin's Final Smash currently unknown
b. Ike's palette for Chrom is missing

-Lip:
a. No Lip's Stick item seen

-Sandbag:
a. Prop seen at E3 booth AND Evo
b. No in-game appearance seen

-Skull Kid:
a. No Assist seen
b. Different Majora's Mask Assist (Moon) seen

-Ken:
a. Ryu's faded red palette is missing (the original palette it's based on is seemingly a Ken reference while Ken has a Ryu reference palette in the same game)

-Gardevoir:
a. No Poké Ball summon seen


Issac isn't on this list since he wasn't in Smash 4, either. An absence isn't as notable.

Umm... I don’t see Lip’s Item on the website of the items shown.

 

[Deleted member]

While we haven't seen Sandbag in game, we have seen it in the Training Mode image...


.......unless.........

Hmm....

Sakurai, you sneaky devil, you....

 

[Wambo]

I could've sworn Sandbag was in the training stage in the Smash Direct.

 

[Chandeelure]

you could add something to the discussion.

I mean, this is honestly the most interesting discussion of BWD I’ve seen yet because it’s not a hive mind; it’s actually interesting and diverse opinions and discussion

I added a meme, that's enough.

But seriously, I'm not interested at all about having debates and discussing the same "Bandana Dee is generic, boring, ugly, unimportant, filler" things I discussed years ago. Smash 4 made me realize how useless speculation and debates full of hate are, the final results of the game will be the same no matter what and if a controversial character gets in almost everybody, including haters, will act like the character was always a great or obvious choice.

I'm just here for leaks, jokes and positive things about the characters I like.
If you dislike Bandana Dee, you can visit the character thread to know more about him and if you still don't like it, eh, I don't really care much, that will not change if he is in or not haha, it's Sakurai's decision.

 

[MainJPW]

Umm... I don’t see Lip’s Item on the website of the items shown.

It’s in Richter’s page.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The first game they were both in... They were the exact same minus a slightly differently animated throw.

But yeah since then, i'm pretty sure theres some moves Ken doesnt on Ryu.

They really only share the typical Shotoclone stuff. Hadoken, Shoryuken, Tastumaki Senpukuaku, etc.

Everything else is unique.

 

[Deleted member]

There are characters from the NES/SNES era left like Lip (Panel De Pon), Prince Sable, Balloon Fighter, Donkey Jr, FF 1-6 characters, Dragon Quest Warrior, LoLo, Excitbike, Double Dragon (Don’t know the names), Boy & Blob, Ninja Gaiden, Mike (Startropics),

Saki Amamiya, Isaac,


Umm... I don’t see Lip’s Item on the website of the items shown.

That's because the list doesn't have all the items.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

There are characters from the NES/SNES era left like Lip (Panel De Pon), Prince Sable, Balloon Fighter, Donkey Jr, FF 1-6 characters, Dragon Quest Warrior, LoLo, Excitbike, Double Dragon (Don’t know the names), Boy & Blob, Ninja Gaiden, Mike (Startropics),

Saki Amamiya, Isaac,


Umm... I don’t see Lip’s Item on the website of the items shown.

It's been shown though
http://smashbros-ultimate.com/items/lips-stick

 

[Sharkarat]

I have the strong suspicion that once smash ultimate is done roster wise, "echo" is just going to mean "clone character that was in ultimate". Every echo we get breaks a rule we previously thought defined them.

I want to point out that no echo so far has broken the rule about same stats. Only Dark Samus is a maybe there, cause we're unsure if the floaty description is about fallspeed or just the animation.

 

[Will]

We have not.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Assist_Trophy#In_Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate

You can defeat Lyn? Damn, that's gonna hit hard on her fans.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

There are characters from the NES/SNES era left like Lip (Panel De Pon), Prince Sable, Balloon Fighter, Donkey Jr, FF 1-6 characters, Dragon Quest Warrior, LoLo, Excitbike, Double Dragon (Don’t know the names), Boy & Blob, Ninja Gaiden, Mike (Startropics),

Saki Amamiya, Isaac,


Umm... I don’t see Lip’s Item on the website of the items shown.

Richter's got a pic with it.

 

[NextChannelGames]

Richter's got a pic with it.

Oh ok! That’s sad, she would’ve been awesome to see.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Hmm....
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Sakurai, you sneaky devil, you....

That's honestly a better conspiracy theory than the chairs.

 

[viewtifulduck82]

I want to point out that no echo so far has broken the rule about same stats. Only Dark Samus is a maybe there, cause we're unsure if the floaty description is about fallspeed or just the animation.

Emphasis on so far, not to mention that this will basically be impossible to tell until we get the chance to test echoes or datamine for the exact numbers.

 

[cothero]

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/428389449/smash-ultimate-leak

Sounds too good to be true in most of parts, also very unlikely on other parts… i had fun reading it tho, but it's gonna be fake like the rest *sighs* I should probably stop looking

Giygas? That's some serious bull**** right there.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

This is exactly how I feel. Everyone mentions Decidueye and Incineroar, but I cannot really see either of those being truly unique, since we already have two archers (Pit, Link) and we already have characters who mainly use fire and command grabs (bowser, ridley, ganondorf)

I'm indifferent to incineroar but those are pretty poor comparisons lol. Not of those characters mainly use command grabs and not of them have a moveset based around them. With standard grabs being universally nerfed this game, a grab central character could potentially stand out even more.

Now, I'm less indifferent about that. I think that sounds really cool tbh. Especially if at least one of his aerials is a command grab that could lead to further follow-ups!

I'm still down to commentate it live.

I got the trash talk lines down folks.

You don't want to get in the bubble with a man made for trouble.

Trying to steal credit

Commentators were me, Moon, and

Smooth Criminal

 

[Zinith]

This thread jumped a quite a bit. What happened other than the Villager blog entry?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Giygas? That's some serious bull**** right there.

It is

But it's kind of awesome bull ****.

Like if a bull **** out... awesomeness. I couldn't think of a way to make this analogy work

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I'm indifferent to incineroar but those are pretty poor comparisons lol. Not of those characters mainly use command grabs and not of them have a moveset based around them. With standard grabs being universally nerfed this game, a grab central character could potentially stand out even more.

Now, I'm less indifferent about that. I think that sounds really cool tbh. Especially if at least one of his aerials is a command grab that could lead to further follow-ups!

The grab nerfs were foreshadowing all along

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

BTW I don't think "****" is a word. Why is it censored? LOL

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Hmm....
View attachment 158757

Sakurai, you sneaky devil, you....

Little do we know, that at this moment, Sandbag begins his plan for revenge

Y-you fools think i’m filled with sand? Just wait...I will consume...your SPIRITS!

 

[RileyXY1]

This thread jumped a quite a bit. What happened other than the Villager blog entry?

Vergeben said that Ken (from Street Fighter) is in.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Little do we know, that at this moment, Sandbag begins his plan for revenge
View attachment 158758
Y-you fools think i’m filled with sand? Just wait...I will consume...your SPIRITS!

He's filled with Soulsand

Steve? confirmed!

 

[CrusherMania1592]

I'd have a problem with Fire Emblem only having two unique characters from the eight they got in that scenario. Yes, the series is rife with characters, but most of them all sharing moves with another would be a little silly.

Also Zelda, Donkey Kong, Street Fighter, Sonic, Xenoblade, Pokemon are all series that could have an echo or two added but we get three FE echoes instead? Eeeeeh...try to diversify the echoes a bit, at least.

Actually that would be 3 unique fighters: Marth, Robin, and Corrin

 

[Zinith]

Vergeben said that Ken (from Street Fighter) is in.

I was there when all that was going on. I meant in the last 12 hours or so...

 

[RileyXY1]

Actually that would be 3 unique fighters: Marth, Robin, and Corrin

You forgot Ike.

 

[Idon]

Actually that would be 3 unique fighters: Marth, Robin, and Corrin

You forgot Ike.

I think he means unique as in "no other character fights like them."
in which case a black knight echo would leave just robin and corrin to be the only 2 that are purely standalone.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

You forgot Ike.

Welp

My brain is fried


4 unique fighters and 3 clones/echos in the series


Yeah...Fire Emblem needs to lay of the clone wars a bit

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Welp

My brain is fried


4 unique fighters and 3 clones/echos in the series


Yeah...Fire Emblem needs to lay of the clone wars a bit

Not until we get Reinhardt as a Robin Echo :^)

 

[Takasmash]

Top 4 Smash Bros Villains Needs To Be In Smash Ultimate

Skull Kid
Hades
Porky
Black Knight

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

I saw some Black Knight speculation a few pages back and I thought I'd throw my two cents in. Ike is much faster in ultimate then he was in smash 4 and at first I thought maybe it was to make him more similar to how fast chrom would be as his echo. Now that chrom is confirmed to be Roy's echo it got me thinking about other FE characters that could make for good echoes and honestly Black Knight seems pretty likely. From the fact hes no longer on castle siege and the fact that he could be a slower, more powerful, Ike I'd be super down as hes honestly one of the coolest FE characters and he has a very striking silhouette comparitivley.

Again this is all pretty loose speculation but I think he'd be awesome even if we dont need more fire emblem. Honestly i wouldnt mind either way but if hes in i might have to drop ike for him as my main lol.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Top 4 Smash Bros Villains Needs To Be In Smash Ultimate

Skull Kid
Hades Medusa
Porky
Black Knight

Fixed

 

[BlueMagician]

This thread jumped a quite a bit. What happened other than the Villager blog entry?

Oh, someone tried to argue that Bandana Dee can't get in because he's not popular in the right way or something like that. Typical arbitrary argument stuff, but it lasted for quite a few pages.