Snake's new 3.0 side-b

[Ogopogo]

Snake apparently has a new side-b, the tranquilizer gun from mgs2 I think????

ANYWAYS it puts people to sleep, unknown for how long because the stream crashed lol

EDIT: I wonder what happens when an opponent is shot with it while off-stage...

 

[trash?]

my mind is imagining that professor pro saw how I kept trying to play snake w/ camping and sideb spamming and made a gross face from it

 

[JOE!]

Pro's face:

 

[JTsm]

Juu was right. I am going to like Snake's new mechanic.....

 

[Xethos]

This tranqulizer is either going to be amazing, or a total train-wreck. Can't tell right now cuz of the frikin crash .

It should help reduce all that annoying camping (yes, I've done it before, but I agree it's ********). I'm just worried about snake's edgeguard now.
He does have other stuff, but the old side b was amazing. I have mixed feelings for this new snake stuff(the taunt is awesome though, so much "In your face"). Definitely forcing more c4's or fairs on my playstyle, but I was planning on doing that anyways.

 

[F. Blue]

I hate this. Moves that put characters to sleep are too weird, it should have stayed unique to Jigglypuff, and Snake can get an instant kill off it.

 

[Shadic]

We've put a lot of testing into making sure that the move is a decent utility move, but is not overly centralizing. Don't freak out entirely because of hearsay and assumptions, please.

It's a far more interactive/fun move for both Snake and the opponent, in my opinion.

 

[Ogopogo]

The real question is this: can it be reflected by all normal reflection methods? Or only by some? Or even not at all?

 

[SOJ]

The real question is this: can it be reflected by all normal reflection methods? Or only by some? Or even not at all?

Yes it can be reflected. It's technically the same article (projectile) as Nikita's missile.

 

[Professor Pro]

my mind is imagining that professor pro saw how I kept trying to play snake w/ camping and sideb spamming and made a gross face from it

LOL I can't remember ever seeing you play Snake once if I'm honest

As for the new Side B, I and the team have put a lot of work into to testing and balancing this move to make it mesh well with his gameplay without it being over-centralising (as I would HATE that for Snake).

There's attributes to this move which might not be entirely clear until playing with it so keep that in mind.

 

[Xethos]

I just saw the part of the stream where JCaesar is actually able to set Kirby to sleep, and it's pretty nice I have to say. A nice way to lead up to many things such as chain grab or sticky

However, I feel like it might be a tad bit too short of a time. Like even a quarter of a second more would be nice, but I understand that would make it annoying for the opponent.
And the reload I again understand why it's there, but it looks so annoying to me. It made JCaesar die twice I believe. Also, shooting them opponent in the air is useless. So I take back my previous statement. This thing is an in between. It's about as good as the missile.

To finish off my opinion, it's not over-centralizing. It's really unique and I think this move would be a fine addition to snake (although my friends define snake through his missile and c4, they have some changing to do). I still feel like it needs some slight adjustments, but that's a given. After all, there are still 3 more weeks till 3.0.

Nice job PMBR!

 

[batistabus]

I love this change. Nikita had to go, and this is a really interesting and unique replacement. I really like how tactical and situational this seems to be.

From what I can tell from the video, you get 2 shots before you reload. You are totally vulnerable during reload and it takes a bit of time. It doesn't take effect if your opponent is in the air. Snake crouches when he shoots, and I'm not sure if he can shoot/reload in the air (JC never did that, but that doesn't mean Snake can't). Your opponent isn't asleep for long, but if you can get over there fast enough, you get a free stick (which makes all the downfalls worth it imo). The move seems to be around the same length as a Falco standing single laser.

 

[Professor Pro]

I just saw the part of the stream where JCaesar is actually able to set Kirby to sleep, and it's pretty nice I have to say. A nice way to lead up to many things such as chain grab or sticky

However, I feel like it might be a tad bit too short of a time. Like even a quarter of a second more would be nice, but I understand that would make it annoying for the opponent.
And the reload I again understand why it's there, but it looks so annoying to me. It made JCaesar die twice I believe. Also, shooting them opponent in the air is useless. So I take back my previous statement. This thing is an in between. It's about as good as the missile.

To finish off my opinion, it's not over-centralizing. It's really unique and I think this move would be a fine addition to snake (although my friends define snake through his missile and c4, they have some changing to do). I still feel like it needs some slight adjustments, but that's a given. After all, there are still 3 more weeks till 3.0.

Nice job PMBR!

I don't think JCaesar has played with it that much to be fair, but I've played with it quite a lot and once you come to understand it and it's limitations, you will never die from reloading.

Floaties can now be stuck slightly easier with tranq and D-Throw has more use now so adjust yourself for hype and learning new things and setups

I love this change. Nikita had to go, and this is a really interesting and unique replacement. I really like how tactical and situational this seems to be.

From what I can tell from the video, you get 2 shots before you reload. You are totally vulnerable during reload and it takes a bit of time. It doesn't take effect if your opponent is in the air. Snake crouches when he shoots, and I'm not sure if he can shoot/reload in the air (JC never did that, but that doesn't mean Snake can't). Your opponent isn't asleep for long, but if you can get over there fast enough, you get a free stick (which makes all the downfalls worth it imo).

It's 3 shots and yes you can reload in the air. And also reload before your clip is empty.
Me and Jolteon will likely be streaming next week so I will hopefully give everyone a good insight on how it works so well without being too much.

 

[Professor Pro]

We will actually be streaming 3.0 this Friday on www.twitch.tv/jolte0n so make SURE you check us out to see the goodies
Prob around 9/10ish in the UK which I think is GMT

 

[Matty89]

Not that I don't like the idea of the tranq, but it just seems like the change is too late. Like I loved the missile. And it's been there since the beginning, now with such a big release something as big as the missle, wether you liked or not is going to be taken out of snake'a arsenal. My friends always hated the thing, but they loved snake having the missle. Saying the mind games with it were so annoying, but such a challenge to get get around that it was fun. All in all I really don't want the change, wether you say I'm a camper or not it was just part of my

 

[Matty89]

play style. Nothing like a missle to the face.

 

[BJN39]

Hmm, interesting change. I wonder how this will affect MUs and him as a character overall. Will this make him better? Or will it make him... "worse"

 

[F. Blue]

The gun is technically cool and all but it would be better suited to an Advance Wars character or some other clone. The Nikita is a huge part of Snakes identity and edgeguard game (especially since Snake is so vulnerable offstage). It wasn't THAT campy, not like it seriously prolonged matches or skewed matchups. Snake was one of the few characters who still felt familiar to Brawl players and I'd hate for that to go away just so the PMBR can show off.

 

[JTsm]

The tranq gun is also a huge part of Snake's identity.

 

[jtm94]

The tranq gun is super huge and I think it is more canon than the missile, not saying the missile wasn't used, but he uses the tranq gun a lotttttt in his games. This makes me super happy and I thoroughly enjoy playing Snake, but it is such a pain when other people use him and seem to get skilless KOs off of missile spam that is faster than some of my character's air speed so I have no choice but to time a good air dodge or eat it. This promotes slightly less campy play though he still has grenades, players will actually have to learn to play Snake as something other than plant mine > plant c4 > launch missile and hope they cross over either the first 2 get hit by the missile directly, or get hit by the missile after it is cancelled. I'm not saying it's a viable strategy, but it is such a pain when using characters that can't reflect projectiles.

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

Hey at least we won't have to worry about snake camping the nikita the entire time during a team match >.>

I'm pretty interested to see how this changes his moveset though, I thought it would work as a good neutral B, replacing the grenades, but I'm just glad to see the tranq in as a move now.

 

[Matty89]

The tranq gun is a huge part of Snake's identity, but so are chaff nades. Id rather see those in place of the tranq. It's just gonna be a tough topic no matter what we like and don't like. Snake has so many tools from the game that any of then could be argued in. I just don't want my play style to be punished just bc some snake players camp with a missile. May not require skill but I honestly don't see it any harder to use than a shine for that matter.

 

[Mr.Random]

I just saw the part of the stream where JCaesar is actually able to set Kirby to sleep, and it's pretty nice I have to say. A nice way to lead up to many things such as chain grab or sticky

However, I feel like it might be a tad bit too short of a time. Like even a quarter of a second more would be nice, but I understand that would make it annoying for the opponent.
And the reload I again understand why it's there, but it looks so annoying to me. It made JCaesar die twice I believe. Also, shooting them opponent in the air is useless. So I take back my previous statement. This thing is an in between. It's about as good as the missile.

To finish off my opinion, it's not over-centralizing. It's really unique and I think this move would be a fine addition to snake (although my friends define snake through his missile and c4, they have some changing to do). I still feel like it needs some slight adjustments, but that's a given. After all, there are still 3 more weeks till 3.0.

Nice job PMBR!

Can you link me to the video or stream itself or the channel the stream was on?

 

[Matty89]

Btw does anyone know if being attacked breaks the sleep? I wouldn't mind tranq>down throw off the ledge. That would be funny, still though that missile. Sleep vs explosion. I hope this tranq isn't going to be justified as being more options for c4 sticks. There are so many options for that already.

 

[Jolteon]

We've been testing this concept out for a while now. I can say with safety that it's fun to use and makes tech chasing with Snake very rewarding, especially with how his throws work.

Regarding balance concerns: The tranq allows Snake to get a C4 in match-ups where Snake previously struggled to. In essence, it rounds off his punish game nicely against the whole cast I think. Of course, you can get other punishes off of it as well as it's a really dynamic move, so I expect to see a lot of creativity with the Tranq.

 

[Matty89]

We've been testing this concept out for a while now. I can say with safety that it's fun to use and makes tech chasing with Snake very rewarding, especially with how his throws work.

Regarding balance concerns: The tranq allows Snake to get a C4 in match-ups where Snake previously struggled to. In essence, it rounds off his punish game nicely against the whole cast I think. Of course, you can get other punishes off of it as well as it's a really dynamic move, so I expect to see a lot of creativity with the Tranq.

How about vs bowsers super armor. Does it penetrate or does it just get ate?

 

[Jolteon]

How about vs bowsers super armor. Does it penetrate or does it just get ate?

I assume you're referring to Bowser's knockback armour. It induces sleep, so it is not effected by it.

 

[Xethos]

Here is the 3.0 stream. Skip all the way to the end to see snake. It's the absolute last and gets cut off. If you want to see the rest of it, go to part two.http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp

 

[Matty89]

I assume you're referring to Bowser's knockback armour. It induces sleep, so it is not effected by it.

Yes...lol, that sounds great.

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

Two questions:

How do you reload before your clip has run out?
Does the attack do ANYTHING to opponents in the air?

Nikita just felt really dirty. It's a shame that it had to go simply because it's fairly iconic for Metal Gear, but the tranq. gun is even more iconic in my mind. It also varies up Snake's moveset more by getting rid of an explosive. The move looks really great, and I'm really excited to try it out. Everything I've seen for Snake in 3.0 has me crazy hyped.

 

[batistabus]

Does the attack do ANYTHING to opponents in the air?

1% damage, according to Xanadu gameplay.

 

[Matty89]

Sucks I won't even get to play with the Nikita in turbo mode. only hope now is a big boss costume.

 

[Professor Pro]

Sucks I won't even get to play with the Nikita in turbo mode. only hope now is a big boss costume.

Because of the way Nikita works it didn't cancel on hit anyway, so it was exactly the same in Turbo mode so no need to feel let down lol.

Two questions:

How do you reload before your clip has run out?
Does the attack do ANYTHING to opponents in the air?

Nikita just felt really dirty. It's a shame that it had to go simply because it's fairly iconic for Metal Gear, but the tranq. gun is even more iconic in my mind. It also varies up Snake's moveset more by getting rid of an explosive. The move looks really great, and I'm really excited to try it out. Everything I've seen for Snake in 3.0 has me crazy hyped.

You have a 6 frame window to press shield at the beginning of Side B to reload, that's how you reload before your clip runs out, otherwise it just shoots a normal shot.
And tranq on mid-air opponents sends them SLIGHTLY down but not by much to make a big difference edgeguarding wise.

I'm happy to see you are hyped about it, it's a really interesting part of his gameplay now and I know a lot of Snake players will enjoy this a lot more than Nikita in the long run.
Remember we will be streaming tomorrow on www.twitch.tv/Jolte0n and I will be playing Snake so watch out for that

 

[JTsm]

I will definitely be taking notes tomorrow.

 

[drsusredfish]

hiting the opponent in the air with the tranq should put them in tumble or "footstolled" status.

 

[Professor Pro]

Then it would become a tech chase tool for aerial opponents and become to centralizing.

It's really good though where it is atm, I'm looking forward to everyone trying it out

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

You're the best, Prof. Keep up the good work.

 

[br8k]

Btw does anyone know if being attacked breaks the sleep? I wouldn't mind tranq>down throw off the ledge. That would be funny, still though that missile. Sleep vs explosion. I hope this tranq isn't going to be justified as being more options for c4 sticks. There are so many options for that already.

Down throw off the ledge? How was down-throw changed?

 

[Professor Pro]

Down throw off the ledge? How was down-throw changed?

To answer Matty89 being attacked or grab does break sleep.
And D-Throw is the same.

 

[EastCoastEddie]

Professor Pro! Thank you for everything you do for the Snake community (and project m community in general..) I can't wait to try the new Snaaaaaake!