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Personally I think Luigi goes even with Cloud and Sheik for the sheer fact that both of them have easy chances of getting killed early. (Sheik's upB is gimpable and she is very light/ Cloud's recovery is very gimpable) I also think that marth wins the matchup because he just had ridiculous spacing that's hard for Luigi to deal with. IMOVery short version:
Win: Bayo, Fox,Mario,Diddy, (Pikachu)
Loss: Sheik, Cloud, ZSS, Mewtwo, Sonic, Rosa
Even: Ryu,(maybe Marth)
Study em all though, cause none are instant wins (or losses) for Luigi. Elegant is out there managing Sheiks yet has a Diddy problem, so it just goes to show ya top tiers can always hold their own.
Luigi gets blown up in the neutral by Cloud and Sheik. Cloud overwhelms Luigi with superior range and mobility. Cloud is easy to gimp though, yes. It's hard when Luigi is kept away in the air so he's forced to play on the ground where Cloud is a bit slower frame data wise. Luigi can't do much about Cloud charging limit either.Personally I think Luigi goes even with Cloud and Sheik for the sheer fact that both of them have easy chances of getting killed early. (Sheik's upB is gimpable and she is very light/ Cloud's recovery is very gimpable) I also think that marth wins the matchup because he just had ridiculous spacing that's hard for Luigi to deal with. IMO
Just a minor nitpick here, Sheik's upb is very hard to gimp, but it is doable, it doesn't go too far on its own, sheik mainly needs to rely on bouncing bullcrap and her double jump to make it back safely.Luigi gets blown up in the neutral by Cloud and Sheik. Cloud overwhelms Luigi with superior range and mobility. Cloud is easy to gimp though, yes. It's hard when Luigi is kept away in the air so he's forced to play on the ground where Cloud is a bit slower frame data wise. Luigi can't do much about Cloud charging limit either.
Sheik uses needles and has such overwhelming frame data that even Luigis nair doesn't shatter much of Sheiks strings, certainly not fair. Also he is very easily gimped off stage. She's up B is not very easy to gimp at all, there is little to no window for Luigi to intercept up B. She is combo material though and Elegant seems to do well vs Void, but I don't think it's even. I played this matchup many times and I usually switch to Mewtwo for it.
Cloud can basically space better than Marth due to better mobility, frame data, and a (mediocre) projectile. Marth doesn't have the frame data to contend with Luigi at times, but his range is bothering. But so is Luigi's fireball to Marth, and Marth can't go as deep offstage as Sheik either or control with a projectile. It's doable, no more than 55:45 Marth but there's not a lot of top level play to really determine this. Well, Elegant mutilated Pugwest at the last big tournament...
Bayonetta hates grab based characters since she can't witch time freely. Luigi just so happens to be able to get 25% or more out of 1 dthrow combo, he also boasts much better frame data, attack speed, and a much more reliable finisher in Usmash which can really screw her over due to her having no real reliable ways of escaping juggles except for DABK, which usmash either trades with or goes through, he can have trouble with her dumb bull range, but that's about it.Would you mind explaining why Luigi wins to Bayo? Is it because her Witch Time isn't particularly useful against a character that prefers to dash grab rather than throw out aerials?
The head invincibility either trades or goes through DABK's bull hitbox.That makes sense, but as you noted, getting that grab can be rough because of her stupid range and ability to just run away and stall Luigi out with acrobatic nonsense and bullets. I haven't tried trading usmash with DABK, I'll have to look into that.
Well more so the top 10, but I suppose we can talk about the high tiers as wellHey there! So we're talking about how well Luigi spars with high tier characters?
I'm a luigi main for life, but sometimes I get irritated at how hard I have to "work" at matchups and how much time I spend (slowly) drifting back to the stage or trying to chase down a camping opponent. There just aren't any really abuseable things about Luigi, other than maybe Down B Cyclone gimps every now and then, and even so that took me a stupidly long time to master and I don't always feel like mashing the crap out of my controller.Is that all this is about? Anyway, in my opinion Luigi is the best. I know statistically He's not, but I think he's a great character !!
I agree with you. Though mashing isn't a problem for me...! Anyway, you're kind of right. But some of it is opinionated or you just have a hard time adapting. Anything can be played around you know.I'm a luigi main for life, but sometimes I get irritated at how hard I have to "work" at matchups and how much time I spend (slowly) drifting back to the stage or trying to chase down a camping opponent. There just aren't any really abuseable things about Luigi, other than maybe Down B Cyclone gimps every now and then, and even so that took me a stupidly long time to master and I don't always feel like mashing the crap out of my controller.
I usually do it when recovering. I find this situation comes up most often when I recover low with Missle and it occurs against her or any other character who goes low to gimp my horizontal recovery. I'll burn my second jump to throw a fireball at the lower lip of the stage and use either UpB or mash DownB to recover after.Didn't know about useage of fireballs to screw with tether recoveries. What do you do, short hop off and chuck it at the ledge?
Sonic is definitely losingFrom discussing this with other good Luigi's I think I can give a general overview for anyone looking to understand his spread against the other top tiers. This is a compilation of top Luigi's opinions on matchups combined, for the most part.
Beats- Mario, Pikachu, Fox, Captain Falcon, Diddy Kong, Lucario, Metaknight, DK, Olimar
Even- Sonic, Cloud, Ryu, Bayonetta, Corrin, Marth/Lucina, Sheik, Megaman, Villager, Bowser
Loses- ZSS, Rosa, Mewtwo (Some argue Sheik and Megaman, but results say otherwise.)
I know a lot of these arent 100% top tier, but still relevant. A lot of his matchups in general tend to lean more toward even like a lot of the better characters in the game for reference.
I really do not see how. I have played Craftis a ton, who is without a doubt one of the best sonics at the Luigi matchup from playing with other sonics such as powpow. Luigis fireball creates a hole in sonics neutral forcing him to jump a lot and approach high. Luigi can chase sonic in the air and on landings really well, along with having a better boxing game. Sonic really only does better at the edge and in advantage.Sonic is definitely losing
Luigi can't catch him, most of luigi's garbage is shut down by sonic, better range, really easily gimpedI really do not see how. I have played Craftis a ton, who is without a doubt one of the best sonics at the Luigi matchup from playing with other sonics such as powpow. Luigis fireball creates a hole in sonics neutral forcing him to jump a lot and approach high. Luigi can chase sonic in the air and on landings really well, along with having a better boxing game. Sonic really only does better at the edge and in advantage.
Luigis fireballs make up for his speed in this matchup, shutting down landings and forcing a predictable approach. Sonic really does not have better range, and if youre getting gimped easy then your recovery just sucks in general.Luigi can't catch him, most of luigi's garbage is shut down by sonic, better range, really easily gimped