Socialize. peach for top tier?

[Sinji]

Iv'e been playing around with peach and I think peach should be top tier.

This has nothing to do with Armada.

she has the floats and her aerials has a lot of priority.

her combos and float cancels and dsmash traps is why I think she should be top tier.

Should Peach be top tier?

 

[Dark Hart]

N o

 

[Kite91]

I think Peach is perfect where she is, shes still amazing nonetheless but overall i think shes fine.
On the other hand I think Pikachu should be moved even with Gannon, thats just me tho

 

[Eggm]

Iv'e been playing around with peach and I think peach should be top tier.

This has nothing to do with Armada.

she has the floats and her aerials has a lot of priority.

her combos and float cancels and dsmash traps is why I think she should be top tier.

Should Peach be top tier?

Nah, cause she's not Jamaican like you.

 

[Bing]

Nah, Peach has too many match-up disadvantages, and also, look at most nationals, Yes Armada, #1, but then it gets further down the list before another peach appears, Yes MacD had a good run too, but Im not jumping on any Peach for top tier bandwagons. There too many characters infront of her that could be top tier over her, Namingly, Marth should be back at Top. Not A. I think Him and Puff should switch.

Speaking of Tier List, I never noticed a few things. 1. Two characters have there own tier. Ic's and Link(joke, cause YL and Link have there own tier)
Also never really noticed that Link was above DK.
Pikachu should be tied with Ganon, or atleast in the C Tier. And Doc should be moved down a bit?(I dunno, Shrommed just made a good showing to keep Doc where he's at)

 

[Pi]

the tier list does not directly correlate to how good a character is

if everyone sucked and someone was really good w/ roy and he was winning all the tournaments roy would be top tier

 

[Bing]

It Does show how the characters current metagame has been developed though correct?

And actually to be honest, I try to look at the tier list, I think its rather pointless.

 

[Alex Strife]

I think she should be.

She has shine spikes and D-Air as great moves.

Oh wait THATS SPACIES

She can rest and bair

OH THATS JIGGZ

She can tipper

THATS IT

 

[Jonas]

i mean

we can just put her on #1 on the next tier list if u really want

its ok she can be top tier

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

In the current metaknight, she's doing ok. Two peaches in the top 12 at Genesis, not too bad.

Falco = PP + Mango = 1.5 (Mango = 0.5)
Marth = Taj + m2k = 1 (m2k = Taj = 0.5)
Sheik = 0.5 (m2k = 0.5)
Fox = Mango + sfat = 1.5 (Mango = 0.5)
Falcon = s2j + hax = 2
Puff = bair
Doc = dajuan = 1 i guess
ylink = 0.5

**** that means peach = 1.5 too

ic = 1
m2 = 0.5

according to my calculations.

1. Falcon
2. Peach, Falco, Fox
3. Doc, Puff, Marth, IC
4. Mewtwo, Sheik, Young Link




EDIT: Marth (is barely a character I guess).

 

[TheDekuNut]

you just can't argue with the math

 

[baka4moé]

^^ LOLOLOLOL zhu

 

[Kite91]

I think she should be.

She has shine spikes and D-Air as great moves.

Oh wait THATS SPACIES

She can rest and bair

OH THATS JIGGZ

She can tipper

THATS IT

This made me laugh pretty hard lol

 

[Byron 1337]

This has nothing to do with Armada.

LOL 10 Lies much

 

[Bing]

In the current metaknight, she's doing ok. Two peaches in the top 12 at Genesis, not too bad.

Falco = PP + Mango = 1.5 (Mango = 0.5)
Marth = Taj + m2k = 1 (m2k = Taj = 0.5)
Sheik = 0.5
Fox = Mango + sfat = 1.5 (Mango = 0.5)
Falcon = s2j + hax = 2
Puff = bair
Doc = dajuan = 1 i guess
ylink = 0.5

**** that means peach = 1.5 too

ic = 1
m2 = 0.5

according to my calculations.

1. Falcon
2. Peach, Falco, Fox
3. Doc, Puff, IC
4. Mewtwo, Sheik, Young Link

Wheres Marth? ;-;

 

[Fuss]

I'm right here silly pants mc'gee.

 

[Wake]

Zhu's post is awesome. Everyone look at it now.

Also, I think she's fine where she is. I don't see her as being better than any of the characters above her.

 

[JPOBS]

I dunno about top tier, but I think there's an argument to be made for her being better than marth and mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybe sheik.

but this community is so stubborn, it took like 2.5 years of jiggs dominance for us to finally move her up so I'm not really expecting anything.

 

[Wake]

I can see her and Marth being a little shaky, but I don't think she's above Sheik...

 

[Super]

I dunno about top tier, but I think there's an argument to be made for her being better than marth and mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybe sheik.

but this community is so stubborn, it took like 2.5 years of Mango&Hbox dominance for us to finally move her up so I'm not really expecting anything.

Maybe above Marth but not Sheik. I also think Jiggs will not go any higher.

 

[Mooo]

zhu's math is spot on

 

[KirbyKaze]

No. She loses to too many characters (Fox, Falcon, Sheik, Marth, Puff).

 

[Aero.]

No. She loses to too many characters (Fox, Falcon, Sheik, Marth, Puff).

^^^ KK knows all. O_O

 

[EPsilon933]

No. She loses to too many characters (Fox, Falcon, Sheik, Marth, Puff).

From my experience, those 3 go even vs Peach

 

[Dulren]

From my experience, those 3 go even vs Peach

Falcon runs circles around peach, mitigates the effectiveness of her turnips by being in her face constantly, and can combo her like no other. The only thing peach has going for her Vs Falcon is edge-guarding.

Puff ***** peach. There's literally nothing Peach can do vs perfectly spaced bair spam. If peach wins this MU, it's very obvious who the better player is.

I'm also inclined to doubt Sheik/Peach is 50/50, but I have little experience in the MU. It just seems like sheik isn't so easily edge guarded by Peach, can combo Peach pretty well, and Sheik's bair seems amazing vs Peach with proper spacing (though that's just speculation)

 

[Stevo]

Falcon would destroy Peach if it wasn't for peach's dash attack.

but it is still a tough match.

 

[Mokumo]

dont forget peach can chaingrab falcon on FD pretty bad

 

[mers]

IMO, Peach is the third best character in the game.

But the tier list depends more on tourney results, so I'm not sure if it's time to move her up yet.

 

[Niko45]

Ridiculously good character.

 

[t3h Icy]

While Armada just won an international with mostly Peach, the next top placings are usually MacD and Vanz. After that, there's little to no other Peaches in the bracket.

 

[EPsilon933]

Falcon runs circles around peach, mitigates the effectiveness of her turnips by being in her face constantly, and can combo her like no other. The only thing peach has going for her Vs Falcon is edge-guarding.

Turnips aren't as easily dodgeable as you might think. They force Captain Falcon to approach and all Falcon has in his spacing game is dash dance camping. Peach has a lot of combo tricksies on Falcon, which is more than just edge guards

Puff ***** peach. There's literally nothing Peach can do vs perfectly spaced bair spam. If peach wins this MU, it's very obvious who the better player is.

Peach gets ***** when she approaches, but that's not her metagame vs Jigglypuff. She has a lot vs Jigglypuff's spaced bairs. The slap always either trades or wins vs her half invisible foot. She can force Jigglypuff to approach with turnips and her bair isn't as good of an approach as you might think

I'm also inclined to doubt Sheik/Peach is 50/50, but I have little experience in the MU. It just seems like sheik isn't so easily edge guarded by Peach, can combo Peach pretty well, and Sheik's bair seems amazing vs Peach with proper spacing (though that's just speculation)

Every move of Sheik's is easily crouch cancelable, except ftilt. Peach edgegaurds Sheik harder than Sheik edgeguards Peach. Sure Sheik out comboes Peach, but Peach out spaces Sheik. I don't think I've played this matchup enough to know stuff about Sheik's bair vs her

Falcon would destroy Peach if it wasn't for peach's dash attack.

but it is still a tough match.

The turnips are Falcon's worst fear

IMO, Peach is the third best character in the game.

But the tier list depends more on tourney results, so I'm not sure if it's time to move her up yet.

3rd? Who is she better than? Imo the top 6 are in this order from top to bottom: Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth, Jigglypuff, Peach. Too bad tier lists are so heavily based on big tournament results. We're going to need multiple tier lists because a character like Fox ***** locals but isn't so hot in 3 day nationals

Ridiculously good character.

Yes. The thing about Peach is she has perhaps the best spacing game

 

[Brookman]

you just can't argue with the meth

fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiixed

 

[Sinji]

Sheik ***** peach. (dthrow>fair)

Falcon vs Peach: The matchup is even because Falcon wins the match up itself and peach wins in terms of stage advantage. Falcon can beat peach on FD because he has a lot of room to DD. But peach beats Falcon on 4/5 neutral stages. FOD, Yoshi's Story,Battlefield (Falcon cant run about much). Peach wins on Dreamland because of the high ceiling and the wide area.

Jiggs vs Peach: Lets not make Armadas loss at apex fool us. The match up is in peaches favor. Peach can space properly with her turnips against jiggs. Combos such as turnip>fair or traps like float cancel grab when jiggs is approaching. Peaches Bair is her bread and butter against jiggs. Her uair can kill jiggs around 60% at the least. Also peaches turnip>nair as a finisher works well on jiggs. Overall peach has a solid advantage over jiggs.

 

[Brookman]

dear sinji,


please stop.

 

[Strong Badam]

saying peach vs. jiggs is in peach's favor is like saying sheik vs. jiggs is in sheik's favor.

 

[Brookman]

sheik ***** jiggs. down throw fair, obviously.

 

[KirbyKaze]

From my experience, those 3 go even vs Peach

At low level, sure.

 

[Armada]

Started to wonder when a thread like this would come

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

Started to wonder when a thread like this would come

It's ok, from my math, Falcon is the best character.

I mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfMf7uS-5fU

Spoiler

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[Alex Strife]

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