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I'm still not convinced. It can still happen. Never say neverWhen a third-party franchise begins to gain more recognition than some of Nintendo's own history, you know that the original vision of Smash has been disregarded. While I do agree that Sega has been working closer to Nintendo than they were just a few years ago, that doesn't make them any more Nintendo. I think that Nintendo and Sega's new found closeness speaks volumes about Sonic being in future Smash games, but it says nothing about a second rep. Sonic as an individual character is the mascot of Nintendo's worst-rival-turned-closest-ally, but once you begin to add more Sonic characters, you begin treating a guest franchise like an actual Nintendo series, while neglecting actual Nintendo series.
This may sound like a paranoid ramble, but Sakurai has displayed a pretty particular attitude toward third-parties. He even went out of his way to make Mega Man reflect his NES incarnate as much as possible in order to compliment his purist form of thinking towards Super Smash Bros.
"I'm not going to have just any character participate from other companies." -Masahiro Sakurai, Super Smash Bros for Wii U & 3DS Developer Direct, 2013
Like I said, I'm not going to neglect Nintendo and Sega's partnership over the course of the past few years, but that just means that Sega can expect an open door to one guest character, not one more guest character.
We're not saying it can't happen.I'm still not convinced. It can still happen. Never say never
There is a fine line between optimism and getting your hopes up. You can disagree with me all day long, but if your only reason is because you'd like to see it happen, then there is an unnecessary amount of blind faith in play here.I'm still not convinced. It can still happen. Never say never
That and how we hope it won't.We're not saying it can't happen.
We're saying it won't.
Because Sonic has far more to offer than Yoshi, F-Zero, or even Wii Fit mind you.That and how we hope it won't.
But seriously, why add a 2nd rep for one 3rd party series before every 1st party series gets at least one rep, or a few more 3rd party companies?
I said at least one rep.Because Sonic has far more to offer than Yoshi, F-Zero, or even Wii Fit mind you.
Baloney! Kamek would represent Mario! I'm not saying will happen, I'm saying that it is not impossible.Yoshi- Kamek
We have as much insight on the roster as you do. I wouldn't pull that card when you disregard people simply by saying "never say never".Baloney! Kamek would represent Mario! I'm not saying will happen, I'm saying that it is not impossible.
And another thing! You cannot be so (censored) sure that the Sonic series isn't getting an extra character when you do not work for Sakurai, pardon my French, but that's a little bit stupid! You can think that way, but I'd only believe it if Sakurai himself tells you in person.
You must have missed Swampasaur's post.Baloney! Kamek would represent Mario! I'm not saying will happen, I'm saying that it is not impossible.
And another thing! You cannot be so (censored) sure that the Sonic series isn't getting an extra character when you do not work for Sakurai, pardon my French, but that's a little bit stupid! You can think that way, but I'd only believe it if Sakurai himself tells you in person.
This one.We're not saying it can't happen.
We're saying it won't.
No I read that post, but I still don't believe you.You must have missed Swampasaur's post.
This one.
All I was trying to prove is why it won't and why it shouldn't.
Don't believe what?No I read that post, but I still don't believe you.
Quit moving the goal post. We're talking this pair of games.Umm, idk. Cbeck with me after the seventh smash game.
Whatever, dude!Quit moving the goal post. We're talking this pair of games.
I was gonna say the exact same thing, but that would be off topic.Kamek could represent Mario (see NSMB Wii).
By that logic, R.O.B.'s a Mario Kart character. Kamek is the main villain of the Yoshi series, and has a much greater presence there.Kamek could represent Mario (see NSMB Wii).
Just because some (not even most) fans want it to happen, doesn't mean it will.I was gonna say the exact same thing, but that would be off topic.
And another thing, I said last week that there's nothing out there that suggests Nintendo buying up Sega, but that was so stupid of me. A lot of fans actually want that to happen, I'm not gonna dive too deep into that lake today though.
Hey! I didn't say I wanted Nintendo to buy out SEGA, I only said that is popular demand of late. When I say "I'm not diving too deep into that lake," that meant that I wasn't going to state my opinion and back it up all so boringly.Just because some (not even most) fans want it to happen, doesn't mean it will.
By not backing it up, you're not choosing to not jump in the lake, you're refusing to go to the lake in the first place. You're merely suggesting the possibility of going to the lake.Hey! I didn't say I wanted Nintendo to buy out SEGA, I only said that is popular demand of late. When I say "I'm not diving too deep into that lake," that meant that I wasn't going to state my opinion and back it up all so boringly.
You want backup? Watch this!By not backing it up, you're not choosing to not jump in the lake, you're refusing to go to the lake in the first place. You're merely suggesting the possibility of going to the lake.
Of course people would expect you to back up what you say. Not everything will be taken at face value.
This is a video showing one guy saying why it could be a good idea. It isn't really proof that "tons of people want it." There's not even proof that Nintendo would do so. I don't see how it's relevant...
I'm not going to bore you with ten million supporting videos, but if you want more backup, then there are a lot of supporters in the comment section. I can't go around looking for more videos like this though, because I'm a college student, and I got a whole lotta work of my shoulders. I was only active a lot this week because of Spring Break.This is a video showing one guy saying why it could be a good idea. It isn't really proof that "tons of people want it." There's not even proof that Nintendo would do so. I don't see how it's relevant...
They're as close to being "Nintendo" as a third party could possibly get. When it comes to the Sonic franchise, Sega is frighteningly close to the spirit and essence of a Nintendo developer. That could be because they are shamelessly cribbing from Mario's notebook, but the result is the same; Sonic now feels like a Nintendo franchise.While I do agree that Sega has been working closer to Nintendo than they were just a few years ago, that doesn't make them any more Nintendo.
Thank you, this is what I've been trying to say for almost a month now.They're as close to being "Nintendo" as a third party could possibly get. When it comes to the Sonic franchise, Sega is frighteningly close to the spirit and essence of a Nintendo developer. That could be because they are shamelessly cribbing from Mario's notebook, but the result is the same; Sonic now feels like a Nintendo franchise.
They are only "not Nintendo" in the legally binding sense.
We have Third Party representation because most people do not make the distinction between a "game on a Nintendo platform", and a "Nintendo game". I believe that Sakurai understands this, and is willing to represent the full breadth of Nintendo's history, rather than just their first/second party efforts.
Does he? Every man and his mother know that SSB is a series designed to celebrate Nintendo games and Nintendo history, Sega, Capcom or any other third party company don't come into the equation. Therefore Sonic or any other third party character (including Sonic's furry friends) being in SSB has to be considered a privilege rather than a right.Comparing the two, I saw some dissimilarity. Shadow still has every right to be playable even if it was fake.
But remember, Sonic and his friends have been in countless crossovers with Mario, and Sonic is the third party franchise most supported by Nintendo, and SEGA has returned the favor for over ten years. Seeing as how some people here might say that he's only non Nintendo by branding, that privilege may as well be considered one that never gets revoked.Does he? Every man and his mother know that SSB is a series designed to celebrate Nintendo games and Nintendo history, Sega, Capcom or any other third party company don't come into the equation. Therefore Sonic or any other third party character (including Sonic's furry friends) being in SSB has to be considered a privilege rather than a right.
I was gonna say the exact same thing, but that would be off topic.
And another thing, I said last week that there's nothing out there that suggests Nintendo buying up Sega, but that was so stupid of me. A lot of fans actually want that to happen, I'm not gonna dive too deep into that lake today though.
Yeah, but you said it has been years since. It's not really impossible, but it's also not likely. Don't quote me on this, but I would not be surprised either way, if they do purchase SEGA or if they don't.I read about that several years ago. I think Nintendo initially thought about it but decided against it. Sega is doing well through some of their third parties (like Creative Assembly). They would be better off staying non-Nintendo. Also, most of their heavier games are more oriented for PC/PS4.
I definitely agree, just what is his black palette swap in Brawl supposed to be, it should be a Shadow pallet swap instead.If there's no 2nd Sonic character (which is the most likely case), I'd hope that Tails or Eggman get added as Assist Trophies, even if Shadow needs to be scrapped. He can stay as a palette swap.
Man...I had this whole spiel typed out, but it didn't save as a draft. Let me try and recreate it...They're as close to being "Nintendo" as a third party could possibly get. When it comes to the Sonic franchise, Sega is frighteningly close to the spirit and essence of a Nintendo developer. That could be because they are shamelessly cribbing from Mario's notebook, but the result is the same; Sonic now feels like a Nintendo franchise.
They are only "not Nintendo" in the legally binding sense.
We have Third Party representation because most people do not make the distinction between a "game on a Nintendo platform", and a "Nintendo game". I believe that Sakurai understands this, and is willing to represent the full breadth of Nintendo's history, rather than just their first/second party efforts.
Well, seeing as how the ties between Nintendo and SEGA are strong, I thinking MAYBE that Nintendo will buy up SEGA between this title and the nextHonestly I can see it happen once some other 1st party series get reps. Metroid is long over due, Kid Icuras would get another first, etc. Once they run out of major Nintendo characters, by then can a second Sonic rep come in. Maybe by the 6th one, maybe even 5th, but as of now, I don't see it happening at all. But I thnk the next Sonic rep would be Tails, then Eggman or Knuckles.
Well, sorta unlikely, but eh, could happen. But hasn't happened yet, so...no 2nd Sonic rep for Smash 4. Like I said, I can only see it happening in the future, like 5 or 6.Well, seeing as how the ties between Nintendo and SEGA are strong, I thinking MAYBE that Nintendo will buy up SEGA between this title and the next
Yeah, I honestly don't see Sakurai playing along with the Year of Sonic because he did not play along with the Year of Luigi at all. Luigi only got in when he did as a tie in to Dream Team.Well, sorta unlikely, but eh, could happen. But hasn't happened yet, so...no 2nd Sonic rep for Smash 4. Like I said, I can only see it happening in the future, like 5 or 6.
Yeah, I honestly don't see Sakurai playing along with the Year of Sonic because he did not play along with the Year of Luigi at all. Luigi only got in when he did as a tie in to Dream Team.
"A REAL pic of the day--Luigi joins the battle! In prior games, we've never introduced Luigi before release, but why not? This is the "Year of Luigi," after all."Yeah, I honestly don't see Sakurai playing along with the Year of Sonic because he did not play along with the Year of Luigi at all. Luigi only got in when he did as a tie in to Dream Team.
Well, if/when Nintendo buys up SEGA, we could expect a lot of reps. Here's my prediction if that happensWhen the hell did Sonic do to get a year and when was his anniversary this year and since when was he neglected? That makes the Year of Luigi not special anymore great for a week I'll be mad at Sega.
Well he said in his comment for Luigi that he announced him earlier than he would have, but yeah. I wouldn't really mind it, but I don't see it this time. Also no way in heck will Shadow be second. Like, Tails and Knuckles first.
Yeah, but not all four. Especially over the course of one game. Even if Nintendo buys Sega, Sonic won't get as much special treatment as Mario, or Pokemon, or Zelda.Well, if/when Nintendo buys up SEGA, we could expect a lot of reps. Here's my prediction if that happens
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Amy
Shadow