ssbm quiz

[AXE 09]

you cannot meteor cancel ganons ariel down b

and unfortunately for kirby, every kick of his down air is only a meteor smash

and YL's fire spike is able to be meteor cancelled as well

i've never seen luigi's back of his fair spike, but when his Dair sends you strait down, that is also able to be meteor cancelled


knihT: how else can you lose it?

 

[pockyD]

@ the samus thing: if it's anything like DK's, getting hit out of up-b

i'm about 90% sure roy's usmash is a meteor

Lunin had a good quiz on facebook a while ago

maybe i'll find it

NORMAL TIPPER FULL TIPPER

 

[AXE 09]

if you hit an airborne opponent with the tip of roy's Usmash, it's a spike, not a meteor.

you loose dk's punch if you get hit during your up-b? snaps, i had no idea lol

 

[john!]

Fastest attacks are rest and shines (frame 1)

Peach's slap comes out on frame 2 and nair on frame 3. Her and Zelda have the worst wavedashes.

M2K's Statistics List could provide a lot of questions and answers.

 

[2.72]

I think that the test would be better off using things that you could observe from playing actual matches, not reciting frame data. Knowing which moves come out in 1, 2 or 3 frames is reasonable. I can feel the difference. Asking how many frames Pikas dsmash takes, for instance, is not. Basically, when I read a question I want to think, "I should totally know that... but I don't," or maybe that another (wrong) answer is obvious.

 

[Tee ay eye]

if you hit an airborne opponent with the tip of roy's Usmash, it's a spike, not a meteor.

i think you're wrong, jeff

q: what is the best thing about axe?
a: his mini fro

 

[Pi]

Yea it's the same as DK
I almost put it as a samus and DK question but I wasn't 100% sure about DK's
Both lose their charged neutral B attacks when hit out of their UB animation (not the falling animation).

Q:What characters get knocked down by foxes shine? (whilst standing without any added input)

 

[_KuyaSombreo_]

Fox, Jiggs?, some others.... I dont really know

Q. Where did the term "shine" come from?

 

[TresChikon]

Q. How many different types of invincibility are there?

Q. From which character did the "Ken Combo" originally come from?

Q. How many frames does Melee's buffering system buffer for?

Q. Can you interrupt Ganondorf's u-tilt? (As in Marth's d-tilt interruptible)

Q. Who has the shortest landing animation?

Q. Is Doc's F-smash disjointed?

Q. How gay is Marth?

Q. What usually causes the "invisible ceiling glitch?"

Q. Is Falco's shinegrab on your shield escapable (without DI)?

Q. How many possible angles exist for an airdodge?

Q. Where is the sweetspot for a Falcon Punch?

 

[`DNS`]

Q:What characters get knocked down by foxes shine? (whilst standing without any added input)

fox falco puff roy m2 ylink pichu pikachu (in PAL, marth)

Q. Where did the term "shine" come from?

i'd say because it's shiny

Q. How many different types of invincibility are there?

Q. From which character did the "Ken Combo" originally come from?
i heard falcon in 64

Q. How many frames does Melee's buffering system buffer for?
1?
Q. Can you interrupt Ganondorf's u-tilt?
of course
Q. Who has the shortest landing animation?
i'd say puff.. but i'm probably wrong
Q. Is Doc's F-smash disjointed?
hell naw
Q. How gay is Marth?
SO gay
Q. What usually causes the "invisible ceiling glitch?"
being hit during an attack that just hit the guy that's just hitting you before it's done.. i think
Q. Is Falco's shinegrab inescapable if the shine lands and is done frame perfectly?
no i think they have like 8 frames to escape
Q. How many possible angles exist for an airdodge?
24
Q. Where is the sweetspot for a Falcon Punch?
i didn't think there was one..

Q: How good is Isai??

 

[TresChikon]

Q. Is Doc's F-smash disjointed?

Lol, it is.

Anyone think they can get a perfect score on mine?

DNS missed 6

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

I only know the answer to the shine-grab one lol

too haaaaaard!

 

[TresChikon]

There is a sweetspot on Falcon Punch. think HRC.

 

[Pi]

Q. How many different types of invincibility are there?
3?

Q. From which character did the "Ken Combo" originally come from?
cfalc in 64?

Q. How many frames does Melee's buffering system buffer for?
1? but you can buffer a downthrow with C stick iirc

Q. Can you interrupt Ganondorf's u-tilt?
ganondorf can't interupt it himself i think

Q. Who has the shortest landing animation?
probably fox but idk

Q. Is Doc's F-smash disjointed?
nope, poor guy

Q. How gay is Marth?
this gay:

Q. What usually causes the "invisible ceiling glitch?"
a powershield or a counter

Q. Is Falco's shinegrab on your shield escapable (without DI)?
maybe? if I do this right;
Reflector

Total: 39 (or more)
Hits: 1
Invincible: 1
Reflects: 4-21 or release+1
Jump cancelable whenever it reflects
Lag upon release: 19

Shield stun: 9

Jump: airborne on frame 6

Grab

Total: 30
Grab: 7-8

Frames:actions
1- hits shield, in shine for 4 frames, in shield stun for 9 frames
2- in shine for 3 frames, in shield stun for 8
3- in shine for 2 frames, in shield stun for 7
4- in shine for 1 frame, in shield stun for 6
5- in jump animation for 6, in shield stun for 5
6- in jump animation for 5, in shield stun for 4
7- in jump animation for 4, in shield stun for 3
8- in jump animation for 3, in shield stun for 2
9- in jump animation for 2, in shield stun for 1
10- 7 frames until grab hits, free to move
11- 6 frames until grab hits, free to move
12- 5 frames until grab hits, free to move
13- 4 frames until grab hits, free to move
14- 3 frames until grab hits, free to move
15- 2 frames until grab hits, free to move
16- 1 frame until grab hits, free to move
17- grab

probably fudged up a couple of frames, but more or less 7 frames to avoid it i think?

credit: http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/Falco_frames_11.6.05.txt


Q. How many possible angles exist for an airdodge?
i wanna say either 360 or infinite

Q. Where is the sweetspot for a Falcon Punch?
his actual fist? idk lol
ah, i guess the back of it then

 

[`DNS`]

lol it doesn't look disjointed to me
i thought his hand was part of his hurtbox

edit:
i thought by ganon interrupting his utilt you meant while you were NOT ganon
it takes a **** long time to come out so while he's standing around with his **** in the air just hit him and it's interrupted

also if by falcon punch's sweetspot you meant to make them go backwards its on the arm? as close as the hitbox is to the body, lol

 

[Pi]

lol it doesn't look disjointed to me
i thought his hand was part of his hurtbox

yea, same
mario's is disjointed
doc's hurtbox is all up in that hitbox

 

[pockyD]

Q. How many different types of invincibility are there?

the type with hurtbox (and consequently, hitstun) (i.e. after respawn)

the type without hurtbox (during any sort of dodge)

does shielding count as a form of invincibility?

I'm under the impression that invincibility frames during a move, when grabbing the edge, etc fall under the first two categories, but maybe my categories are broader than what you're looking for

Q. How many frames does Melee's buffering system buffer for?

either 0 or infinite, depending on how you look at it; it's not a true buffer, it's just a continuous input iirc

Q. Can you interrupt Ganondorf's u-tilt? (As in Marth's d-tilt interruptible)

yes, I think you can trim a glorious 1 frame off IASA-wise

Q. Who has the shortest landing animation?

pichu

Q. Is Doc's F-smash disjointed?

i'm not sure if disjointed is well-defined; if you mean whether it has any part of a hitbox that doesn't overlap with his hurtbox, i think so, but then a lot of moves have that

Q. Is Falco's shinegrab on your shield escapable (without DI)?

sure, why not

 

[`DNS`]

oh i didn't answer the first one.. idk exactly what you mean by 'types of invincibility'
like airdodge, rolldodge, sidestep, grab ledge, get up from ledge(all ways except ledgehop), respawn invincibility.. are all the same or not that's a big difference

 

[TresChikon]

ANSWERS!!!


1. pockyD got it right, there's only two.

One is non-hitbox like through an airdodge or spotdodge and the other is one with a hitbox invincibility

2. Everyone's a Ken fanboy for knowing this. It is CF.

3. pockyD is right. also, it can be infinite if you count the psuedo c-stick rolling buffer as a buffer

4. Ganon's utilt indeed has IASA frames.

5. Pichu with 2 frames of lag

6. pockyD is right, disjointed is subjective, so i was being unclear, so everyone gets credit! yay!

7. freebie lol

8. the glitch usually occurs after your attack is blocked, (i.e. PS or counter.)

9. Falco has complete frame advantage and is safe, but Falco's grab sux, so no worries.

10. 24

11. his shoulder, which is why in HRC they hit the bag with the shoulder instead of anywhere else. (I believe the same applies to Ganon, i'm not sure.

 

[pockyD]

9. Falco has complete frame advantage and is safe, but Falco's grab sux, so no worries.

are you sure about this? can you refute the frame-work given above?

10. 24

I have no real idea, but I'm inclined to believe that since you can spotdodge "in place", it has to be an odd number

 

[EPsilon933]

Q:What characters get knocked down by foxes shine? (whilst standing without any added input)

PAL Marth
Young Link
Roy
Mewtwo
Falco
Pikachu
Fox
Kirby
Jigglypuff
Mr. Game & Watch
Pichu

 

[TresChikon]

9. My apologies, I've made a horrible mistake, shinegrab is only safe from getting SGed, stuff like shine OoS and spotdodge can still get out of it. Sorry for the misinformation.

1 Shine, Hitlag
2 Hitlag
3 Hitlag
4 Hitlag
5 Hitlag
6
7
8 Start Jump
9 Start JC grab
10
11
12
13
14
15 Opponent gets grabbed

10. Wow i didn't think of that. There are two directions for every side of the shape and one per corner, so that adds up to 24, but I never thought of a non direction.

Axe should compile all of these questions together once he shuffles through all of the other stuff.

 

[`DNS`]

edit: forgot about g&w and kirby
lol bottom tier

 

[CaptainEvilStomper9]

I don't think air dodging in place is air dodging in a angle.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

9. My apologies, I've made a horrible mistake, shinegrab is only safe from getting SGed, stuff like shine OoS and spotdodge can still get out of it. Sorry for the misinformation.

1 Shine, Hitlag
2 Hitlag
3 Hitlag
4 Hitlag
5 Hitlag
6
7
8 Start Jump
9 Start JC grab
10
11
12
13
14
15 Opponent gets grabbed

10. Wow i didn't think of that. There are two directions for every side of the shape and one per corner, so that adds up to 24, but I never thought of a non direction.

Axe should compile all of these questions together once he shuffles through all of the other stuff.

How many frames of shield lag does shine inflict on an opponent? What about Falco's dair?
Does fox's shine inflict the same amount of shield lag?

 

[TresChikon]

spotdodge isn't an airdodge
also there's one for each vertex and 2 in between each.. 8+2*8=24

Most likely meant an airdodge without direction, I got the point though.

I like your explanation of the angles more, mine sounds dumb.

 

[Pi]

How many frames of shield lag does shine inflict on an opponent? What about Falco's dair?
Does fox's shine inflict the same amount of shield lag?

Check this site:
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/frames.html

Falco:
Reflector

Total: 39 (or more)
Hits: 1
Invincible: 1
Reflects: 4-21 or release+1
Jump cancelable whenever it reflects
Lag upon release: 19

Shield stun: 9
(shield) hit lag: 4
Reflection lag: 19


Fox:
Reflector

Total: 39 (or more)
Hits: 1
Reflects: 4-21 or release+1
Jump cancelable whenever it reflects
Lag upon release: 19

(Shield) Hit lag: 3
Shield stun: 7
Jump advantage: +2

Reflection lag: 19

Stun time for each character. The
second number is if they "land". It
happens always from an aerial
reflector, and sometimes from a land
one if it hits their back.

Captain Falcon: 33...9
Donkey Kong: 33..10
Fox: falls
Kirby: falls
Game and Watch: falls
Bowser: 32..11
Link: 33...9
Luigi: 34...11-9 (much likelier)
Mario: 34...9
Marth: 35...9
Mewtwo: falls
Ness: 34...9
Peach: 35...9


If you Reflector the 1st frame in the
air from a jump, you will fall enough
to jump cancel from the ground on
frame 6. So a cycle could take as
little as 8 frames.



Also I forgot to factor in hitlag
which I assume adds on to the move's duration?
if so you get 4 more frames than I got, but I also think I messed up on 1 frame so you have like 10 frames to react before he grabs ya.

 

[AceDudeyeah]

I totally forgot super doodle man had shield stun frames on some characters. Not marth though

 

[Nø Ca$h]

there are 5 spikes in the game (moves that send you downward without you being able to metoer cancel). what are they?

actually theres 6

1.marths dair
2.falcon nipple dair
3.ganon down b
4.falco dair
5.roy upsmash
6.roy downsmash

 

[TresChikon]

His D-smash? I've never heard of that.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

i pretty sure its legit cuz it cant be ledge teched. its rly hard to do tho and its more pointless then his up smash spike

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

how do you do either of those?

 

[X1-12]

actually theres 6

1.marths dair
2.falcon nipple dair
3.ganon down b
4.falco dair
5.roy upsmash
6.roy downsmash

marth's D-air is only a spike in NTSC to be fair and also i'm having trouble getting roy d-smash to spike (maybe its the PAL version again?)

 

[X1-12]

ANSWERS!!!



11. his shoulder, which is why in HRC they hit the bag with the shoulder instead of anywhere else. (I believe the same applies to Ganon, i'm not sure.

actually i'm pretty sure ganon's is the very top corner furthest from his body

Q:What characters get knocked down by foxes shine? (whilst standing without any added input)

any character who is charging a smash when shined (by fox) will fall down (says magus(well actually he said a marth would and i think it applies to everyone))


EDIT: ah crap double post i forgot sorry

 

[Strong Badam]

Q. How many different types of invincibility are there?
technically, two. one that causes hitlag (respawn, starman) and one that just makes you impossible to hit (shine invincibility frames, spotdodges, etc.)
Q. From which character did the "Ken Combo" originally come from?
falcon
Q. How many frames does Melee's buffering system buffer for?
0
Q. Can you interrupt Ganondorf's u-tilt? (As in Marth's d-tilt interruptible)
no.
Q. Who has the shortest landing animation?
pichu has a landing animation of 2 frames iirc.
Q. Is Doc's F-smash disjointed?
lol this question's stupid because disjointedness is indeterminable. the hitbox is ridiculously small though. do you mean not connected to doc's hurtbox? it's not...
Q. How gay is Marth?
really
Q. What usually causes the "invisible ceiling glitch?"
idk, this question is dumb.
Q. Is Falco's shinegrab on your shield escapable (without DI)?
yup. buffer roll.
Q. How many possible angles exist for an airdodge?
24?
Q. Where is the sweetspot for a Falcon Punch?
the reverse pawnch is like /right/ behind falcon, kinda like his shoulder. otherwise it doesn't really matter.


@ whoever was asking how samus can lose a full charge shot, if she's hit during her up-b she loses it. idk if it applies to her bombs or missiles though. same with Donkey Kong.

as far as shines go, characters with a lower weight than Marth all get knocked down. pichu, pikachu, roy, fox, falco, jigglypuff, mewtwo, young link, game&watch, kirby... all i can think of at the moment.

edit: oh, someone posted the answers earlier. nvm

 

[Wobbles]

How many characters in the game have multiple taunts?

Which character has the most meteor smashes?

Name at least three moves that have zero knockback (phantom hits don't count).

How many stages have alternate music selections?

Which stages have alternate music selections?

How long does it take to take complete one cycle of Rainbow Cruise?

How long does it take Randall to complete a full circuit around Yoshi's Story?

How many different forms can Kirby take when using his down+b?

How many moves in this game give an opponent his double-jump back?

 

[TresChikon]

i pretty sure its legit cuz it cant be ledge teched. its rly hard to do tho and its more pointless then his up smash spike

But Marth's dair can be ledgeteched and its a spike.

How many characters in the game have multiple taunts?

1

Which character has the most meteor smashes?

DK

Name at least three moves that have zero knockback (phantom hits don't count).

Doc's down b, his cape, and fox's lasers (pummels? you don't go anywhere lol.)

How many moves in this game give an opponent his double-jump back?

3?

 

[Pi]

ever pummel someone and have someone else jump into it?
knocks them around ;p

 

[`DNS`]

Does falco's laser have knockback? it doesn't hit them anywhere but it does interrupt them.. does that count?

 

[Strong Badam]

How many characters in the game have multiple taunts?
3.
Which character has the most meteor smashes?
monkey strong
Name at least three moves that have zero knockback (phantom hits don't count).
pew pew, mewtwo's down-b, doc's cape, mario's cape....
How many stages have alternate music selections?
8 iirc
Which stages have alternate music selections?
fd, battlefield, jungle japes, hyrule..... i don't remember. this is a dumb question.
How long does it take to take complete one cycle of Rainbow Cruise?
roughly 3 minutes iirc. probably closer to 2 mins 45 seconds.
How long does it take Randall to complete a full circuit around Yoshi's Story?
20 seoconds.
How many different forms can Kirby take when using his down+b?
3?
How many moves in this game give an opponent his double-jump back?
all grabs, falcon/ganon's up-bs, yoshi's egg lay, kirby's swallow,

falco's laser has hitstun and not knockback. idk if it counts, because otherwise many moves with a set knockback of like nothing (most jabs) would count. i don't think it counts if you can DI it.