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So yesterday, my partner (a Falco main, Fox secondary) wanted to get back into Marth, who he'd stopped playing for a long time. I decided to take advantage of it, and get some good Marth training for my Puff (although I'm actually a Sheik main >.>). I frequently would study this thread because, well, I only know how to fight Heavies. So, the Marth matchup helped me a little bit, but I was still gettin hurt.
I had added Mang0 to AIM, because mainly I wanted to have an outlet of questions if I needed more information than in the thread. Also, I didn't understand the full extent of Uair. As Mang0 said in a few posts ago, he's been gone a while. But I saw him on AIM today, and caught him training his friend at Puff. I decided to ask him some stuff about Uair's hitbox and uses on Marth. He wasn't quite sure what I was goin on about when I mentioned using the back side of uair as an offensive. But we moved on to his Battlefield match against M2K's Marth. I only expected a few hints and tips along with the hitbox information, but Mango actually took about a solid half hour walking me through the match, frequently stopping to show me why he did some things in the fight, what not to do that he did, and overall it was a very helpful conversation.
So some headliners of the matchup:
The hitbox of the uair can be seen by her tiny little hand, and it's arc, OR (facing the other way) her cute little hairpuff. I'd learn the very start of the uair arc, because Mang0 talks to me about poking Marth's head out of his shield.
ONLY EDGEGUARD MARTH WITH FAIRS. It stays out longer, and has a chance of pokin em a little longer if they air dodge. Bair only'll hit em once.
If Marth is close to ya sittin there with his shield, try fairing through behind him, and poking his head (which should be slightly out of his sheild) with an Uair. Mmmm. Rapin time. This can also work without him shielding, but we talked more about the other way.
IF he's spaced and you won't get through his sheild, DON'T DO ANYTHING. Do not try and poke attacks in on him. It -will- suck. Like the matchup says, PATIENCE. In fact, if you ever catch him sittin with a shield up, just don't do anything.
Defensively, if they hit your shield with any move that isn't spaced, jump out and Nair. Unless you think you can land a MangoRape at low %, just nair. High %, don't try resting, not worth it at that point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajY0BnPq-Fw&feature=related Was the video we watched. You'll see some attempts of the headpoke. All in all, good video to see for the Puffs who lack Marth experience.
This is just something I'm throwing in, but if you lack Marth experience this is pretty important. Marth can dthrow you behind him, and get an easy tip if you were DIing in front of him. So far, DIing behind him from almost every grab has worked pretty well.
I can't really recall a lot of other things that could be translated into the thread, because a lot of it was in small increments of the video, just a "You see how he's coming above me? Get that Uair in quick." type of thing. Most of his teaching today was about seeing the opportunity to do something, and knowing when to back teh fook off.
CONCLUSION: Mang0 is a nice dude, and true to the thread, he's always willing to help out another Puff. If you still need help with a matchup, I wouldn't hesitate to see if he's available.
P.S.: Yes, run up and sheild. And always dthrow (unless it's obvious that you should fthrow)
